Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 30 November 2013 01:25, Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote: > I know that Anatoly himself is a subject of long history here, but I myself > have felt lessening affinity to the dev community in recent years. It feels > like > it is increasingly shutting itself in. Are you sure it isn't just that th

Re: [Python-Dev] Track ResourceWarning warnings with tracemalloc

2013-11-29 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 29 November 2013 22:12, Victor Stinner wrote: > You can see that the socket was created by test_poplib at line 407 > TestPOP3_TLSClass.setUp). It's more useful than the previous warning > :-) Excellent! I was hoping tracemalloc would make it practical to track some of those down :) Cheers, Ni

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 03:25:14PM +, Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote about the PEP process: > > > How about acknowledging that these waters are dark and murky and help > > > making things better? > > > > Well, how about? If Anatoly has a concrete proposal, surely he can propose a > > patch to

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 29.11.2013 16:25, Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote: >>> How about acknowledging that these waters are dark and murky and help >>> making things better? >> >> Well, how about? If Anatoly has a concrete proposal, surely he can propose a >> patch to make things better. > > Which is what he did. And i

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Kristján Valur Jónsson < krist...@ccpgames.com> wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Python-Dev [mailto:python-dev- > > bounces+kristjan=ccpgames@python.org] On Behalf Of Antoine Pitrou > > Sent: 29. nóvember 2013 14:58 > > To: python-dev@python

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 29.11.2013 10:16, schrieb Kristján Valur Jónsson: > Reading the defect, I find people being unnecessarily obstructive. > > Closing the ticket, twice, is a rude, and unnecessary action. How about > acknowledging that these waters are dark and murky and help making things > better? > > Surely

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 29/11/2013 15:25, Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote: I know that Anatoly himself is a subject of long history here, but I myself have felt lessening affinity to the dev community in recent years. It feels like it is increasingly shutting itself in. I entirely agree, the development community

[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2013-11-29 Thread Python tracker
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Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:25:14 + Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: Python-Dev [mailto:python-dev- > > bounces+kristjan=ccpgames@python.org] On Behalf Of Antoine Pitrou > > Sent: 29. nóvember 2013 14:58 > > To: python-dev@python.org > > Subject: Re: [Py

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Kristján Valur Jónsson
> -Original Message- > From: Python-Dev [mailto:python-dev- > bounces+kristjan=ccpgames@python.org] On Behalf Of Antoine Pitrou > Sent: 29. nóvember 2013 14:58 > To: python-dev@python.org > Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives > > On Fri, 29 Nov

Re: [Python-Dev] Track ResourceWarning warnings with tracemalloc

2013-11-29 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
29.11.13 14:12, Victor Stinner написав(ла): You can see that the socket was created by test_poplib at line 407 TestPOP3_TLSClass.setUp). It's more useful than the previous warning :-) Great! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 09:16:38 + Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote: > Closing the ticket, twice, is a rude, and unnecessary action. Closing the ticket means "we don't believe there is an issue, or we don't think it would be reasonable to fix it". If that's our judgement on the issue, how is it rude

[Python-Dev] Track ResourceWarning warnings with tracemalloc

2013-11-29 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, I'm trying to write an example of usage of the new tracemalloc.get_object_traceback() function. Last month I proposed to use it to give the traceback where a file/socket was allocated on ResourceWarning: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2013-October/129923.html I found a worki

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:08 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote: > About ill fated initiatives. I don't like when people prematurely close > tickets > without waiting for the mutual agreement that the problem is solved. Perhaps > trackers should have personal "agree/disagree/meh" flags to help other >

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Anatoly, the Python community is a lot more diverse than you think. "Pull > requests" (whatever that means) are not the way to start a PEP. You should > start by focusing on the contents, and the mechanics of editing it and > getting it fo

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Kristján Valur Jónsson
Reading the defect, I find people being unnecessarily obstructive. Closing the ticket, twice, is a rude, and unnecessary action. How about acknowledging that these waters are dark and murky and help making things better? Surely, documenting processes can only be an improvement? A lot has changed