Re: [Python-Dev] Hash collision security issue (now public)

2011-12-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 19:51, Alex Gaynor wrote: > A few thoughts on this: > > a) This is not a new issue, I'm curious what the new interest is in it. Well they (the presenters of the report) had to be accepted to that conference for *something*, otherwise we wouldn't know they exist. __

Re: [Python-Dev] Hash collision security issue (now public)

2011-12-28 Thread Christian Heimes
Am 29.12.2011 03:09, schrieb Raymond Hettinger: > FWIW, Uncle Timmy considers the non-randomized hashes to be a virtue. > It is believed that they give us better-than-random results for commonly > encountered datasets. A change to randomized hashes would have a > negative performance impact on tho

Re: [Python-Dev] Hash collision security issue (now public)

2011-12-28 Thread Christian Heimes
Am 29.12.2011 02:37, schrieb Jesse Noller: > Back up link for the PDF: > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1374/2007_28C3_Effective_DoS_on_web_application_platforms.pdf > > Ocert disclosure: > http://www.ocert.org/advisories/ocert-2011-003.html >From http://www.nruns.com/_downloads/advisory28122011.pdf --

Re: [Python-Dev] Hash collision security issue (now public)

2011-12-28 Thread Raymond Hettinger
FWIW, Uncle Timmy considers the non-randomized hashes to be a virtue. It is believed that they give us better-than-random results for commonly encountered datasets. A change to randomized hashes would have a negative performance impact on those cases. Also, randomizing the hash wreaks havoc on do

Re: [Python-Dev] Hash collision security issue (now public)

2011-12-28 Thread Alex Gaynor
A few thoughts on this: a) This is not a new issue, I'm curious what the new interest is in it. b) Whatever the solution to this is, it is *not* CPython specific, any decision should be reflected in the Python language spec IMO, if CPython has the semantic that dicts aren't vulnerable to hash col

Re: [Python-Dev] Hash collision security issue (now public)

2011-12-28 Thread Eric Snow
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > Hello all, > > A paper (well, presentation) has been published highlighting security > problems with the hashing algorithm (exploiting collisions) in many > programming languages Python included: > >         > http://events.ccc.de/congress

Re: [Python-Dev] Hash collision security issue (now public)

2011-12-28 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wednesday, December 28, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Jesse Noller wrote: > > > On Wednesday, December 28, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > A paper (well, presentation) has been published highlighting security > > problems with the hashing algorithm (exploiting colli

Re: [Python-Dev] Hash collision security issue (now public)

2011-12-28 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wednesday, December 28, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > Hello all, > > A paper (well, presentation) has been published highlighting security > problems with the hashing algorithm (exploiting collisions) in many > programming languages Python included: > > http://events.ccc.de/co

[Python-Dev] Hash collision security issue (now public)

2011-12-28 Thread Michael Foord
Hello all, A paper (well, presentation) has been published highlighting security problems with the hashing algorithm (exploiting collisions) in many programming languages Python included: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2011/Fahrplan/attachments/2007_28C3_Effective_DoS_on_web_applicatio