On Mar 2, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Kerrick Staley wrote:
> As an aside, this whole thing started when I tried installing ROS, only to
> find that it made assumptions about /usr/bin/python, which points to python3
> on my Arch Linux system.
Yep, exactly that kind of problem is why I think it's an absolu
The point is that there never has to be an agreement about the python
command, as long as all distros support python2/python3 and all scripts use
it (I think that the distinction should continue to be made if/when python2
becomes uncommon, otherwise we'll hit the same issue with python4). We don't
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:00 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
> Am 02.03.2011 23:36, schrieb Jérôme Radix:
>> No, I don't do it now. But taking like granted the fact that 2.x python
>> will be dead in 5 years and that /usr/bin/python will point to python3
>> is, imho, a little too optimistic.
>
> I don
On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 16:20 +0100, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
> [Allan McRae, 2011-03-02]
> > Having made the packages using python-2.x code from an entire
> > distribution point at /usr/bin/python2, I have a fair idea of how much
> > work is involved...
>
> * is every Arch package that uses Pytho
Am 02.03.2011 23:36, schrieb Jérôme Radix:
> No, I don't do it now. But taking like granted the fact that 2.x python
> will be dead in 5 years and that /usr/bin/python will point to python3
> is, imho, a little too optimistic.
I don't think Steven said, or assumed, a scope of 5 years - more like
a
No, I don't do it now. But taking like granted the fact that 2.x python will
be dead in 5 years and that /usr/bin/python will point to python3 is, imho,
a little too optimistic. Thus, as time passes, python scripts will have to
guess if they are running through python3 or python2 because the two wi
On Mar 2, 2011, at 5:04 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
> Am 02.03.2011 20:49, schrieb James Y Knight:
>> On Mar 2, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>>> I don't have a problem with adding such a symlink, and I think it
>>> should be done by Informational PEP, not Standards Track PEP.
>>> Since t
Am 02.03.2011 20:49, schrieb James Y Knight:
> On Mar 2, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>> I don't have a problem with adding such a symlink, and I think it
>> should be done by Informational PEP, not Standards Track PEP.
>> Since there will be no Python 2.8, our own build system shouldn't
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Jérôme Radix wrote:
Hello,
Defensive programming will force you to do things like :
import sys
if sys.version[0] == '2':
Really? Do you already do this?
if sys.version < '2.2':
result = apply(func, arguments)
else:
result = func(*arguments)
And if so, have
On Mar 02, 2011, at 02:49 PM, James Y Knight wrote:
>On Mar 2, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>> I don't have a problem with adding such a symlink, and I think it should be
>> done by Informational PEP, not Standards Track PEP. Since there will be no
>> Python 2.8, our own build system sh
James Y Knight wrote:
I suspect he's saying it'd be better if the time didn't come (if so,
I'd agree). Python3 *is* unfortunately a new and incompatible
programming language, it makes sense for it to have it have its own
interpreter name.
Oh come on, there's like three incompatibilities vers
On Mar 2, 2011, at 11:42 AM, R. David Murray wrote:
> Well, I personally won't use a distribution that makes this choice.
> For whatever that's worth :)
This ***shouldn't*** be a choice distros have to make. There should be a
standard upstream recommended way to install python, and that's also wh
On Mar 2, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> I don't have a problem with adding such a symlink, and I think it should be
> done by Informational PEP, not Standards Track PEP. Since there will be no
> Python 2.8, our own build system shouldn't ever be changed to add such a link,
> but we can
Jérôme Radix wrote:
Hello,
Defensive programming will force you to do things like :
import sys
if sys.version[0] == '2':
Really? Do you already do this?
if sys.version < '2.2':
result = apply(func, arguments)
else:
result = func(*arguments)
And if so, have you tested it in Python
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:56 AM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
> [Sandro Tosi, 2011-03-02]
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:01, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
>> > I co-maintain with Matthias a package that provides /usr/bin/python
>> > symlink in Debian and I can confirm that it will always point to Python
>> > 2.X
On Mar 02, 2011, at 03:29 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
>[Allan McRae, 2011-03-02]
>> But is that not the whole point of adding the /usr/bin/python2 symlink.
>> That way a developer can explicitly use a /usr/bin/python2 or
>> /usr/bin/python3 shebang and have it portable everywhere. At the momen
On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 10:13:59 -0500, James Y Knight wrote:
> On Mar 2, 2011, at 9:54 AM, Allan McRae wrote:
> > That way in ?? years when python-3.x is "the" python and python-2.x
> > is obsolete, and it is decided that /usr/bin/python will be
> > python-3.x (which I believe is the only logical out
On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 13:10:04 +, Mark Smith
wrote:
> The following is going to sound bitter...
>
> I was fired with enthusiasm for working on Python after the sprints at
> EuroPython last year. I submitted 3 (I think) patches for pulldom - a test
> suite (it has 0% code coverage at present),
/tangent
Does this discussion remind anyone else of the bash/dash switch for
/usr/bin/sh in Ubuntu?
The distro itself coped fine, but 3rd party shell scripts that used
bash extensions were a whole different story.
(No, I'm not sure what lessons, if any, we can draw from that. It just
struck me a
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> I know there's a patch that has been sitting on the tracker for ages
> that gave the mimetools module some love
s/mimetools/mimetypes/
Cheers,
Nick.
--
Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:10 PM, Mark Smith
wrote:
> The following is going to sound bitter...
> I was fired with enthusiasm for working on Python after the sprints at
> EuroPython last year. I submitted 3 (I think) patches for pulldom - a test
> suite (it has 0% code coverage at present), documen
It seems that there are two kinds of developers (ok, it's over-generalized)
:
1- the ones that have a problem with python and file bugs into the issue
trackers : they don't try to search for solutions, they want core-developers
to check and correct their bugs. The motivation for these developers a
[Allan McRae, 2011-03-02]
> Having made the packages using python-2.x code from an entire
> distribution point at /usr/bin/python2, I have a fair idea of how much
> work is involved...
* is every Arch package that uses Python 2.X already working with
/usr/bin/python and why not? ;-)
* how ma
On Mar 2, 2011, at 9:54 AM, Allan McRae wrote:
> That way in ?? years when python-3.x is "the" python and python-2.x is
> obsolete, and it is decided that /usr/bin/python will be python-3.x (which I
> believe is the only logical outcome),
But that's not the only logical outcome. A perfectly log
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Jesse Noller wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:43:27 -0800
>> Guido van Rossum wrote:
>>>
>>> But I wouldn't be surprised if some people had regrets about the way
>>> the community works (I can recall at least
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:43:27 -0800
> Guido van Rossum wrote:
>>
>> But I wouldn't be surprised if some people had regrets about the way
>> the community works (I can recall at least one such case) and it would
>> be useful to learn from those
On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 13:08 +0100, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 19:25:00 -0800
> Westley Martínez wrote:
> >
> > If I got a message like that in my mailbox I would be rather annoyed,
> > mark it as spam, and be less likely to contribute again.
>
> Yes, I think that's a
On 03/03/11 00:29, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
[Allan McRae, 2011-03-02]
But is that not the whole point of adding the /usr/bin/python2 symlink.
That way a developer can explicitly use a /usr/bin/python2 or
/usr/bin/python3 shebang and have it portable everywhere. At the moment,
Debian seems to be t
[Allan McRae, 2011-03-02]
> But is that not the whole point of adding the /usr/bin/python2 symlink.
> That way a developer can explicitly use a /usr/bin/python2 or
> /usr/bin/python3 shebang and have it portable everywhere. At the moment,
> Debian seems to be the major hold-up on that actuall
On 02/03/2011 14:04, James Y Knight wrote:
On Mar 2, 2011, at 8:23 AM, Sandro Tosi wrote:
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 13:56, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
[Sandro Tosi, 2011-03-02]
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:01, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
I co-maintain with Matthias a package that provides /usr/bin/python
On 03/03/11 00:03, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
[Sandro Tosi, 2011-03-02]
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 13:56, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
[Sandro Tosi, 2011-03-02]
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:01, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
I co-maintain with Matthias a package that provides /usr/bin/python
symlink in Debian and I
Hello,
Defensive programming will force you to do things like :
import sys
if sys.version[0] == '2':
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On Mar 2, 2011, at 8:23 AM, Sandro Tosi wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 13:56, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
>> [Sandro Tosi, 2011-03-02]
>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:01, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
I co-maintain with Matthias a package that provides /usr/bin/python
symlink in Debian and I can c
[Sandro Tosi, 2011-03-02]
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 13:56, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
> > [Sandro Tosi, 2011-03-02]
> >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:01, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
> >> > I co-maintain with Matthias a package that provides /usr/bin/python
> >> > symlink in Debian and I can confirm that it wi
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>> A remark: Having all clones created under a dedicated namespace (say
>> sandbox) could make the hg.python.org listing clearer, since all user
>> clones would be grouped.
>
> Sure, we can change the enforced convention depending on the majori
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 13:56, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
> [Sandro Tosi, 2011-03-02]
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:01, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
>> > I co-maintain with Matthias a package that provides /usr/bin/python
>> > symlink in Debian and I can confirm that it will always point to Python
>> > 2.X.
The following is going to sound bitter...
I was fired with enthusiasm for working on Python after the sprints at
EuroPython last year. I submitted 3 (I think) patches for pulldom - a test
suite (it has 0% code coverage at present), documentation for the module
(there isn't any at present), and a p
On 2 March 2011 12:07, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> But I wonder if there are other social or technical factors, such as
> the community being too intimidating or not welcoming enough.
>
> Actually, if some python-dev readers have something to say about that,
> they are welcome :)
>From a personal POV
[Sandro Tosi, 2011-03-02]
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:01, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
> > I co-maintain with Matthias a package that provides /usr/bin/python
> > symlink in Debian and I can confirm that it will always point to Python
> > 2.X. We also do not plan to add /usr/bin/python2 symlink (and I g
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>
> Will Mercurial make things more attractive?
>
Definitely yes! I welcome upcoming migration.
>> And, of course, very long lifecycle of the most issues greatly reduces
>> enthusisasm.
>
> True. I believe we are improving that, but perhaps th
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:01, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
> I co-maintain with Matthias a package that provides /usr/bin/python
> symlink in Debian and I can confirm that it will always point to Python
> 2.X. We also do not plan to add /usr/bin/python2 symlink (and I guess
> only accepted PEP can chang
On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 14:29:18 +0200
Andrew Svetlov wrote:
> SVN is very bad instrument to contribute or follow an issue patches.
Will Mercurial make things more attractive?
> And, of course, very long lifecycle of the most issues greatly reduces
> enthusisasm.
True. I believe we are improving th
SVN is very bad instrument to contribute or follow an issue patches.
And, of course, very long lifecycle of the most issues greatly reduces
enthusisasm.
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 19:25:00 -0800
> Westley Martínez wrote:
>>
>> If I go
Hello,
On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 19:25:00 -0800
Westley Martínez wrote:
>
> If I got a message like that in my mailbox I would be rather annoyed,
> mark it as spam, and be less likely to contribute again.
Yes, I think that's a risk. Do you think of a wording that could
alleviate such perception?
Th
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:43:27 -0800
Guido van Rossum wrote:
>
> But I wouldn't be surprised if some people had regrets about the way
> the community works (I can recall at least one such case) and it would
> be useful to learn from those occasions, if they'll let us. And the
> numbers might tell us
On 01/03/2011 21:19, Kerrick Staley wrote:
Hello,
There is a need for the default Python2 install to place a symlink at
/usr/bin/python2 that points to /usr/bin/python, or for the
documentation to recommend that packagers ensure that python2 is
defined. Also, all documentation should be change
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 23:03:50 +0100
brett.cannon wrote:
> +
> +if sys.platform == 'win32':
> +print("See the devguide's Getting Set Up guide for building under
> Windows")
Actually, you can also build from the command line under Windows:
using Tools/buildbot/build.bat or Tools/buildbot/build-
-On [20110302 01:17], "Martin v. Löwis" (mar...@v.loewis.de) wrote:
>Matthias Klose represents Debian, Dave Malcolm represents Redhat,
>and Dirkjan Ochtman represents Gentoo.
With FreeBSD's ports if you install a Python port it will install a
pythonX.Y in /usr/local/bin,
["Martin v. Löwis", 2011-03-02]
> > I think a PEP would help, but in this case I would request that before
> > the PEP gets written (it can be a really short one!) somebody actually
> > go out and get consensus from a number of important distros. Besides
> > Barry, do we have any representatives of
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