Re: [Python-Dev] Patch making the current email package (mostly) support bytes

2010-10-07 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
l...@rmi.net writes: > To put that more strongly, the Python user base is much larger than > this list's readership. Agreed. Nevertheless, this is the channel (not "channel") that the developers listen on, and substantial effort is made to let Python users know that. I think they do know it,

Re: [Python-Dev] Patch making the current email package (mostly) support bytes

2010-10-07 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
R. David Murray writes: > > The MIME-charset = UNKNOWN dodge might be a better way of handling > > this. > > That is a very interesting idea. It is the *right* thing to do, since it > would mean that a message parsed as bytes could be generated via Generator > and passed to, say, smtplib w

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org going down?

2010-10-07 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/07/2010 07:42 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> FWIW, PyPI was inaccessible for some longish period of time this morning. > > That I can confirm (assuming you are talking about the UTC night). > However, it stopped around 5:00 UTC, so it's clearly

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org going down?

2010-10-07 Thread geremy condra
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:17 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >>> >>> Nothing on python.org suggests that this has actually happened. Could >>> it be that the issue is on your end? >> >> It's possible, but I was first notified that it was happening by >> someone literally 3000 miles away. It seems unli

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org going down?

2010-10-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> FWIW, PyPI was inaccessible for some longish period of time this morning. That I can confirm (assuming you are talking about the UTC night). However, it stopped around 5:00 UTC, so it's clearly unrelated to anything that happened reportedly 2 hours ago. Regards, Martin _

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org going down?

2010-10-07 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/07/2010 07:17 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >>> >>> Nothing on python.org suggests that this has actually happened. Could >>> it be that the issue is on your end? >> >> It's possible, but I was first notified that it was happening by >> someone li

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org going down?

2010-10-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> >> Nothing on python.org suggests that this has actually happened. Could >> it be that the issue is on your end? > > It's possible, but I was first notified that it was happening by > someone literally 3000 miles away. It seems unlikely that we would > both have had the same problem at the same

Re: [Python-Dev] python-2.6.6 coredump running newspipe

2010-10-07 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 15:53, Thomas Klausner wrote: > On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 11:15:27AM -0700, Brett Cannon wrote: >> It's best to report issues at bugs.python.org. > > Are different people reading it there? Yes, but we also just don't accept bug reports here as they just get lost in mailing li

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org going down?

2010-10-07 Thread geremy condra
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:52 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > Am 08.10.2010 00:00, schrieb geremy condra: >> Seems like python.org has gone down and come back up a couple of times >> in the last few minutes, is this intentional? > > Nothing on python.org suggests that this has actually happened. Coul

Re: [Python-Dev] python-2.6.6 coredump running newspipe

2010-10-07 Thread Thomas Klausner
On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 11:15:27AM -0700, Brett Cannon wrote: > It's best to report issues at bugs.python.org. Are different people reading it there? Following your suggestion, I've created http://bugs.python.org/issue10047 Please let me know what kind of further details you need. I still have t

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org going down?

2010-10-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 08.10.2010 00:00, schrieb geremy condra: > Seems like python.org has gone down and come back up a couple of times > in the last few minutes, is this intentional? Nothing on python.org suggests that this has actually happened. Could it be that the issue is on your end? Regards, Martin _

[Python-Dev] python.org going down?

2010-10-07 Thread geremy condra
Seems like python.org has gone down and come back up a couple of times in the last few minutes, is this intentional? Geremy Condra ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://m

Re: [Python-Dev] Rietveld integration into Roundup

2010-10-07 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le jeudi 07 octobre 2010 à 23:17 +0200, "Martin v. Löwis" a écrit : > > As I said, most patches are supposed to be produced against py3k HEAD, > > so you could try just that as the primary heuristic. > > I think this is impractical. There are tons of patches (the majority) > which are in the track

Re: [Python-Dev] Rietveld integration into Roundup

2010-10-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> As I said, most patches are supposed to be produced against py3k HEAD, > so you could try just that as the primary heuristic. I think this is impractical. There are tons of patches (the majority) which are in the tracker and *not* against py3k head. So this heuristics will only cover a small min

Re: [Python-Dev] Rietveld integration into Roundup

2010-10-07 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 23:04:54 +0200 "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > > However, if I get something like > > diff -r e981b6cc56b0 Include/longintrepr.h > --- a/Include/longintrepr.h Thu Oct 07 03:12:19 2010 +0200 > +++ b/Include/longintrepr.h Thu Oct 07 13:53:41 2010 +0200 > > I have no clue where

Re: [Python-Dev] Rietveld integration into Roundup

2010-10-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 04.10.2010 03:56, schrieb Daniel Stutzbach: > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 3:55 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" > wrote: > > I'll have to come up with a better way to determine the branch > which a patch was created on. > > > That would also be helpful for those of us usin

Re: [Python-Dev] Inconsistencies if locale and filesystem?encodings are different

2010-10-07 Thread Oleg Broytman
On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 09:12:13PM +0200, Victor Stinner wrote: > Le jeudi 07 octobre 2010 18:44:19, Oleg Broytman a ?crit : > >My filesystems are always koi8-r, but sometimes I work with programs in > > utf-8 locale. Just an example... > > Are programs able to display correctly non-ascii file

Re: [Python-Dev] Inconsistencies if locale and filesys tem encodings are different

2010-10-07 Thread Victor Stinner
Le jeudi 07 octobre 2010 18:35:09, M.-A. Lemburg a écrit : > Victor Stinner wrote: > > Hi, > > > > A PYTHONFSENCODING environment variable was added to Python 3.2: issue > > #8622. This variable introduces an inconstency because the filesystem > > and the locale encodings can now be different. > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Inconsistencies if locale and filesys tem encodings are different

2010-10-07 Thread Victor Stinner
Le jeudi 07 octobre 2010 18:44:19, Oleg Broytman a écrit : > On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 06:35:09PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > It is well possible that the two are different. Mac OS X is > > just one example. Another common example is having a Unix > > account using the C locale (=ASCII) while wor

Re: [Python-Dev] Patch making the current email package (mostly) support bytes

2010-10-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 07, 2010, at 04:40 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > And the email API currently promises not to raise during parsing, > > which is a contract my patch does not change. > >Which is a contract that has historically been broken frequently. >Unhandled UnicodeErrors have been one of the most c

Re: [Python-Dev] python-2.6.6 coredump running newspipe

2010-10-07 Thread Brett Cannon
It's best to report issues at bugs.python.org. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 05:17, Thomas Klausner wrote: > Hi! > > I'm running newspipe-1.1.9, an RSS reader > (http://newspipe.sourceforge.net/), on NetBSD-5.99.11/amd64 using > Python-2.6.6. > > Sometimes, it core dumps with particular feeds in the con

Re: [Python-Dev] Patch making the current email package (mostly) support bytes

2010-10-07 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:03:18 -, l...@rmi.net wrote: > I'm forwarding a link to the code of these clients to David by > private email in case they might be useful as a test case (O'Reilly > has already posted them ahead of the book, but they may be a bit too > heavy for use in formal testing).

Re: [Python-Dev] Inconsistencies if locale and filesystem encodings are different

2010-10-07 Thread Oleg Broytman
On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 06:35:09PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > It is well possible that the two are different. Mac OS X is > just one example. Another common example is having a Unix > account using the C locale (=ASCII) while working on a UTF-8 > file system. My filesystems are always koi8-r

Re: [Python-Dev] Inconsistencies if locale and filesystem encodings are different

2010-10-07 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi, > > A PYTHONFSENCODING environment variable was added to Python 3.2: issue #8622. > This variable introduces an inconstency because the filesystem and the locale > encodings can now be different. > > There are (at least) four issues related to this problem. We have 2

Re: [Python-Dev] Patch making the current email package (mostly) support bytes

2010-10-07 Thread lutz
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote (giving me an opening to jump in here): > R. David Murray writes: > > In other words, my proposed patch only makes email5 1/8 to 1/4 > > broken, instead of half broken as it is now. But not un-broken > > enough for Mailman, it sounds like. > > IMO, not in the long run. B

[Python-Dev] Inconsistencies if locale and filesystem encodings are different

2010-10-07 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, A PYTHONFSENCODING environment variable was added to Python 3.2: issue #8622. This variable introduces an inconstency because the filesystem and the locale encodings can now be different. There are (at least) four issues related to this problem. We have 2 choices to fix these issues: (a)

Re: [Python-Dev] Patch making the current email package (mostly) support bytes

2010-10-07 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:00:04 +0900, "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > R. David Murray writes: > > > > But that's not interesting; you did that with Python 3. We want to > > Of course I did it with Python3. It's the Python3 email codebase > > I'm working with (and have to work *around*). > > S

Re: [Python-Dev] opinions on issue2142 ('\ No newline at end of file' to difflib.unified_diff)?

2010-10-07 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 00:53, Trent Mick wrote: > 1. Change `difflib.unified_diff` to emit: > >    ['---  \n', '+++  \n', '@@ -1,3 +1,3 @@\n', ' one\n', ' two\n', > '-three\n', '\ No newline at end of file', '+trois\n', '\ No newline > at end of file'] > > instead of: > >    ['---  \n', '+++  \n',

Re: [Python-Dev] opinions on issue2142 ('\ No newline at end of file' to difflib.unified_diff)?

2010-10-07 Thread R. David Murray
On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:53:59 -0700, Trent Mick wrote: > Soliciting opinions on issue 2142 (http://bugs.python.org/issue2142). > There are patched available so this isn't vapour. :) [...] > Possiblities: > > 1. Change `difflib.unified_diff` to emit: > > ['--- \n', '+++ \n', '@@ -1,3 +1,3 @@

[Python-Dev] python-2.6.6 coredump running newspipe

2010-10-07 Thread Thomas Klausner
Hi! I'm running newspipe-1.1.9, an RSS reader (http://newspipe.sourceforge.net/), on NetBSD-5.99.11/amd64 using Python-2.6.6. Sometimes, it core dumps with particular feeds in the configuration (I guess depending on the feed, because when I comment out the offending feed in the opml file, it runs

[Python-Dev] ConFoo 2011 Call for speakers

2010-10-07 Thread Cyril Robert
Greetings Python developers, We, Montréal-Python, are the coordinators of the Python track at ConFoo 2011 and we are very proud to announce our call for speakers. PHP-Québec, Montréal-Python, Montreal.rb, W3Qc, and OWASP Montréal are organizing the first edition of the ConFoo conference, which wi

Re: [Python-Dev] hashlib bug when built on OS X 10.6 for 10.5

2010-10-07 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 6 Oct, 2010, at 22:26, Arnaud Bergeron wrote: > If you build python (at least 2.6.5, but probably other versions as > well) in a universal setup using the following command (or similar) > while the machine currently has 10.6 installed: > > ./configure --with-universal-archs= > --enable-univer

Re: [Python-Dev] Patch making the current email package (mostly) support bytes

2010-10-07 Thread R. David Murray
Stephen J. Turnbull xemacs.org> writes: > R. David Murray writes: > > We're (in the current patch) not punting on handling non-conforming > > email, we're punting on handling non-conforming bytes *if the headers > > that contain them need to be modified*. The headers can still be > > modified

[Python-Dev] opinions on issue2142 ('\ No newline at end of file' to difflib.unified_diff)?

2010-10-07 Thread Trent Mick
Soliciting opinions on issue 2142 (http://bugs.python.org/issue2142). There are patched available so this isn't vapour. :) The issue is this (I'll discuss only unified_diff(), but the same applies to context_diff()): >>> from difflib import * >>> gen = unified_diff("one\ntwo\nthree".splitlines(1)

Re: [Python-Dev] Patch making the current email package (mostly) support bytes

2010-10-07 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:31:34 +0900, "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > R. David Murray writes: > > > 5. Return the content, with non-ASCII bytes replaced with ? > > characters. > > That hadn't occurred to me (and it makes me sick to contemplate it). > > That said, this is probably good enou

[Python-Dev] hashlib bug when built on OS X 10.6 for 10.5

2010-10-07 Thread Arnaud Bergeron
If you build python (at least 2.6.5, but probably other versions as well) in a universal setup using the following command (or similar) while the machine currently has 10.6 installed: ./configure --with-universal-archs= --enable-universalsdk=/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk/ then the hashlib module