On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:06 PM, geremy condra wrote:
>> I ran some statistics on the number of times modules out of the stdlib
>> got imported a few months ago and came up with a reasonably
>> comprehensive list of the least-used things
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:06 PM, geremy condra wrote:
> I ran some statistics on the number of times modules out of the stdlib
> got imported a few months ago and came up with a reasonably
> comprehensive list of the least-used things in the stdlib. For the
> record, since I wound up parsing impor
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Steve Holden wrote:
> On 9/14/2010 11:06 PM, geremy condra wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Steve Holden wrote:
>>> On 9/14/2010 4:40 PM, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:43:46AM -0500, s...@pobox.com wrote:
> We got rid of gopherli
On 9/14/2010 11:06 PM, geremy condra wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Steve Holden wrote:
>> On 9/14/2010 4:40 PM, Jon Ribbens wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:43:46AM -0500, s...@pobox.com wrote:
We got rid of gopherlib a few years ago (deprecated in 2.5, presumably gone
i
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Steve Holden wrote:
> On 9/14/2010 4:40 PM, Jon Ribbens wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:43:46AM -0500, s...@pobox.com wrote:
>>> We got rid of gopherlib a few years ago (deprecated in 2.5, presumably gone
>>> in 2.6). I suspect the NNTP protocol has a greatly
On 9/14/2010 6:45 PM, R. David Murray wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:34:33 +0530, Senthil Kumaran
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:44:30PM +0200, Baptiste Carvello wrote:
Antoine> Like the email package, nntplib in py3k is broken (because of
Antoine> various bytes/str misma
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:34:33 +0530, Senthil Kumaran wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:44:30PM +0200, Baptiste Carvello wrote:
> > >Antoine> Like the email package, nntplib in py3k is broken (because of
> > >Antoine> various bytes/str mismatches; I suppose the lack of a test
> > >Anto
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 05:22:59PM -0400, Steve Holden wrote:
> On 9/14/2010 4:40 PM, Jon Ribbens wrote:
> > NNTP is *very* considerably less dead than gopher.
>
> That's an interesting metric. Would you like to list the extant
> libraries implementing protocols that are *not* "*very* considerably
Hi All,
http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.6.6/
..includes the text:
"This is a release candidate; we currently support these formats:"
Is that text meant to be there?
cheers,
Chris
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On 9/14/2010 4:40 PM, Jon Ribbens wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:43:46AM -0500, s...@pobox.com wrote:
>> We got rid of gopherlib a few years ago (deprecated in 2.5, presumably gone
>> in 2.6). I suspect the NNTP protocol has a greatly diminished user base as
>> well, GMANE's presence notwiths
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:43:46AM -0500, s...@pobox.com wrote:
> We got rid of gopherlib a few years ago (deprecated in 2.5, presumably gone
> in 2.6). I suspect the NNTP protocol has a greatly diminished user base as
> well, GMANE's presence notwithstanding.
NNTP is *very* considerably less dea
Steve> PS: I read c.l.py-dev using NNTP from Thunderbird. Why anyone
Steve> bothers with these web interfaces is beyond me ...
Thunderbird is just a special-purpose web browser. ;-)
Steve> PPS: What makes you think the email package transition is complete?
I didn't mean to suggest t
I'm +1 for Antoine to go ahead and do what he wants; the module is
busted as-is and I trust him to make a good judgement call. But I
wanted to specifically reply to Skip about removal.
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:43, wrote:
>
> Baptiste> Reading this from GMANE ;-)
>
> I use GMANE too on occas
On Sep 14, 2010, at 02:01 PM, Steve Holden wrote:
>The fact that Mailman will need it would alone outweigh all those
>considerations in my mind.
/me makes the check out to Mr. Holden.
>PS: I read c.l.py-dev using NNTP from Thunderbird. Why anyone bothers
>with these web interfaces is beyond me .
On 9/14/2010 12:43 PM, s...@pobox.com wrote:
>
> Baptiste> Reading this from GMANE ;-)
>
> I use GMANE too on occasion, but only via the web, as I suppose most people
> do. I haven't actually used an NNTP-based app like xrn or gnus in probably
> two decades. Do the GMANE folks publish HTTP
Baptiste> Reading this from GMANE ;-)
I use GMANE too on occasion, but only via the web, as I suppose most people
do. I haven't actually used an NNTP-based app like xrn or gnus in probably
two decades. Do the GMANE folks publish HTTP v. NNTP statistics for their
service?
I question if the
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:58:31 -0400
Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On Sep 14, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Michael Foord wrote:
>
> > On 14/09/2010 11:17, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Like the email package, nntplib in py3k is broken (because of
> >> various bytes/str mismatches; I suppose the lack o
On Sep 14, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Michael Foord wrote:
> On 14/09/2010 11:17, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Like the email package, nntplib in py3k is broken (because of
>> various bytes/str mismatches; I suppose the lack of a test suite
>> didn't help when porting).
>>
>> I would like to tak
On Sep 14, 2010, at 07:47 AM, Steve Holden wrote:
>How many of those uses are in Python 3? How many would break if ported
>to Python 3?
How many Python 3 applications in general are there now?
It would certainly bum me out if nntplib were removed (rather than improved as
Antoine is offering to
On Sep 14, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>Like the email package, nntplib in py3k is broken (because of
>various bytes/str mismatches; I suppose the lack of a test suite didn't
>help when porting).
>
>I would like to take the opportunity to improve the API a bit; no heavy
>re-architecti
On 9/14/2010 9:36 AM, Michael Foord wrote:
> On 14/09/2010 12:47, Steve Holden wrote:
>> On 9/14/2010 7:10 AM, Michael Foord wrote:
>>> On 14/09/2010 12:04, Senthil Kumaran wrote:
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:44:30PM +0200, Baptiste Carvello wrote:
>> Antoine> Like the email packag
On 9/14/2010 9:36 AM, Michael Foord wrote:
> On 14/09/2010 12:47, Steve Holden wrote:
>> On 9/14/2010 7:10 AM, Michael Foord wrote:
>>> On 14/09/2010 12:04, Senthil Kumaran wrote:
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:44:30PM +0200, Baptiste Carvello wrote:
>> Antoine> Like the email packag
On 14/09/2010 12:47, Steve Holden wrote:
On 9/14/2010 7:10 AM, Michael Foord wrote:
On 14/09/2010 12:04, Senthil Kumaran wrote:
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:44:30PM +0200, Baptiste Carvello wrote:
Antoine> Like the email package, nntplib in py3k is broken
(because of
Antoine> va
[Antoine Pitrou, 2010-09-13]
>
> > >I meant how these decisions are implemented. Is there a configure
> > >switch (there doesn't seem to be)? Does it require patching Python?
> >
> > Ah, no. Standard configure switches are used. Debian (inherited by Ubuntu)
> > has a post-installation script fo
On 9/14/2010 7:10 AM, Michael Foord wrote:
> On 14/09/2010 12:04, Senthil Kumaran wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:44:30PM +0200, Baptiste Carvello wrote:
Antoine> Like the email package, nntplib in py3k is broken
(because of
Antoine> various bytes/str mismatches; I su
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:10:54PM +0100, Michael Foord wrote:
> But as we already have it then making it *work* is a different matter... :-)
Of course, I buy this argument. :) I am +1 on improving the nntplib in
py3k, but if we have real world users raising bug reports and asking
particular chan
On 14/09/2010 12:14, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Senthil Kumaran wrote:
I guess, Skip's question or intention was, how often nntplib as a
module is being used these days to write scripts/tools or clients?
Very rarely.
It would definitely be interesting to know, if the
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Senthil Kumaran wrote:
> I guess, Skip's question or intention was, how often nntplib as a
> module is being used these days to write scripts/tools or clients?
> Very rarely.
>
> It would definitely be interesting to know, if there are python
> applications out the
On 14/09/2010 12:04, Senthil Kumaran wrote:
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:44:30PM +0200, Baptiste Carvello wrote:
Antoine> Like the email package, nntplib in py3k is broken (because of
Antoine> various bytes/str mismatches; I suppose the lack of a test
Antoine> suite didn't help whe
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:44:30PM +0200, Baptiste Carvello wrote:
> >Antoine> Like the email package, nntplib in py3k is broken (because of
> >Antoine> various bytes/str mismatches; I suppose the lack of a test
> >Antoine> suite didn't help when porting).
> >
> >How heavily used is nnt
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> The current module is broken in py3k. I suppose it is still usable for
> things like fetching group descriptions, but you can't e.g. read
> articles:
> http://bugs.python.org/issue7644
>
> Also, http://bugs.python.org/issue9360 mentions that
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 05:31:16 -0500
s...@pobox.com wrote:
>
> Antoine> Like the email package, nntplib in py3k is broken (because of
> Antoine> various bytes/str mismatches; I suppose the lack of a test
> Antoine> suite didn't help when porting).
>
> How heavily used is nntp these days
s...@pobox.com a écrit :
Antoine> Like the email package, nntplib in py3k is broken (because of
Antoine> various bytes/str mismatches; I suppose the lack of a test
Antoine> suite didn't help when porting).
How heavily used is nntp these days (unless you're looking for spam)? Would
i
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:30:14 +1000
Nick Coghlan wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Like the email package, nntplib in py3k is broken (because of
> > various bytes/str mismatches; I suppose the lack of a test suite didn't
> > help when porting).
Antoine> Like the email package, nntplib in py3k is broken (because of
Antoine> various bytes/str mismatches; I suppose the lack of a test
Antoine> suite didn't help when porting).
How heavily used is nntp these days (unless you're looking for spam)? Would
it make more sense to find
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Like the email package, nntplib in py3k is broken (because of
> various bytes/str mismatches; I suppose the lack of a test suite didn't
> help when porting).
>
> I would like to take the opportunity to improve the API a bit; no
On 14/09/2010 11:17, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Hello,
Like the email package, nntplib in py3k is broken (because of
various bytes/str mismatches; I suppose the lack of a test suite didn't
help when porting).
I would like to take the opportunity to improve the API a bit; no heavy
re-architecting, b
Hello,
Like the email package, nntplib in py3k is broken (because of
various bytes/str mismatches; I suppose the lack of a test suite didn't
help when porting).
I would like to take the opportunity to improve the API a bit; no heavy
re-architecting, but simply a bunch of changes to make it highe
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