Oleg Broytman writes:
> > Back on the topic, I don't think a drop-down list of all modules is
> > workable even in browsers that display them as combo boxes. How many
> > modules do we have in std lib? About 100? Maybe more. What if the
> > bug affects several modules? What if the patch mo
R. David Murray writes:
> During the most recent discussion I can remember, I thought I remembered
> Stephen Trumble saying that they'd tried that in xemacs and it really
> hadn't worked very well. Since he now says he thinks it's a good idea
> (or more likely I misremembered what he said the
>
> I don't see what would be so bad about adding a new
function for this. Think of it as correcting the mistake
of not making makedirs() behave this way from the
beginning.
If you want to add a new function, then what its name should be? I guess it
should be too similar as existing ones. It'
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Perhaps all we need is a recipe in the docs:
try:
os.makedirs(path)
except OSError, e:
if e.errno != 17:
raise
I don't like writing code that depends on particular
errno values, because I don't trust it to work cross-
platform.
Also it seems suboptimal t
岳帅杰 wrote:
Sorry, I don't know what is the "no constant arguments" guideline refers
to. Could you give me some more explanation?
It's a rule of thumb that Guido says he uses when
designing an API. If in the majority of use cases for
a proposed function, one of its arguments would always
be a co
Am 20.07.2010 23:09, schrieb Terry Reedy:
> In any case, a module list should be separate from components.
>
> On 7/20/2010 4:43 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
>
>> In this particular case I'd rather tend to agree - an editable
>> single-line box to enter space-*and*-comma-separated modules list wo
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 20Jul2010 17:49, Michael Foord wrote:
> | On 20/07/2010 14:43, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> | >On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
> | >>I'm -0 on adding an argument to os.makedirs, +0 on adding a variant
> | >>functi
On 20Jul2010 17:49, Michael Foord wrote:
| On 20/07/2010 14:43, Nick Coghlan wrote:
| >On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
| >>I'm -0 on adding an argument to os.makedirs, +0 on adding a variant
| >>function to os, and +0.5 on adding the variant to the shutil module.
| >shut
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:53 AM, Alexander Belopolsky
wrote:
> The only problem I can see with this feature is how to design a usable
> UI. Have you ever cursed these extra clever address forms that make
> you select a state from a drop-down list of 50 if not a country from
> the list of 100+? A
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:18 AM, Alexander Belopolsky
wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Reid Kleckner
> wrote:
> ..
>> IMO you should just rename test_trace.py to test_settrace.py, and put
>> the trace.py tests in test_trace.py.
>
> +1
Yep, we're pretty free to rename stuff as required
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 16:53, David Bolen wrote:
> As one of the beneficiaries of the efforts (much appreciated) last
> year to obtain Microsoft MSDN subscriptions for developers/testers (in
> my case, primarily buildbot operation), I was wondering if anyone
> might know if those subscriptions w
In any case, a module list should be separate from components.
On 7/20/2010 4:43 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
In this particular case I'd rather tend to agree - an editable
single-line box to enter space-*and*-comma-separated modules list would be
the best interface.
An interesting idea.
In a
As one of the beneficiaries of the efforts (much appreciated) last
year to obtain Microsoft MSDN subscriptions for developers/testers (in
my case, primarily buildbot operation), I was wondering if anyone
might know if those subscriptions will be able to be renewed this
year?
-- David
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 04:27:45PM -0400, Alexander Belopolsky wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> ..
> >> Really? What smartphone are you using? :-)
> >
> > Are you developing an interface for smartphones? Wouldn't it hurt
> > usability for desktops/notebooks?
>
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
..
>> Really? What smartphone are you using? :-)
>
> Are you developing an interface for smartphones? Wouldn't it hurt
> usability for desktops/notebooks?
You missed the smiley in my response. But seriously, I do find the
interfaces that
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 03:13:41PM -0400, Alexander Belopolsky wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> ..
> > Well, I have never, because in any of these drop-down lists I can press
> > a few first letters of the name and the cursor jumps to the country. I
> > often sele
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
..
> Well, I have never, because in any of these drop-down lists I can press
> a few first letters of the name and the cursor jumps to the country. I
> often select countries in such lists in web browsers.
Really? What smartphone are you us
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 02:53:53PM -0400, Alexander Belopolsky wrote:
> Have you ever cursed these extra clever address forms that make
> you select a state from a drop-down list of 50 if not a country from
> the list of 100+?
Well, I have never, because in any of these drop-down lists I can pr
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 01:51:07PM -0400, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 7/20/2010 6:59 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> 1. I suggested one improvement to the canned response in my previous
> post: expand 'using' to 'using or understanding'.
I changed wording to "if you're having problems learning, unders
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:16 PM, R. David Murray wrote:
..
> During the most recent discussion I can remember, I thought I remembered
> Stephen Trumble saying that they'd tried that in xemacs and it really
> hadn't worked very well. Since he now says he thinks it's a good idea
> (or more likely I
On 07/20/2010 12:00 PM, Fred Drake wrote:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Ron Adam wrote:
It doesn't fall under the single constant rule if done this way.
If the value for 'allow' were almost always given as a constant, this
would be an argument for three functions instead of one.
The gu
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Reid Kleckner wrote:
..
> IMO you should just rename test_trace.py to test_settrace.py, and put
> the trace.py tests in test_trace.py.
+1
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:45:42 +0200, wrote:
On 18/07/2010 23:17, Alexander Belopolsky wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Mark Lawrence
> wrote:
>> Maybe going off on a tangent, but I find it frustrating because you (plural)
>> can't find a given module on the issue tracker. Say I'm looki
Michael Foord wrote:
> On 20/07/2010 14:43, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I'm -0 on adding an argument to os.makedirs, +0 on adding a variant
> >> function to os, and +0.5 on adding the variant to the shutil module.
> >>
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Eli Bendersky wrote:
> As Terry wrote in the beginning of this thread, Lib/test/test_trace.py
> currently tests the sys.settrace module, so the tests of trace.py
> should find a new home. Does Lib/test/test_trace_module.py make sense
> or is something else prefera
On 7/20/2010 12:49 PM, Michael Foord wrote:
On 20/07/2010 14:43, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
I'm -0 on adding an argument to os.makedirs, +0 on adding a variant
function to os, and +0.5 on adding the variant to the shutil module.
shutil seems li
On 7/20/2010 6:59 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
I know, the task of sending answers like I've sent is quite
unappreciated.
*I* appreciate it. I mostly do not respond to such because I expect you
or Aahz will.
I know, the meaning of my answer is rude because, in short,
it's simply "Please, g
I've opened issue 9315 (http://bugs.python.org/issue9315) to address
the lack of unit tests for the trace.py module. I hope to get to it in
a few days and add some tests.
As Terry wrote in the beginning of this thread, Lib/test/test_trace.py
currently tests the sys.settrace module, so the tests of
> Sorry to add the third way to the mix, but shouldn't the recommended
> way to run a module as a script be python -m modname? As in
>
> $ python -m test.regrtest test_spam
This is true but orthogonal to our problem, which is that
:program:`python -m thing` is wrong if I understood the doc right
Switching to "python -m" is generally good where it applies (as in this case).
The original intent for :option: and :program: were in their use as
references rather than in sample command lines.
Georg should be the final arbiter, but I'd be in favor of ``...`` for
command lines.
_
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Eli Bendersky wrote:
..
>
> ``python regrtest.py test_spam.py``
>
> Which way to choose? I will update my patch to reflect this.
Sorry to add the third way to the mix, but shouldn't the recommended
way to run a module as a script be python -m modname? As in
$ py
While fixing the :option: markup in the library docs
(http://bugs.python.org/issue9312), another question came up:
In a few places, documenting a program execution with options was made with:
:program:`python regrtest.py` :option:`test_spam.py`
Since my patch had the :option: markup removed, thi
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Ron Adam wrote:
> It doesn't fall under the single constant rule if done this way.
If the value for 'allow' were almost always given as a constant, this
would be an argument for three functions instead of one.
The guideline has little to do with the type of the
On 07/20/2010 11:47 AM, Ron Adam wrote:
On 07/20/2010 10:43 AM, Fred Drake wrote:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
It refers to the guideline that you shouldn't have a single function
with two (or more) different behaviour and an argument that does
nothing but select
On 20/07/2010 14:43, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I'm -0 on adding an argument to os.makedirs, +0 on adding a variant
function to os, and +0.5 on adding the variant to the shutil module.
shutil seems like the place for it to me. The sub
On 07/20/2010 10:43 AM, Fred Drake wrote:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
It refers to the guideline that you shouldn't have a single function
with two (or more) different behaviour and an argument that does
nothing but select between them.
In particular, when that a
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Anders Sandvig
wrote:
>> I wonder why would anyone want to use datetime.today() instead of
>> datetime.now()?
>
> Because this method is also present in datetime.date. Thus, you can
> reference stuff like d.today().day without caring whether d is a date
> or a dat
Le 18/07/2010 23:17, Alexander Belopolsky a écrit :
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Mark Lawrence
> wrote:
>> Maybe going off on a tangent, but I find it frustrating because you (plural)
>> can't find a given module on the issue tracker. Say I'm looking for issues
>> relating to smtplib, all
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> It refers to the guideline that you shouldn't have a single function
> with two (or more) different behaviour and an argument that does
> nothing but select between them.
In particular, when that argument is almost never given a variable
v
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
..
> I know, the task of sending answers like I've sent is quite
> unappreciated. I know, the meaning of my answer is rude because, in short,
> it's simply "Please, go away", and however I stress the "please" part it's
> still "go away". If I
On 7/20/2010 11:59 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 04:08:00PM -0600, average wrote:
>> Wha? How could this not be the right place? He's not asking about
>> USING python, but asking: WHERE in the PYTHON CODE BASE does the
>> signal get checked?
>>
>> A-bit-miffed-at-the-cold-sho
I'd go with putting it in shutil. We could also add a function there
that wraps up the recipe in issue 9311 to work around the quirks of
os.access on FreeBSD (and possibly other platforms).
--
R. David Murray www.bitdance.com
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On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I tend to agree. Perhaps all we need is a recipe in the docs:
try:
os.makedirs(path)
except OSError, e:
if e.errno != 17:
raise
What if the path or a parent of it already exists as a file? If one has
requested -p I believe one typical
> I wonder why would anyone want to use datetime.today() instead of
> datetime.now()?
Because this method is also present in datetime.date. Thus, you can
reference stuff like d.today().day without caring whether d is a date
or a datetime object.
Anders
__
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> I'm -0 on adding an argument to os.makedirs, +0 on adding a variant
> function to os, and +0.5 on adding the variant to the shutil module.
shutil seems like the place for it to me. The subtlety of getting the
error suppression correct mak
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:06:32 +0100, Mark Lawrence
wrote:
> You all might have gathered that I'm very dispirited by the negative
> attitudes that I get from a relatively small minority of Python people.
> I might as well quit because it doesn't do my mental health a great
> deal of good. Tha
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 06:49:44 pm 岳帅杰 wrote:
> Sorry, I don't know what is the "no constant arguments" guideline
> refers to. Could you give me some more explanation?
It refers to the guideline that you shouldn't have a single function
with two (or more) different behaviour and an argument that doe
Sorry, I don't know what is the "no constant arguments" guideline refers to.
Could you give me some more explanation?
By the way, I feel adding separate functions is not quiet worthy for such a
function.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Greg Ewing wrote:
> Ray Allen wrote:
>
> I think both os.m
Thanks for drawing my attention to that; if the people who made OpenID
auth happen are observing this, then thank you all very much!
You're welcome!
Any hope of feeding those changes back upstream so it's available to all
Roundup users at some point?
Hope dies last.
It's main foundation is
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 04:08:00PM -0600, average wrote:
> Wha? How could this not be the right place? He's not asking about
> USING python, but asking: WHERE in the PYTHON CODE BASE does the
> signal get checked?
>
> A-bit-miffed-at-the-cold-shoulderly yours,
>
> Marcos (wink wink)
I know
"Stephen J. Turnbull" writes:
> Mark Lawrence writes:
>
> > On 18/07/2010 23:38, Alexander Belopolsky wrote:
> > > The direct link [to the “meta-tracker”] is
> > > http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/
> >
> > Is this the same login as for the issue tracker or is a new one
> > needed?
>
Am 20.07.2010 06:37, schrieb Stephen J. Turnbull:
> Mark Lawrence writes:
>
> > Is this the same login as for the issue tracker or is a new one needed?
>
> It's different. Both trackers are supposed to support OpenID logins,
> I believe. (However, there are somewhat frequent reports of
> diffi
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