Re: [Python-Dev] constness of interpreter data

2008-09-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> So, er, is this a remotely sane thing to be doing, and does anyone have > suggestions? :) Not for 2.6/3.0 - but after that: sounds good. OTOH, I don't see a clear technical *need* for these data to be const. In general, const-ness helps correctness and sharing across processes, and the cases yo

Re: [Python-Dev] Add python.exe to PATH environment variable

2008-09-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> May be an external program called by the uninstaller can take care > of this, removing what was added to PATH. Or a custom action. There are ways to solve this problem - they just take some effort to implement them. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mail

Re: [Python-Dev] Add python.exe to PATH environment variable

2008-09-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> A cleaner (though still dirty) way to achieve this would be to add a > link to the appropriate "python.exe" in a directory already on the path > such as c:\Windows\system32 That would be fairly easy to implement. I suppose pythonw.exe wouldn't need the same treatment, as people won't invoke it m

Re: [Python-Dev] Add python.exe to PATH environment variable

2008-09-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>> I mean that many Windows use the PATH, and as such, may fail if a new >> directory is added to the PATH that contains a DLL they indirectly use. > > Then it's just a matter of not putting any DLLs in those directories, isn't > it? A. It's not just DLLs. Any program invoking CreateProcess mig

Re: [Python-Dev] Add python.exe to PATH environment variable

2008-09-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> FWIW, my opinion is similar to how I read Martin's - that if a suitable, > safe patch that cleanly uninstalls can be found, it should be included, but > disabled by default. Personally I'd never use it. That's my view also (less strict now; I previously would have rejected it outright, as I did

Re: [Python-Dev] bsddb alternative (was Re: [issue3769] Deprecate bsddb for removal in 3.0)

2008-09-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I thought that all that was happening was that BSDDB was becoming a > separate project. If one needs BSDDB with Python2.6, one installs it. No, not in the way you mean it. > Aren't there other parts of Python that require external modules, such as > Tk? It's different. BSDDB (the Sleepycat-th

Re: [Python-Dev] bsddb and sqlite

2008-09-07 Thread skip
>> Unfortunately this advice should have been taken several years >> ago. The fact is that there are almost certainly Python users who >> rely on the presence of the bsddb module for production work, and >> simply removing it without deprecation is bound to upset those users. G

Re: [Python-Dev] bsddb and sqlite

2008-09-07 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oleg Broytmann wrote: >> On Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 11:34:37AM -0700, Gregory P. Smith wrote: >>> You could probably have built the bsddb185 module and loaded your data >>> from that and rewritten it using the new bsddb module.

Re: [Python-Dev] bsddb and sqlite

2008-09-07 Thread Steve Holden
Oleg Broytmann wrote: > On Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 11:34:37AM -0700, Gregory P. Smith wrote: >> You could probably have built the bsddb185 module and loaded your data >> from that and rewritten it using the new bsddb module. > >I built bsddb185, loaded old data, exported it to... I don't remember

Re: [Python-Dev] 3rd party dbm (was: [issue3769] Deprecate bsddb for removal in 3.0)

2008-09-07 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 02:35:58PM -0700, Gregory P. Smith wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Another thing to keep in mind with the whole shelve/dbm.any argument > > is that for 3.1 there is nothing saying we can't change shelve and the > > dbm pa

Re: [Python-Dev] [issue3769] Deprecate bsddb for removal in 3.0

2008-09-07 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another thing to keep in mind with the whole shelve/dbm.any argument > is that for 3.1 there is nothing saying we can't change shelve and the > dbm package to allow 3rd-party code to register with the dbm package > such that

Re: [Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-07 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Barry Warsaw wrote: (I have a few minor ET fixes, and possibly a Unicode 5.1 patch, but have had absolutely no time to spend on that. is the window still open?) There are 8 open release blockers, a few of which have patches that need review. So I think we are still not ready to release rc1.

Re: [Python-Dev] bsddb and sqlite

2008-09-07 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 11:34:37AM -0700, Gregory P. Smith wrote: > You could probably have built the bsddb185 module and loaded your data > from that and rewritten it using the new bsddb module. I built bsddb185, loaded old data, exported it to... I don't remember now, but I clearly remember I

Re: [Python-Dev] bsddb

2008-09-07 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Oleg Broytmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 07:40:28PM +0200, Jesus Cea wrote: >> A stable fileformat is useful for long term support, but an evolving >> format allows improvements. > > Once I upgraded Python on a Windows computer... I thin

Re: [Python-Dev] bsddb

2008-09-07 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Oleg Broytmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 03:23:22PM +0200, Jesus Cea wrote: >> Compared to sqlite, you don't need to know SQL, you can finetuning (for >> example, using ACI instead of ACID, deciding store by store), and you >> can do replic

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.6 doc searching issue?

2008-09-07 Thread Georg Brandl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: >>From this page: > > http://docs.python.org/dev/index.html > > I searched for "csv" and got just one hit: > > http://docs.python.org/dev/contents.html?highlight=csv > > Shouldn't it have at least matched the docs for the csv module itself, not > just the tabl

Re: [Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 7, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Fredrik Lundh wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: I'm not going to release rc1 tonight. There are too many open release blockers that I don't want to defer, and I'd like the buildbots to churn through the bsddb removal on a

Re: [Python-Dev] HTTPS read-only SVN access is denied?

2008-09-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> SVN checkout over HTTPS protocol requires password. Is it intentional > or just temporary server issue? I am behind a proxy that doesn't > support PROPFIND requests and I can't test SVN+SSH, because 22 port is > closed. > > Site docs keep silence about that HTTPS is used at all. Shouldn't > auth

Re: [Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-07 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Barry Warsaw wrote: I'm not going to release rc1 tonight. There are too many open release blockers that I don't want to defer, and I'd like the buildbots to churn through the bsddb removal on all platforms. I'd like to try again on Friday and stick to rc2 on the 17th. any news on this fro