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works' for the text cases at hand. They all involve 'mode' and you have not
presented and I cannot think of other cases. So somewhere in the signature
generation
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representation. What if the original author specified mode as 438 or calculated
it as 0o600|0o60|0o6 ? He might and we should still like to see it as 0o666.
So the real issue is to specify the
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handler, making the no-handler behavior moot. In any case, the example code
prints 'one' and 'two' instead of the message.
-
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and involves no change to inspect or docstring conventions. I otherwise agree
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If this is really an 'enhancement', it will only go in 3.4. If it is a
bug/behavior issue, then it should be marked as such and 2.7,3.2,3.3 selected.
I have not read the doc and messages well enough to know, so I leave that to
you and Benjamin.
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What you are doing appears to be unsupported (invalid). From
http://www.astro.washington.edu/users/rowen/TkinterSummary.html
"all Tkinter access must be from the main thread (or more precisely,
from the thread that calls the mainloop). Violating this is l
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
Since there is no 'print filename' command on the menu, I am guessing that this
is about 'File/Print Window' where the window is an edit window for a file with
spaces in the name. In any case, on Win7 3.3 this worked fine for 'tem wi
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
On Win7, 2.7.3 gives me the same output. (Running in IDLE, I don't get the
'socket.' prefix even on the second traceback.) With 3.3, I get socket.timeout
both times (console or IDLE). So the problem seems to be 2.x only.
print_exc calls print_e
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I think answer 2 should just say "An alternative is Stackless Python." and let
interested people click the link. The entire second sentence should go, and I
am not sure how much of the rest of the first is still correct, as Stackless
has changed fr
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console = cmd window. I did run it there and that is where I duplicated your
2.7.3 result. I don't understand the different result with 2.7.3 IDLE, since it
runs in a separate pythonw process that *should* give the same result as the
python cmd window
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test_main makes it trivial to import a test file and run the test.
>>> import test/test_xxx as t; t.test_main()
I do not know the implications of unittest.main(), but I would dislike losing
the abov
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"""This module provides the components needed to build your own __import__
function. Undocumented functions are obsolete.
In most cases it is preferred you consider using the importlib module's
fun
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Yes, export patch from 3.2 or 3.3 (which you need to do anyway to upload here),
import patch into 2.7. Feel free to ask questions on the Core-mentorship list.
The devguide is still a work-in-progress, but has had several recent patches.
Great to hear that
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First, a minor issue about class signatures:
doc: FileCookieJar(filename, delayload=None, policy=None)
code: def __init__(self, filename=None, delayload=False, policy=None)
Pretty clearly, doc should be changed to match code, as later code allow for
possibility
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Windows preserves case when writing a filename but ignores it when searching
and opening filenames. IE, if I have tem.py and try to save TEM.py (from IDLE),
it says 'tem.py exists, overwrite?'. So will or will not that be a problem for
graft wi
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I like this idea, including the function subdivisions. I once suggested moving
the classes into the later builtins chapter, but it was pointed out to me that
a) they once *were* functions (no longer relevant); b) they are callables (very
relevant); and hence
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The hg workbench gui of tortoisehg, which I use, has make/apply patch
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Given the system-dependent nature of the problem, starting with the simplest
thing that really ought to work seems reasonable to me. I verified that the 3.3
patch has no effect on Windows. IE, files with and without spaces printed
without .py in the printed
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
First, What's New " explains the new features in Python". This issue is a
bugfix. AFAIK, object() has always been documented as having no parameters. The
fact that passing extra args should raise a TypeError is no secret.
Second, this *is*
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
We use 'crash' to mean a segfault (and core dump, on *nix) or the Windows
equivalent. We avoid those if at all possible. A Python traceback is not a
crash but a semi-graceful shutdown that has be planned for, given the
circumstances. What is annoyi
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
The exception question is messy, but I think it is the wrong question. The doc
is correct in that it says what the code should be doing. To test whether an
argument is in a collection of choices, the code should just say that: 'arg in
choices' (a
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
I took a good look at the 3.3 code. With respect to the main purpose of choices
-- checking user input -- argparse does not require that choices be iterable,
as it *does* use 'in', as it should. Line 2274:
if action.choices is not None and
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_Actions_container(object) [1198 in 3.3.0 code] .add_argument() [1281] does not
directly check for choices.__iter__ ('__iter__' is not in the file). Nor does
it use the 3.x-only alternative isinstance(choices, collections) ('Iterable' is
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
>I think the next interesting question is to find out why an invalid home
>directory causes idle to not start up. There's no obvious reason why that
>should be the case in principle,
As Roger showed, IDLE will start up with an invalid home dire
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
If you can somewhat solve the problem by better using the existing api, good. I
am not 'stuck' on reusing str/repr*. If metavar is non-optional for
non-iterable choices, the doc should say so in the entry for choices. (Does the
test suite alre
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
>it would probably be reasonable to make these protocols use str objects at the
>heart, and only convert to bytes after the formatting is done.
I presume this would mean adding 'if py3: out = out.encode()' after the
formatting. As I said be
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
After re-reading everything, I have somewhat changed my mind on this proposal.
Perhaps 3.0 threw out too much, making it overly difficult to do some things
that were to easy in 2.x and to write cross-version code.
String formatting converts all arguments to
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I think we have converged on the right solution. The patch looks good as far as
it goes, assuming that it passes the current + unwritten new tests. It will
also be a good basis for reconsidering what to do with long/infinite iterables
in #16418.
I think the
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> As Richard explained, this will not break working code, this will break only
> broken code
If code is both working and broken, for some reasonable meaning of 'working'
and 'broken', breaking such broken code *will* break working c
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I basically agree with Ezio. The doc currently starts with
Introduction to Unicode
History of Character Codes
...
It ends with
Tips for Writing Unicode-aware Programs.
...
The most important tip is:
Software should only work with Unicode strings
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These are correct as they are:
Lib/tkinter/tix.py:149:"""Locates a bitmap file of the name name.xpm or
name in one of the
Lib/tkinter/tix.py:160:"""Locates an image file of the name name.xpm,
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In this part of width.py,
w = unicodedata.east_asian_width(c)
if c == 'A':
# ambiguous
raise ValueError("ambiguous character %x" % (ord(c)))
I presume that 'c' should be '
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
For this particular East Asian local, the problem is the double spacing between
the double-width characters (the Chinese numbers 1 to 7). This is potentially
easily fixed for this locale. But do all locales have abbreviated weekday names
that fit in 2 columns
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
On my Win 7 system, with 3.3.0, the first Home sends the cursor to the
beginning of the user entry, after '>>> '. The second sends it to the beginning
of the display line. And so forth, as intended. See #3851. (It worked the same
with Win
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It would also be nice to optimize '{}{}{}'.format('https://', host, uri).
Either seems a bit much to ask from a fairly naive compiler :-).
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I do not have the knowledge needed to review the code, but I took a brief look.
The three doc patches need a verb to be proper English. "Samples truncated in
case of overflow." should be "Samples are truncated in case of overflow." in
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
Anatoly, please stop playing with the headers. It is meaningless and
irritating, especially when you set them wrong. The 3.5 choice is for issues
that will *not* apply before then. An example is actually making a change
warned about in a deprecation warning
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
It seems like a logic error to try to remove something that is not there. But
it is not obvious from the traceback that your problem has anything to do with
*opening* a file. Unbinding should only happen when *closing* a file. So I
suspect this is a different
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Lib/tkinter/tix.py:1920
Val may be: "auto" -- the width of the column is set the
the widest cell in the column; a valid Tk screen distance
I believe 'the the' should be 'to the width of the'
Lib/tkinter/tix.py:1944
Val may b
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I am working on patch(es) now, against 3.2. But to make 2.7.4/3.2.4, I'd like
you to apply, as I am not currently set up to do so properly.
I may do separate patches for doc, lib, module, and others, so none is
overwhe
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First batch for Lib/*. Separate 3.2 and 2.7 files as the later required
deletion of concurrent patch and adjustment of tix and turtle paths.
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C module files. I cannot find python-gdb.py.
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A majority of doc glitches listed here are new in 3.3. I believe someone make a
similar de-double patch some time ago. I put the other 2.7/3.2 fixes here so
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This is for 3.3 and 3.4. It is against tip, but should apply to 3.3 since the
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My first concern is whether this is a behavior issue that can be fixed in the
next 3.3 release or an enhancement request that should wait for 3.4.
If Signature.from_function were documented in the manual with the current
limitation, this issue would
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
I looked through both the old 2.7 import statement doc and the new 3.3 import
statement doc and import system chapter (5. The import system) and could not
find anything about what a Path Based Finder path entry finder does when a
particular path entry has
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You are proposing a bit array. Whether the bits are interpreted or displayed as
0/1 or f/t or False/True is secondary. The problem is that bit arrays do not
fit the array model, with its minimum byte size per element of 1. There are
other aspects of arrays
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Given isxxx(src, target_s), the proposal would seem to be to change the
internal test "type(target_s) is tuple" to "hasattr(type(target_s),
'__iter__'). This depends on metaclasses not having .__iter__ methods, just as
type does no
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
You are asking that help("modules spam") act more like help("modules"), which
sensibly prints "Enter ..." after the list. A minor but reasonable request, but
since the current behavior is not a bug and some code might possible dep
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I am puzzled by this part of the patch:
- with self.assertRaisesRegex(TypeError, 'is not a callable object'):
+ with self.assertRaisesRegex(TypeError, '42.*is not a callable object'):
With 3.3, I get "TypeError: 42 is not a callable
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Looking further at the pydoc code, I see that "Here is a list. Enter any listed
item to get more help", with both sentences printed before the list, is normal.
Having a post-list prompt for the list of all modules is the exception. So I
would no l
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A related issue: the speed of finding and hence replacing chars in strings is
known to have regressed in 3.3 relative to 3.2, especially on Windows. For long
strings, that will negate in 3.3 the speedup for the initial method call. See
#16061, with patches
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Language manual, section 7.8. The raise statement has no mention of the 'from
None' option. Indeed it says "if given, the second expression must be another
exception class or instance", which would exclude None.
Library manual, Ch 5.
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Document 'from None' in raise statement doc.
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I thought that that was the specification*: the encoding comment should be the
first line unless it has to be the second line to allow for an executable
comment. Executing a non-comment first line twice is definitely contrary to the
intent of the PEP.
* I
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[The information in titles, especially long titles that do not fit in the title
box (on my system, at least) should be repeated in the opening message.]
The point of the patch is to use the same name for the same object in the two
columns* and to use a single
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Which behavior do you propose to change? Does PEP263 specify the response to a
self-contradictory encoding comment? What do you think it should say?
I raising is the better behavior.
Idle notices that it cannot save the file with iso8859-15 encoding, so it
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I like the current division, but agree that
The TestCase class provides a number of methods to check for and
report failures, such as:
is slightly misleading. I would change it to
The TestCase class provides a number of methods to check for and
report
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Current 3.3.2+ repository build (32 bit) and 3.4.0a2 repository build (32 bit)
and installation (64 bit) have a problem that did not exist in my Win6 3.3.2
installation (64 bit). (Bruce Sherwood discovered the symption with some
installed version of 3.4.0a
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I think this patch is a false solution and should be reverted. Oleg should have
been told to use sys.version to make the correct call. Given how Python is,
that is the correct solution to his problem.
The result of this patch is #19021: an AttributeError on
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The same issue arises when an exception is raised during the __init__
execution, rather than in the call argument match phase, and the exception is
caught.
class C():
def __init__(self): self.a = self.b
def __del__(self): self.a
try:
C()
except
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The condition was changed from self._child_created to the getattr call in
#12085. As explained in msg197748, I think that change should be reverted (and
this issue closed). I think elaborating a bad patch only makes it worse
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import stream; stream.enable()
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Perhaps we can fix it on the Python side. When self.tk is called with a
configuration cnf, cnf is often (always?) first passed to Misc._options, as in
BaseWidget.__init__:
self.tk.call(
(widgetName, self._w) + extra + self._options(cnf
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I am slightly surprised no one has complained about a NameError. I guess tix is
untested and not used too much, or at least not the two methods,
tixCommand.tix_configure and TixWidget.config_all. Anyway, do it
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
One of the problem with encoding recognition is that the same logic is
more-or-less reproduced multiple places, so any fix needs to be applied
multiple places. From the detect_encoding_in_comments_only.patch:
Lib/idlelib/IOBinding.py
Lib/lib2to3/pgen2
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The General tab of the IDLE Preferences dialog has this section with two
radiobuttons:
Autosave Preferences
At Start of Run (F5) () Prompt to Save () No Prompt
The latter option actually means "No prompt unless the window is a new window
(
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Seems this hasn't been resolved. I have to disagree with David's
interpretation of RFC 2046. The definition of a boundary says that it is
"terminated" with a CRLF. It also clarifies that the introducing CRLF is
"conceptua
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Following OpenPGP convention is clearly optional (or maybe a SHOULD, but the
word "elect" makes it a pretty weak SHOULD). RFC 2046 is a MUST, it's not a
matter of "convention".
The problem is that a parser that works forward in
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A class attribute is still a special case fix to a generic problem, if indeed
the message is a problem.
If class attribute backup is to become a requirement of all delete methods, it
needs to first be documented, after pydev discussion. To apply the class
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The message problem can arise during exit if __del__ depends an any attribute
of any object. It is hard to imagine a __del__ method that does not. Any
__del__ method, including that of Popen, could handle AttributeErrors by
wrapping the whole body in
try
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Reading Antoine's message more carefully, and the cited doc line, the generic
fix to prevent the warning would be
try:
<__del__ body>
except Exception:
pass
The question is, do we only want to block the warning when someone calls Popen
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