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Sorry, I was thinking of something else when I closed this. What you want is a
new -x option, for some 'x'. The following would help, especially as there is
no one who specifically maintains pydoc.
a) a specific proposal or set of proposals
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Stefen, do you know anything about this? There is no coredev expert for xmlrpc.
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I do not see the within-version slowdown on fresh Windows 10, Pro 64, 32-bit
debug builds.
3.7: 26.4, 27.0
3.8: 26.8, 27.1 # installed normal 64 bit is 7.4, 7.4
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Serhiy, do you know anything about the tkinter.font.families() tuple having
duplicate names? It strikes me as an OS or tk error.
On Windows, the tuple has groups of related names with a base name, such as
'Segoe UI' both alone and with suffixe
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New changeset 96ce22706735779cf8cc46eaaa5ac61359364b5a by Terry Jan Reedy in
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bpo-39600: Adjust code, add idlelib/NEWS item (GH-18449)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/96ce22706735779cf8cc46eaaa5ac6
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font.names() lists 'symbolic' family names guaranteed to exist.
'TkDefaultFont' is the default Text widget font on a particular OS. IDLE
replaces that with 'TkFixedFont', which is translated to the actual family name
on ea
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Cheryl, it appears that only 'weight' words are deleted. For a given family,
Tk only has a (user) settable 'bold', so other weight options must be 'baked
in' to the family. Perhaps X11 allows more weight settings within a fami
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New changeset ffda25f6b825f3dee493b6f0746266a4dd6989f0 by Cheryl Sabella in
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bpo-39663: IDLE: Add additional tests for pyparse (GH-18536)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/ffda25f6b825f3dee493b6f0746266
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macOS test failed twice for PR-18536, for reasons unrelated to the IDLE test
additions. Two pages gave completely different reasons.
https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/18536/checks?check_run_id=451798955
clang: warning: -framework Tk: 'linker&#
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Thank you for tracking this down. The comment was on #32989.
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What OS, what Python version, what tk version? For the latter, start IDLE and
go to Help - About IDLE.
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==
ERROR: test_no_such_executable (test.test_posix.TestPosixSpawnP)
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Traceback (most recent call last):
File "
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If I understand, input() in one thread blocks print() in another thread.
This sound like a new issue for this tracker, and possibly a bug in IDLE's
implementation of std streams through a socket, but I need to see your code.
Please try attaching it
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Summary: With IDLE running normally, with 2 processes, "input('prompt')" in the
main thread blocks execution of "print('whatever')" in a separate thread.
(Verified on Windows with 3.9 and macOS with 3.8.) The user
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I found a stackoverflow question (and my then answer) about the same issue:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50108354/python-idle-running-code-differently-than-other-ides
Although the code posted does not run, it gives a very legitimate use case
( is the
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I verified that problem continues on Windows with 3.8 and 3.9 alpha (with tk
8.6.9 -- might get updated later) and that fix posted by Matthew works. I am
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When I ran the initial test code of #36468, everything was black on white.
When I added Matthew Barnett's fix, both text and background were changed.
Until we get test code and version information that we can run and verify a
problem with the fix,
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I am sure that the behavior you observe is correct. The default button click
handler must check the state before calling the command function, while I
presume that your printBtn_onclick function (not shown) does not. If Serhiy
disagrees, he can reopen
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My understanding that Python is compiled and installed and that the failure was
during a later test.
In repository master (3.9) the line is 1549 instead of 1529. The test function
code is
def test_no_such_executable(self):
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bpo-39649: Remove obsolete check for `__args__` in bdb.Bdb.format_stack_entry
(GH-18531)
https://github.com/python/cpyt
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Some IDLE users really want a horizontal scrollbar (for the editor), and even
consider its absence to be a reason to not use it.
Stackoverflow 2012:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10301071/is-there-a-horizontal-scroll-bar-in-pythons-idle
Reddit 2020
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clipboard (perhaps to document nested code) without having to do the copy while
still holding down the left mouse button. Button-down, move, and release (to
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bpo-39781: Do not jump when select in IDLE codecontext (GH-18683)
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I decided that the alternate addition in #13557 is enough.
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PR-18690 makes the approved change of 'string' to 'specification'. After
merging, I will re-review the other changes in i13790b.diff and possibly make
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bpo-13790: Change 'string' to 'specification' in format doc (GH-18690)
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While I have no specific opinion on tarfile, I strongly disagree with a blanket
prohibition on 'from None'. Its proper use is to maintain a defined API and
hide irrelevant implementation details. Realistic toy example:
def f(x, y):
"Ret
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I verified the additions in token.py. Thanks for the report.
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Would it generaly work better if 'from None' only suppressed the previous
exception? That is the only one that the code writer knows about.
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This does not look like a bug in cpython; if is it not, it should be closed.
Please ask for help on python-list or another forum that covers installation
issues. Or maybe look for a pip user list.
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Antoine, Although the text may have preceded your OSError reorganization, you
were the last to touch this entry. Is is correct, or does it need change?
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The autoresponse seems not to be in any .rst, .htm, .html, or .txt file in the
cpython/python repository, so this tracker is not the right place for this
issue. I have sent a change request to both h...@python.org and
webmas...@python.org.
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For beginners, 'is this a Python bug' questions should usually be directed
elsewhere for initial review.
https://docs.python.org/3/reference/compound_stmts.html#the-try-statement
"When an exception has been assigned using as target, it is cle
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Not surprisingly, I agree with Steven that enhancing IDLE may be a better use
of core developer time. It and Tkinter (and turtle) are options for the
Windows and macOS (and some non-PSF) installers and easily installed on Linux.
IDLE has most of the
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> why a C extension apart and not a patch to `readline`?
Search "python ctypes vs c extension". Multiple SO answers. I believe speed
and language competancy are big factors. I don't think and stdlib m
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Adding functions to builtins (2 of Marco's 8 #38747 ideas) should be separate
from patching the repl code. I agree that the latter should not be done
piecemeal. I previous wrote that we need a pydev REPL enhancement policy
discussion *first
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This is almost certainly a tcl/tk/tkinter on Catalina issue, not an IDLE issue.
Screenshots are missing headlight colors, and that should be impossible to
cause from Python. In standard python, try
>>> import tkinter as tk
>>> r = t
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I just upgraded to 10.14.6 and 3.8.2 and python/IDLE is normal. (I have so far
closed the every login 'upgrade to Catalina' box because of reports like this.)
Ned, is current 8.6.10 any better
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The standard and expected behavior is that pasting *without* a selection
inserts, pasting *with* a selection replaces. Pasting with key, Edit menu, or
context menu should be the same. This is what I see and what I *think* you are
describing. If so
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The black one from 2.42 shows that the disfunction in your system is not in
tkinter app and is likely upstream from that (the relationship between tk and
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This is much clearer. To expand on what I said before, inserting *anything*,
such as by hitting a key, replaces a selection. I verified that this is normal
behavior, at least on Windows, with Notepad, Notepad++, and this Firefox entry
box I am typing in
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I changed the title to reflect the intended user-visible behavior, which was
always the real issue. The original title proposed a solution that would not
work. The revised title gave an alternate solution that should not work.
The discrepancy between
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selection_clear only partially clears a selection. That it does something is
proven by selection_clear.py. It disables selection_get. But run the file in
IDLE and when it finishes, click the tk window, select a line, click Shell, and
manually repeat the
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I am expanding this issue to include the part of #27115 that the PR will fix.
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Cut, Copy, Paste, and Delete, with inapplicable entries grayed out. There are
at least 2 'standard' behaviors (at least on Windows) with respect to the
cursor and
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Spinoff from #39852. At least the selection clear code added there should be
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I believe the following is true: when only one selection is allowed, the cursor
is normally at one end or the other, and any cursor movement either clear the
selection or changes its range.
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The only specification is that len(ob) calls ob.__len__ and that ob.__len__
should return an 'integer >= 0'. (Adding side effects goes beyond that spec.)
I agree that a detectable internal in list is not a bug. Unless there is a
realisti
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b.p.o is for the cpython repository, which includes the English docs.
Translations are in separate repositories (like python-docs-fr) with their own
trackers, with issues handled by the corresponding translators.
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New changeset 2522db11df102be3baf25ce9e816ebe8ffdb7fcc by Terry Jan Reedy in
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bpo-39852: IDLE 'Go to line' deletes selection, updates status (GH-18801)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/2522db11df102be3baf2
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Since PR-18801 fixed the status issue, I am returning this to the box
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bpo-39885: IDLE context menu clears selection (#18859)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/4ca060d8ad7c6df1fd4df30f9a14f6
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New changeset e53a3932cb01683b0fa8a7448ca25a2e658c39e6 by Terry Jan Reedy in
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bpo-27115: Move IDLE Query error blanking (GH-18868)
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Is it the temporal ambiguity (fixed by adding 'now', which is in the blurbs) or
the descriptive versus command style (as with 'Returns' versus 'Return') that
you do not like? If the latter, the devguide could use augmentation
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https://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.6/TkCmd/contents.htm now displays the 8.6.10 pages,
so the tcl folk consider this to be the current stable release.
Zach or Steve or whowever can handle this for Windows, please upgrade pcbuild
and whatever else 'soon'
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Ned> we should be able to catch an exception when IDLE tries to set the working
directory to Documents.
If IDLE did that, then I would consider the silent exit an IDLE bug. However,
IDLE only calls os.chdir, when running a user script, in the user proc
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idlemain.py should be documented within idlelib* (I will do that, README.txt
and maybe macosx.py). Currently, the chdir is only part of idle.app, not idle
on Mac, because it does not happen when starting IDLE in Terminal. This is
confusing. As near as I
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