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I consider iterating over opts to be nicer and more pythonic than using
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There is another reason for considering __iter__ as a more pythonic
solution here. If you print opts, it may lead you to believe that it is
just a regular dict, while it is not. If you were just able to iterate
over it, I think it wo
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Hi Fergus,
I would suggest using "if not data" to check for EOF
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Hello,
(some comments)
What about using gzip.open instead of GzipFile ? It is just a shorthand,
but I prefer it (just my opinion). Also, remove those semicolons.
At the second example you called close on the string object, I gue
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If I could I would commit it, but you have my support on this one
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I have asked that myself, shawnmore. Why not let Value subclass dict ?
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Given the disagreement found here, I suggest closing this rfe and moving
further discussions to c.l.p.
Thanks djc and rhettinger for your support, and, bethard and shawnmorel
for your different
Guilherme Polo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:
Not here, ST_CTIME is 9 and ST_ATIME is 7, both are the correct indices
at the tuple returned by os.stat.
Could you recheck that and then and include some output (if it is really
incorrect) ?
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While we are at it, can't we revamp nametowidget too ?
Patch attached
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Guilherme Polo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:
This still happens, but around 2000 iterations here on newer Python
versions (trunk, 3alpha, 2.5.x, 2.4.x). Using Python 1.6 I've got it at
2 iterations (min), but.. is this going to be fixed or given the amount
of iterations need
Guilherme Polo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:
Indeed, it should call self._getints, not sure why it was never done.
Fixing this gives curselection the correct behavior according to the Tk
Reference Manual: http://tmml.sourceforge.net/doc/tk/listbox.html
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This was fixed on rev 39219 (2 years and 8 months ago)
This surely could be closed by now.
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There.
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Sent wrong file before, this is the correct one.
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I'm investigating the problem loewis, thanks for reporting. But it would
be better if someone with running FreeBSD could help me there, in case I
find the cause for this.
Also some changes were made to the original patch:
neal.no
Guilherme Polo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:
FreeBSD's man page for setitimer/getitimer doesn't look different from
the one in Linux.
But.. both tests assumes the computer is not so fast that it finishes
"for i in xrange(1)" before the timer expire, ma
Guilherme Polo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:
Trent Nelson kindly gave me access to his FreeBSD 6.2 buildbot so I had
chance to do some tests. The problem happens when Python is built
against or libc_r, or if you are using libmap you won't need to
recompile but the problem st
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You should include a diff, not the entire file with your changes
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Hi Trent,
FreeBSD 7 uses libthr as default, which would possibly eliminate this
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It seems the fix is just passing code to addinfourl __init__, not sure
if someone forgot this or this is just totally wrong.
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I've changed them to sorted(obj.keys())
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Is this complete ? I see several methods with just a pass, where the
docstring says it returns a dict, for example.
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You may not like the naming applied there, but surely it is not a import
error. Can you actually manage to get an ImportError ?
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Can you send a sample code that reproduces that ?
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Isn't overrideredirect only used to enable/disable borders in the window
? Why doing this fix what you described ?
Also, make a patch against python-trunk instead of sending the entire file.
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Works fine for me, I just dislike that Port binding error message
because it is a bit misleading. It says "IDLE can't bind any TCP/IP
port, ..." which is not entirely true.
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I tested under Linux (Ubuntu distro), Python trunk
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There was a problem with my previous patch if the widget name was just '.'
New patch attached
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Sorry for the previous patch, correct one attached now
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Apparently this was fixed at rev 52504 python-trunk.
Which python version did you use ?
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tk.rst tells, among other things:
"`Tkinter`'s chief virtues are that it is fast, and that it usually comes
bundled with Python. Although it has been used to create some very good
applications, including IDLE, it has we
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Given the sample code:
for i in range(len([1, 2]) / 2): pass
print 2 / 3
2to3 tells no files need to be modified after running it over this code,
but range doesn't accept float values and the print result will differ.
Woul
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If I were to add such fixer, should I wait for changes coming by gsoc
projects ? I did a quick pass through 2to3 code a while ago, but I'm
very far from understanding it in a good manner so I'm not sure if I
should startin
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It hasn't changed that much, but here is a patch against py3k branch rev
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Guilherme Polo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:
Not sure what you did, but calling _getints didn't raise an exception
here neither returned an empty string if no item was selected, it
returned None.
Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file10249/curselection_tu
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_getints already call splitlist, so there isn't much point in calling
_getints after calling splitlist.
And the Tk documentation says an empty string should be returned in case
there is no selection, but that is Tk. I don't
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Are you aware of any code checking against empty tuple specifically to
verify that nothing is selected ?
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I found some code using map(int, curselection..) directly, so this new
patch fixes the problem related to returning None when nothing was selected.
Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file10259/curselection_tuplein
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Hi again,
Sorry for not trying harder on this issue, I should have included my own
patch(es) on what should be changed. These could be improved tho, of course.
Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file10283/tk.rs
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I'm working on the new package tkinter and dialogs merging where
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Guilherme Polo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:
Patch regarding the move to tkinter package added.
What this patch does
* Moved lib-tk to tkinter and renamed modules according to PEP 3108
* Merged tkFileDialog into filedialog
* Merged tkSimpleDialo
Guilherme Polo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:
New patch regarding the move to tkinter package, now with docs updated.
This one should be the "final" patch, and while the patch is relatively
large it mostly trivial to review.
Added file: http://bugs.pyth
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It doesn't happen here, I'm using Linux too (Ubuntu 8.04) and py3k rev 63074
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New submission from Guilherme Polo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I'm moving lib-tk to a tkinter package, I've sent a patch for this which
can be found at issue 2775 but I started wrong (did a patch against py3k
directly).
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Closing this in favor of issue4017.
Check if anything there works for you, or add something new.
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status: open -> closed
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Lib/threading.py gets into infinite recursion while testing (or using)
it with verbose set. This didn't happen before because Thread.__started
didn't use to be an Event, but now it is.
Typical situation:
_D
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Uhm, long time without discussion but I'm hoping someone interested may
read this.
You have to provide a "bgerror" command to Tcl, so it will get invoked
when a background error happens. Either _tkinter.c could create o
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Now that the new branches are around I guess we could consider adding it
then ? I will help with anything.
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doesn't it ? it works here
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Guilherme Polo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:
Well anyway, some sample code:
import zipfile
z = zipfile.ZipFile('aaa.zip', mode='w')
z.writestr('aa.py', 'def x(): print "hi there"\n\ndef y(): print "hi"')
z.close()
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Hi,
I have changed the lib-tk/Dialog.py so it handles the cases where one
might receive a tuple as a result containing a Tcl_Obj. I've also
modified all the rest of it to make it "cleaner".
It is b/w compatible a
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Please consider backporting r59653 and r59654 to release25-maint branch.
It may be of interest to backport r52688 too, also, r63776 together with
r63914 (without these last two I get segfault when passing a list as an
option
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I've changed it a bit more now, this includes dropping support for cnf.
My wish is to actually remove the cnf usage all over Tkinter :)
Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file12037/Scroll
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Hi,
I've added a new function called setup_master.
This function is responsible for returning an usable master to the
caller, or fail and say so. The function is useful for any wrapper
basically, since all them has to set
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I've noticed a problem with the previous patch, so this new one includes
a comment too so people can remember about the check being applied.
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Implementing it makes this "crazy" check in
http://bugs.python.org/issue3767
(http://bugs.python.org/file12043/tkColorChooser.diff) be no longer needed
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Why is PyObject_CallMethod resetting the exception message that is
already set (if an exception happened, that is) by PyObject_Getattr ?
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keywords:
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Why are you using update instead of update_idletasks ?
I'm not talking exactly about this line being added, but this ends up
calling TurtleScreenBase._update which calls self.cv.update(), cv being
a canvas. update_idletasks sho
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There are some methods (which call tk commands) that no longer exist,
for a long time now so this patch remove them.
There are also these "indices" functions, which do not belong to the
module space and now are gone too.
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I can reproduce it here with tk8.4, using tk8.5 doesn't cause this.
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Guilherme Polo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:
Here is a patch that doesn't use magic numbers :P
I didn't hit the problem described in issue4313 with this one, and
PythonCmd should be doing this anyway, but ideally we should move to
Tcl_CreateObjCommand.
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Removed some repeated code in the patch
Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file12054/PythonCmd_check_for_utf.diff
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Guilherme Polo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:
tk 8.4.19 here, but windows and linux almost surely uses different
window managers (you could run gnome and others under windows, but I'm
betting it is not the case).
Now, it is very hard to say that we shouldn't care abo
Guilherme Polo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:
issue4333 fixes this too, btw
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You are missing the point on using Tcl_CreateObjCommand, I didn't mean
to just go and and do s/Tcl_CreateCommand/Tcl_CreateObjCommand/ because
if you are going to convert everything to unicode then there is no poi
Guilherme Polo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:
I'm sorry if it sounded like I were bashing you, I was just pointing out
my view of the patch -- you didn't need to remove it. The patch I
submitted here can also be improved (although it "works"), but I'm
le
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> Hirokazu Yamamoto added the comment:
>
>>You are missing the point on using Tcl_CreateObjCommand, I didn't mean
>>to just go and and do s/Tcl_CreateCommand/Tcl_CreateObjCommand/ because
>>if you are goi
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Actually it should be commondialog.Dialog
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It is important to commit this actually, since right now
tkinter.filedialog.Directory is pretty broken but also very simple to fix.
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There is a more general patch on issue4350 now
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Disable it while running regrtest with -R ?
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Guilherme Polo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:
I can reproduce this under windows vista with tk8.4 and tk8.5, but the
problem doesn't show up in Linux and it is not tkinter fault either.
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As was told in
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2008-November/083782.html
some objects may print a not so nice message when an attribute is not
found.
I considered this was due to Py_FindMethod being so easy to use t
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Yes, it was a mistake to set the version for py3k too, that is why I
removed after noticing it.
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Guilherme Polo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:
Some more clarifications about this bug:
Tcl shouldn't be giving us a UTF-8 string with a 0xC0 byte, since that
is not valid UTF-8. I'm aware that Tcl uses the sequence 0xC0 0x80 for
special purposes but it is also said tha
Guilherme Polo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> added the comment:
I've been working on a new _tkinter (named it as "plumage") these days
and I hit this same problem for trusting too much that nothing from tcl,
including tk and extensions, would give me this embedded null.
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