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which is accurate, but has acquired negative connotations) until we reach a
consensus. And if we don't reach a consensus we leave it alone ("status quo
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I don't believe there is an equivalent unix command. Are you referring to the
fnmatch glibc function? Can you demonstrate the differences? I doubt we will
change the functionality, but that would be the minimum starting point for a
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Looking at the fnmatch man page, it looks like there are option flags that some
shells use that our fnmatch doesn't support. I'm not sure if supporting them
is a good idea for us or not, but it is probably worth discussing. I suspect
our f
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No, it should not. A DBM is not necessarily a single file. What you should be
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The behavior is consistent:
>>> a = [1, 2]
>>> b = [3, 4]
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Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in
File "", line 1, in
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I wonder if that explanation should be added to the doc section to which I
pointed. I thought I'd remembered something like that being in there, but it
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This is a duplidate of issue 5996. It is not clear if we are going to treat it
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For backward compatibility reasons this will not be changed. I don't know if
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That seems like a reasonable use case, but is fnmatch what git is using for
this? If so, what is the feature set required? In any case, the existing
functionality must remain as is for backward compatibility reasons, so this
would either be a new function
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What are you reporting as the bug here? 2to3 obviously can't work without the
source, so based just on what you have written here this sounds like an Azure
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Ah, I see. We don't really support .pyc-only distribution, though we try not
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The short answer is no. We no longer use the MSI installer.
Perhaps the windows experts will be interested in exploring why you can't use
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Both the replace and rename functions will remain in the API, as they mirror
the os module, not the os itself. I agree that the naming is unfortunate, but
it has the weight of history behind it, so we are stuck with it. Issue 24229
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... raise StopIteration
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What makes you think this is a python bug rather than exactly what it says: a
cert verification error?
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I agree. The normal python convention is that an immutable object returns the
new value when an operation "changes" it, while a mutable object returns None.
It seems like replace and rename should follow this convention (and that it
wou
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It is by design. Read the footnote associated with the subtraction opertion on
datetimes: after subtraction date2 + timedelta = date1, which implies that the
subtraction ignores daylight savings transitions, since the addition does
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Steve, when we changed installers was that when we also fixed the
security/permissions problems with the install dir? If permissions are the
issue the OP's problem may have nothing to do with it not bein
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Replace "test_that_failed" with the name of the test that failed.
The README could be improved by saying:
If any tests fail, you can re-run the failing test(s) in verbose mode. For
example if, 'test_os' and 'test_gdb' failed,
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Yep, I figured that. That's why I suggested the clarification to the README,
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By DELIM, you mean the shell ':'? As far as I've been able to determine there
is no way defined in posix to escape that character. If you can find one,
please let us know. (I think the same is true for the Windows semicolon bu
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I'm not sure there is anything we should do here, then, because we are
conforming to the posix parsing for PATH in our PYTHONPATH implementation.
I think if you want to pursue this further you should take it to the
python-ideas mailing list. I'
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This is a duplicate of issue 27541.
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You mean to create the entries on sys.path that do not come from the PYTHONPATH?
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OK, that seems reasonable to me. I'll reopen the issue. Assuming other
developers agree that this should be changed, I'm not sure if it will qualify
as a bug or an enhancement, so I'm leaving versions unselected for now :)
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I'm not sure we would consider this a bug (the message is accurate), but I
wouldn't object to fixing it, since that would indeed seem more consistent with
how __delitem__ and del are defined in the language reference.
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Is this post wrong then?:
https://superuser.com/questions/584870/how-can-i-add-a-folder-containing-a-semicolon-to-the-windows-path
("I noticed that the semicolon ; is a valid character for Windows (NTFS) file
and directory
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All right. So the challenge here for windows is: if python is installed on a
path that has a semicolon in one of the directory names, is it even possible to
populate sys.path such that modules can be imported from the lib directory that
is under that path
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See also issue 20371.
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The docs you point to are correct (they mention python.exe). The Travis log
also shows it using python.exe. So the error message about the directory must
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Heh. I saw the PR but didn't realize it was attached to this issue :)
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Ah, this is probably the issue: https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/3134
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This is by design: namedtuples are tuples in which you can access the elements
by name. If you have a tuple with the same elements, but no name access, they
should compare equal, because they are fundamentally tuples. The names are
just a convenience
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This isn't a help forum, it is a place for reporting bugs in Python. The kind
of question you are asking is best asked on the python-list mailing list (see
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Just FYI, Vedran, almost everyone gets this one wrong :) I too once thought
that triple quoted text used as comments was bad style, but in fact I learned
they are an accepted way in Python to do multiline comments. Accepted by
Guido, at least:
https
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And being "accepted" does not change the fact that one needs to be aware of the
fact that syntactically they are string literals and not syntactic comments.
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GC cleanup is not guaranteed to be synchronous. You are observing normal
Python behavior here. Cleanup does not happen until the TestCase instance is
finalized (thus eliminating the self.dummy reference to your DummyClass). In
the case of passing tests
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No, that sentence is telling you what the *Python*'s behavior is, using C++
terminology. Unlike C++, where class members are private by default, the
Python equivalent of class members are public by default.
If you can figure out a clearer way to phrase
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I'm don't have a lot of experience with parsers, but I suspect that we consider
the cost of making the grammar more complex to be more significant than the
benefit we'd get from catching these at compile time. And as Vedran says,
defining wha
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This kind of proposal should start with a discussion on the python-ideas
mailing list. You can reopen the issue if there is a consensus for moving
forward...but I wouldn't be surprised if this was considered to be a PEP level
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Sometimes it does, sometimes we make the change in a feature release, often
after a deprecation period. But in this case there is doubt that the behavior
is incorrect in the first place.
This discussion should move to the python-ideas mailing list. I&#
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Indeed, I personally can't imagine a circumstance in which I'd want to use this
feature. Even inside an org. It also has security implications, which would
also make it a harder sell.
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Have you tried the equivalent C program? I'm guessing this is happening at the
OS layer and Python is just reporting it. On my system a timeout of 5 will
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The docs say, eg: "Return True if the path points to a symbolic link". The
path points to a file system object, and it is the object that is being
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I would phrase that as "check if any of the components of the path are links",
at which point one "obvious"[*] answer is "any(x.is_symlink() for x in
[*mypath.parents, mypath])". If the path is absolute, you could use &qu
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Thanks for wanting to improve the documentation.
Raymond will address this definitively, but unless I'm mistaken part of the
purpose of the examples is to show how the various itertools can be used. If
that is true, then in the context of the ov
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I'm not a networking expert at this level, but I believe what is happening here
is that the network stack does an arp, and has a timeout waiting for the arp
response that is longer than your socket timeout. So at some point its arp
timeout expires whil
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shadowadler, the documentation assumes *throughout* that you have not created
any variable that shadows any standard Python entities. There is no other
rational way to write the documentation. To change that policy would, as has
been pointed out, require
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obviously be absurd"). Having thought it it some more, your are right, there
*is* a difference between the examples you think it would be absurd to disclaim
and your ex
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OK, agreed. The general principle is: if you reference the name, it is looked
up in the the builtins namespace at runtime (effectively an indirect
reference). If the syntax doesn't explicitly mention the name, then it is
going to be (the equivalent
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No, it is correct as worded. It is talking about the default methods. With
the default methods, x == y implies that x is y.
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This is a duplicate of issue 8087, which contains quite a bit of discussion of
the subtleties of the issue.
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Duplicate of issue 29708.
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If that is the intended definition of "whitespace" in this context (I have no
opinion on that so far), then the docs need amplification, because in general
"whitespace" includes newlines. On the other hand, this might be considered a
bug
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I don't think this use case is enough to justify documenting it, since this is
not an intuitive meaning of the word PARSER. I think if we wanted to expose
this for this kind of use case, we'd want to rename the constant (with an alias
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I've turned this into a PR. The example was already changed in a previous
checkin. I reworded the optparse porting addition to match the existing style
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I've turned intermixed.patch into a PR. I tweaked the documentation so that it
does not refer to the details of the implementation. I tweaked the
implementation to have the 'try' start before the code that modifies the state,
and did the l
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I got an offline agreement from Zach Ware, and nobody here at the sprint has
objected (though I don't know if anyone else looked), so I'll go ahead and
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I started rewriting the header folder in response to this bug, because the root
problem is a bit deeper than just _fold_as_ew being missing. I will probably
work on it some more this week, but if I don't think I'm going to get it
finished I&
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You did not follow the request I made on the PR to explain in this issue you
opened what is failing and why. Unless you convince us that this is actually a
bug in python, we will close the issue and PR
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I think RegexFlag is an implementation detail, but it is true that it isn't
prefixed with a _ so putting it in __all__ is not obviously wrong. However, if
we do that we should also document it (currently it is mentioned only in a
versionchanged line,
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Well, I consider that they really should be named constants and not an enum,
which is why I consider it an implementation detail :)
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Can you figure out what the input to feedparser is in those cases? If pip or
whatever is feeding in a None object, then that's not a bug in feedparser.
However, if the input is a string (or bytes via the bytes interface) and this
is heppening, then th
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work, or you missed something in the instructions, since this certainly does
work if the module is in a directory on sys.path. (The 'python module1.py'
will o
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