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I started a report on failures on my machine a few days ago, but never finished
editing. I am pasting in what I wrote so far. The same 4 tests fail today with
a rebuild 12 hours ago.
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Ronald is correct, and for the reason given. Python functions are lexically
scoped, not dynamically scoped, and you are expecting the latter. The exec
global and local namespaces are used to resolve identifier in the code you
pass. Your first example
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I am closing this for now because there is no information upon which to
proceed, and because you closed your PR (without explanation). The nested
dicts returned by pyclbr already constitute a tree of nesting relationships
between the functions and
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The rest of the overly long title was "The install shows that it only supports
python 2.x but is listed under python 3.6+ docs."
The lines in question are from the 2nd to last example.
# An imaginary module that would make this work and be sa
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In my current 2.7.16+ Windows 10-64 repository build, and on at least one
8.1-64 buildbot, the tcl/tk version is 8.5.19
>>> tk.Tk().tk.call('info', 'patchlevel')
'8.5.19'
In my installed 2.7.17rc1, it is the old
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I think you misunderstood #32129. It was specific to macOS Aqua systems. On
Windows and generally on Linux, window title bars have a little icon on the
left end (at least on Windows). IDLE uses the tcl/tk GUI framework and by
default, on these systems
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I presume this is on macOS, with its finicky tk. Have you 'upgraded' to
Catalina? I have not, that I know of. I will try 3.8.0rc1 on my MacBook Air
tomorrow.
1. Jumps. All the way to before the beginning "Python 3.8..." splash line
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For me, 'pyw -3.7 -m idlelib' in Command Prompt opens IDLE with 3.7.5. So does
the equivalent run by clicking the IDLE icon:
C:\Programs\Python37\pythonw.exe "C:\Programs\Python37\Lib\idlelib\idle.pyw"
This report reminds me that
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I added a note to #28866 about this. The fix in #36922 is likely an
enhancement that cannot be backported. Please retest with 3.7.5 if you can,
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Verified from Python.
>>> t = (1,2,3)
>>> t2 = t[:]
>>> id(t), id(t2)
(1672756229504, 1672756229504)
A partial slice cannot the original tuple, so I presume that the emphasis is
about returning a (new) *tuple*, rather than some s
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#38541 reports a severe attribute access slowdown in 3.7.4 in some situations.
(Fixed by the enhancement in #36922, which I presume cannot be backported.)
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These are F5 Run Module, Shift-F5 Run ... Custom, and Alt-X Check Module. If
Shell has not been saved, the shortcuts do nothing, but once Shell has been
saved, they try to
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Trying to compile grep output is also bad. The ultimate fix is to subclass the
specialized code editor from the general text editor, instead of vice versa as
at present, but I leave that for later, and will simply check if the window
about to be compiled
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Given this, I reproduced the issue on Windows for both 3.7 and 3.8. The bug is
trying to compile the Shell window, after it has been saved, or an Output
window, with a prompt to save, for any of F5, Shift-F5, and Alt-X. There is no
existing issue I know
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https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/e3f90b217a5152275b180b466bd503
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bpo-37309: First idlelib/NEWS.txt for 3.9.0 (GH-16947)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/a8fb9327fb9387b404d4b6ce55c608
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[3.8] bpo-37309: First idlelib/NEWS.txt for 3.8.1 (GH-16947)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/6d6418a075f272aeab93c6f2ec15c1
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New changeset baf2657eff82f5c33ae8194499d97ba963871655 by Terry Jan Reedy in
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[3.7] bpo-37309: First idlelib/NEWS.txt for 3.7.6 (GH-) (#16949)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/baf2657eff82f5c33ae8194499d97b
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FWIW, I agree with closing this. I already changed my mind from my earlier
comment and decided that IDLE should maybe switch to using open and read_file
in different places, for the reasons given above. It might make testing
without depending on a local
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
Batuhan, thanks for the nudge. For the record ...
If __new__ were a normal instance method, then 'some_class.__new__()' would be
a correct call, as 'some_class' would be passed to '__new__' as its first and
perhaps only a
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
Both the menu items and the short cuts for these two functions on the Format
menu give these call errors. They are only visible if IDLE is started from a
console.
They work in 3.6; the regression is due to #36390. These 2 functions were
moved separately
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Interesting. The result of making these changes is legal code looking like
>>> if a:
if b:
c = 3
This has been proposed as the way Shell should work, but rejected as likely too
confusing to beginners as the indented code does not look
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The old, long discussion of Shell indents is #7676 and a preceding issue
reference therein. My replacement is #37892.
The PR patch is simple enough to apply by to existing 3.7.5 and 3.8.0 installs.
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As stated in my second opening sentence, this issue "implements the first phase
of #37892", which gives the context and specific rationale.
There are 3 separate parts to a Python Shell.
1. Code entry, indentation, display, and copying. This i
Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
One of the related changes is to add multiple options for saving the shell
history. For editing, one wants code without prompts and output either
omitting or commented out. For doctests, one wants code with '>>> ' and '... '
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My previous response was to comments up to msg355812.
To answer Raymond's subsequent questions: The user will enter python code the
same as before. Currently, the indents and resulting appearance of the code on
Shell screen is different from (and
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Since these posts were more or less copied to pydev list, I am copying my
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> **tl;dr:** Various posts, linked below, discuss a much better replacement for
> untokenize.
If that were true, I would be interested.
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Since isinstance(Object.__call__, types.MethodType) is False, the 'fob' in
'inspect.signature(fob)' is Object. (See the initial get_argspec code.)
Indeed, 'inspect.signature(Object)' results in the traceback followi
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This is a spinoff from #38689, about 'strange_callable(' in Shell hanging,
because there is an uncaught exception is the run process. (See issue for
'strange_callable'.) Running IDLE from Windows Command Prompt, Windows
eventua
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Further experiments suggest a fix for the hang, which is not specific to this
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I pretty strongly dislike 'truthy' and 'falsey'. They look slangy and
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/truthy gives the main meaning as
(US, colloquial) Only superficially true; ...
The computer language usage is credited to Javascript
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Quick summary and opinions so far:
* Jump to top: general IDLE bug, fixed.
* Repeated quit message: never seen by me, likely IDLE bug. I need to check
code where message emitted.
* Arrow keys emit ? replacement char: never seen by me, likely tcl bug. IDLE
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You are confusing the widget path component, an arbitrary string of chars other
than the separator '.', with the English word 'frame', which is also a tk
command. In tk docs, 'a *frame*' is a widget (tk window) created with the
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Victor, the apparent 3.10 regression is from your commit.
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3.7 only gets security fixes. Please verify that this is an issue with 3.10,
or at least 3.9, and give a reproducible test case.
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An exception exit is not a 'crash' for this tracker. The latter is an
indefinite hang or a no-exception stackoverflow or the Windows equivalent error
box (or worse). The linked issue appears to show an exception exit.
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A possible resolution to this issue might be augmenting
https://docs.python.org/3/library/fractions.html#module-fractions
with a short paragraph or section on alternative implementations noting that
there is a tradeoff between speed and complexity (and
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skrah is still a bpo user with an CLA-signed account linked to his github
account. So he can post here and, I believe, open a PR as a contributor. But
if, under the current circumstances, he feels more comfortable using Antoine as
a go between, then I
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Steve, PEP 632 lacks a reference to the SC acceptance thereof. Could you add
one?
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-...@python.org/thread/TXU6TVOMBLQU3SV57DMMOA5Y2E67AW7P/
And can you verify my interpretation below?
The warning is correct as to
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An actual example might help get an answer.
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(You don't use coords('tunnel') above because it only reports on the 'first'
tagged object.)
tkinter widget methods are generally thin wrappers around tk functions that
translate between python objects and tk strings.
I believe t
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Currently return tuple (i, j, n), means that a[i:i+n] == b[j:j+n], where both
matching blocks are the same length.
https://docs.python.org/3/library/difflib.html#difflib.SequenceMatcher.get_matching_blocks
This would not be the case if a has an ignored space
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As an IDLE maintainer, I am a tkinter user also and that is my involvement in
tkinter changes. One of my projects for IDLE has been to switch to ttk
widgets, including ttk.Frame, wherever possible, for the reasons you gave.
It is known the tkinter docs we
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With more experience, I agree that 0/0 tests passing should not be a pass.
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OK. I see no structural difference between his page and yours,
https://bugs.python.org/user2040. No 'Roles' field, no 'User' entry, on either
page, nor on mine. So you must be an admin who sees extra info. In any case,
the last part
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bpo-43199: Briefly explain why no goto (GH-24852)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/5e29021a5eb10baa9147fd977cab82
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The menu items and Windows shortcuts work on Windows 10. Several shortcuts and
some menu items do not work on macOS. The latter is true for the undo and
clipboard items at the top of the Edit menu. The shortcuts do cause 'Edit' to
flash, indic
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Thank you, EP, for being 'someone'. I should remember that you are the one who
can current do these tests. I presume the reproducible 'this' is the
non-response to cmd-A, cmd-Z, and so on. So closing as 3rd party, tcl/tk,
issue.
I co
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Yes, a package. There isn't actually that much in the txz. Most of the files
are ostensibly empty.
As an example, let's say we have the following files:
test.py
test_module/__init__.py
test_module/test_submodule.py
test.py contains:
```pyt
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Given the previous example, in test.py, replace:
```
print(test_module.test_submodule)
```
...with:
```
assert(not hasattr(test_module, "test_submodule"))
```
...because the issue is only the bottom half of `_find_and_load_unlocked`.
Specifi
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I cannot reproduce in Python with either 3.8 or 3.10. (Please try with latter
if you can.) I thought the issue might possibly be passing two different
dicts, which results in the code being executed as if in a class statement, but
it is not.
code
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This tracker is for patching CPython, including the docs. Questions for
discussion should be posted to python-list. Perhaps such a discussion would
lead to a concrete change proposal. In the meanwhile, I think that this should
be closed as 'not
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How are you starting IDLE? How are you using the turtle module? What does
"can't get the window open" mean exactly? Does the menu item Shell => Restart
Shell work?
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New changeset 7cb033c423b65def1632d6c3c747111543b342a2 by Skip Montanaro in
branch 'master':
bpo-43494: Make some minor changes to lnotab notes (GH-24861)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/7cb033c423b65def1632d6c3c747111543b342a2
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Skip, if you do not make a backport, you can close this.
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Verified in 3.10.0a6 that change is at 3 !s. I agree that is is a bug relative
to the doc.
The issue is that 'world!!!' is 8 chars, and by default, wrap splits that into
'w' and 'orld!!!' and add ' w' to 'hello&
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I agree with Raymond, at least for now. I would expect the string argument to
Fraction to be quoted legal Python code. Without a lot of thought and
discussion leading to a change in python design with respect to unicode and
operators, this limits '
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I am sympathetic to the 'hiding bugs' argument in general, but what bugs would
this proposal hide? What bugs does print hide by auto-converting non-strings
to strings?
I recently had the same thought as Raymond's: "it would be nice if
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Foolish me. Commenting out the first exec results in the 2nd exec raising.
Commenting out the 2nd exec also results in the class code raising, which is
what I expected. The point of the class code is to partially explain the
exception, which is not a bug
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I read all the responses as of this timestamp. They left me more persuaded that
joining objects with a string (or bytes) is explicit enough that the objects
*must* be coerced to strings.
A problem with coercion in "1 + '2'" is that ther
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Whatever the situation was last May, current 3.10 now results in a correct and
improved traceback ending in
File "F:\Python\a\tem4.py", line 2
print("hello world"
^
SyntaxError: '(' was never closed
Same if \n
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Before the patch, IDLE highlighted the \n endline with a red background, which
tk displays as red background from the blank space after the 4 to the right
edge of the text widget, including in 3.8.8.
The 3.8 result, different from REPL, is due the the
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I added idlelib.idletest in May 2013 with the concurrence of Nick Coughlin, who
also suggested 'idle_test' rather than just 'test'. It currently has 72 files
(66 test_xyz files for idlelib modules).
Foord's opening justification
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Spinoff from #41064. In current python, the f'{*x}' traceback ends with
(*x)
^
SyntaxError: f-string: can't use starred expression here.
For f'{**x}', the message is "f-string: invalid syntax" and the ^ is a
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Cressey noted both a compile and IDLE Shell issue. They must be handled
separately by different people in separate bpo issues.
The first is about the helpful versus less helpful SyntaxError messages in the
following (master compiled today).
>>&
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Fixed elsewhere.
>>> 04208
File "", line 1
04208
^
SyntaxError: leading zeros in decimal integer literals are not permitted; use
an 0o prefix for octal integers
>>> 0o38
File "", line 1
0o38
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I think that this issue should be closed as 'out of date' as it was pretty
open-ended and it is unclear what request remains.
For the specific case "for a in (8,9)", the suggested "expected ':'" has been
added on
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3.6 only gets security patches. You or someone needs to show an unfixed bug in
master. Your code runs for me on Windows, whereas you appear to be using *nix.
Replacing job_name.encode() should have the same behavior. Do you see the
same with job_name=&qu
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