[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Mark Roseman added the comment: Ned, is there anything that I might be able to help with here? While I'm not a Mac installer guru, it doesn't look like we'd need anything too fancy here. Installing an 8.6 variant (via the frameworks approach I mentioned in my previous message) would seem to ha

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Mark Roseman added the comment: I'd like to revisit this, particularly in the context of some of the discussions regarding future improvements of IDLE. Assume we have a barebones Tcl/Tk framework build of e.g. 8.6.4 as part of the installer (core Tcl/Tk, not like e.g. ActiveTcl). Would someth

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

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Roundup Robot added the comment: New changeset d666e8ee687d by Ned Deily in branch 'default': Issue #15663: Revert OS X installer built-in Tcl/Tk support for 3.4.0b1. http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/d666e8ee687d -- ___ Python tracker

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Roundup Robot added the comment: New changeset f9927dcc85cf by Ned Deily in branch '3.3': Issue #15663: Revert OS X installer built-in Tcl/Tk support for 3.3.3. http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/f9927dcc85cf -- ___ Python tracker

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Roundup Robot added the comment: New changeset ba31940588b6 by Ned Deily in branch '2.7': Issue #15663: Revert OS X installer built-in Tcl/Tk support for 2.7.6. http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/ba31940588b6 -- ___ Python tracker

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Ronald Oussoren added the comment: I don't think you can provide a solution that's compatible with existing 3th-party extensions that use Tk and includes a private copy of Tcl/Tk. IMHO the best solution would be to provide the Tcl/Tk headers in the Python framework as well, to make it possibl

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Ned Deily added the comment: Due to incompatibilities with some key third-party projects as documented in Issue 19490 and the urgency of getting new maintenance releases out, the best course of action is to revert built-in Tcl/Tk support for 3.3.3 and 2.7.6. With the knowledge gained, I will

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Roundup Robot added the comment: New changeset fc8f19b4b662 by Ned Deily in branch '2.7': Issue #15663: Revert OS X installer built-in Tcl/Tk support for 2.7.6. http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/fc8f19b4b662 New changeset 268dc81c2527 by Ned Deily in branch '3.3': Issue #15663: Revert OS X instal

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Roundup Robot added the comment: New changeset 0bf4cf62f14c by Ned Deily in branch '3.3': Issue #15663: Force IDLE.app to run the GUI process in 32-bit mode. http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/0bf4cf62f14c New changeset b6a1a78818fe by Ned Deily in branch 'default': Issue Issue #15663: merge from

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Roundup Robot added the comment: New changeset db5a50959dc9 by Ned Deily in branch '2.7': Issue #15663: OS X installer builtin Tcl/Tk support http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/db5a50959dc9 New changeset 150242784de0 by Ned Deily in branch '3.3': Issue #15663: OS X installer builtin Tcl/Tk support

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Roundup Robot added the comment: New changeset 19b512bfc8d2 by Ned Deily in branch '2.7': Issue #15663: Tcl/Tk 8.5.15 is now included with the OS X 10.6+ http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/19b512bfc8d2 New changeset 5ff4f0100a40 by Ned Deily in branch '3.3': Issue #15663: Tcl/Tk 8.5.15 is now incl

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Raymond Hettinger added the comment: We should advertise in the docs that we have a policy of upgrading the Tcl/Tk versions as necessary to improve stability. -- nosy: +rhettinger ___ Python tracker __

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Georg Brandl added the comment: Yep (should there be a policy about this somewhere)? -- ___ Python tracker ___ ___ Python-bugs-list ma

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Benjamin Peterson added the comment: We've upgraded the versions of other embedded libraries in 2.7 bugfix releases, so I'm okay with this for 2.7. -- ___ Python tracker ___ ___

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Ned Deily added the comment: I guess the one remaining question about this issue is whether it should be backported to 2.7.x and/or 3.3.x. The implementation depends on the build changes implemented in Issue1584 to provide options to override default search paths for Tcl and Tk so that would h

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Roundup Robot added the comment: New changeset 7f69f4fadfd8 by Ned Deily in branch 'default': Issue #15663: Update OS X installer to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.15. http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/7f69f4fadfd8 -- ___ Python tracker

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Ronald Oussoren added the comment: Great work. Thanks. -- ___ Python tracker ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: https

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[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Roundup Robot added the comment: New changeset 985384cd6365 by Ned Deily in branch 'default': Issue #15663: Tcl/Tk 8.5.14 is now included with the OS X 10.6+ http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/985384cd6365 -- nosy: +python-dev ___ Python tracker

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Ronald Oussoren added the comment: The logical location for installing and embedded Tcl/Tk is either in {sys.prefix}/lib (for a unix install of Tk) or in Python.framework/Versions/X.Y/Frameworks (for a Tcl/Tk framework install). In either case Tcl/Tk would be installed *inside* Python.framewor

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

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[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Samuel John added the comment: Sounds reasonable, but please put the libs not in a place that might conflict with a Tk installed by other means (e.g. homebrew's Tk is a `/usr/local`). -- nosy: +samueljohn ___ Python tracker

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Ned Deily added the comment: Yes, it would have to be a subset since some of the stuff in the ActiveTcl releases is unavailable anyway. But the current ActiveTcl installer dmgs are around 24Mb while the 3.3.0 installers are a little less than 20Mb. Even if it were to double the size, 40Mb sti

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

Ronald Oussoren added the comment: A major reason for why the current installers don't install Tk as well is that this would significantly increase the size of the installer. There's also the question of what bits of Tcl/Tk should be bundled, although I guess we should ship a minimal install o

[issue15663] Investigate providing Tcl/Tk 8.5 with OS X installers

New submission from Ned Deily: The current situation with Tcl/Tk on OS X is less than ideal. The Apple-supplied versions of the Cocoa-based Aqua Tk 8.5 on 10.6 was unusable with IDLE and most Tkinter applications. The 10.7 and 10.8 versions are better but still have serious crashers that hav