Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-07 Thread Andreas Pakulat
On 07.10.08 14:47:00, Daniel Miller wrote: > Well, yes of course. Sorry for picking a bad example. How about > QSplitter, QPushButton, QProgressBar, QPopumMenu, etc. Those are > definitely used in many places, and the API for each of them changed. I > realize this is not your fault--it was a d

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-07 Thread David Boddie
On Tue Oct 7 19:47:00 BST 2008, Daniel Miller wrote: > On Oct 7, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Phil Thompson wrote: > > PyQt3 has always maintained backwards compatibility, so has PyQt4. > > PyQt3 is not PyQt4. Likewise Qt3 is not Qt4. Granted, Trolltech > > produced a Qt3=>Qt4 migration tool, but then they

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-07 Thread Daniel Miller
On Oct 7, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Phil Thompson wrote: On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:10:57 -0400, Daniel Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - I am moving to PyQt4 because I need to use some of the new features (the Graphics View Framework, for one). If I did not need these new features in PyQt4 I'd be con

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-07 Thread Giovanni Bajo
On 10/7/2008 5:10 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: I should clarify a few things before I embark on a rebuttal: - I have deployed my code to my end users many times since I started to build my PyQt4 compatibility layer (it is not finished yet, and I can't afford to stop pushing out bug fixes and new f

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-07 Thread Daniel Miller
I should clarify a few things before I embark on a rebuttal: - I have deployed my code to my end users many times since I started to build my PyQt4 compatibility layer (it is not finished yet, and I can't afford to stop pushing out bug fixes and new features for a few months while I do a re

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-07 Thread Daniel Miller
On Oct 7, 2008, at 6:10 AM, Phil Thompson wrote: And we could have just as many Viper versions as we'd damn well please within any given Python and Qt release timeframe -- we'd simply import from Viper2, Viper3... rather than Viper. Thoughts? With 20/20 hindsight (starting 10 years ago)

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-05 Thread Phil Thompson
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:11:45 +0200, Simon Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > Phil Thompson wrote: >> Major transitions (Qt3 => Qt4, Python2 => Python3) should be considered >> as >> opportunities for rewrites. They should not be treated as "how can I get >> from one to the other with

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-05 Thread Simon Edwards
Hello, Phil Thompson wrote: Major transitions (Qt3 => Qt4, Python2 => Python3) should be considered as opportunities for rewrites. They should not be treated as "how can I get from one to the other with as few changes as possible". I thought the way the Python guys handled Python 3 was very go

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-04 Thread Detlev Offenbach
On Samstag, 4. Oktober 2008, Phil Thompson wrote: > On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:45:12 -0700, Glenn Linderman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > On approximately 10/3/2008 4:25 PM, came the following characters from > > > > the keyboard of Phil Thompson: > >> Personally I think "compatibility wrappers" a

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-04 Thread Giovanni Bajo
On sab, 2008-10-04 at 00:25 +0100, Phil Thompson wrote: > On the other hand, if you did write it correctly in the first place > (something I've never managed) PyQt4 for Python2 will be maintained > for several years - certainly while new versions of Python2 are > released. This is good to know, s

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Phil Thompson
On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:45:12 -0700, Glenn Linderman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On approximately 10/3/2008 4:25 PM, came the following characters from > the keyboard of Phil Thompson: >> Personally I think "compatibility wrappers" are a waste of time and >> effort. >> There are times when you rea

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Phil Thompson
On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:42:53 -0700, Glenn Linderman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On approximately 10/3/2008 8:18 AM, came the following characters from > the keyboard of Phil Thompson: >> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:11:19 +0200, Detlev Offenbach >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> will t

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Paul A. Giannaros
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Mark Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2008-10-03, Paul A. Giannaros wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Mark Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On 2008-10-03, Phil Thompson wrote: >> >> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:11:19 +0200, Detlev Offenbach >>

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Andreas Pakulat
On 03.10.08 21:59:14, Mark Summerfield wrote: > On 2008-10-03, Paul A. Giannaros wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Mark Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 2008-10-03, Phil Thompson wrote: > > >> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:11:19 +0200, Detlev Offenbach > > > > > > Here's my personal

Writing a PyQT4 app "today" (was Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0)

2008-10-03 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Glenn Linderman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [ snip ] > My personal situation is that I have only recently begun writing my > first major PyQt application, using Python 2.5 and PyQt 4. This will > take me "a while" also. Depending on how long our "a while"s are, I >

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Mark Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2008-10-03, Paul A. Giannaros wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Mark Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On 2008-10-03, Phil Thompson wrote: >> >> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:11:19 +0200, Detlev Offenbach >>

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Mark Summerfield
On 2008-10-03, Paul A. Giannaros wrote: > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Mark Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 2008-10-03, Phil Thompson wrote: > >> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:11:19 +0200, Detlev Offenbach > > > > Here's my personal "wish list" for Python 3/PyQt4 (including those that > >

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Daniel Miller
On Oct 3, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Paul A. Giannaros wrote: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Mark Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2008-10-03, Phil Thompson wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:11:19 +0200, Detlev Offenbach Here's my personal "wish list" for Python 3/PyQt4 (including those that P

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Paul A. Giannaros
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Mark Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2008-10-03, Phil Thompson wrote: >> On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:11:19 +0200, Detlev Offenbach > Here's my personal "wish list" for Python 3/PyQt4 (including those that > Phil is going to do as he says above): > > - No QStrin

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Mark Summerfield
On 2008-10-03, Phil Thompson wrote: > On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:11:19 +0200, Detlev Offenbach > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > will there be PyQt4 support for Python 3.0 once it goes final? > > Not straight away. I will take the opportunity to break backwards > compatibility (eg. removing

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Phil Thompson
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:11:19 +0200, Detlev Offenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > will there be PyQt4 support for Python 3.0 once it goes final? Not straight away. I will take the opportunity to break backwards compatibility (eg. removing QVariant, QString, QChar, QByteArray etc), and thos

[PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Detlev Offenbach
Hi, will there be PyQt4 support for Python 3.0 once it goes final? Regards, Detlev -- Detlev Offenbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PyQt mailing listPyQt@riverbankcomputing.com http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/mailman/listinfo/pyqt