Re: groff to mandoc

2013-07-04 Thread Jan Stary
Hi Ingo, > Oh well, but please make sure *first* you yourself understand > thoroughly what you are talking about. Right now, that doesn't > seem to be the case, yet. Misleading upstream projects into > *about* the right direction but subtly mixing the education > with bad advice is *not* helping

Re: groff to mandoc

2013-07-02 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, i just had a brief look at the way procmail formats its manuals. That's among the weirdest things i have seen so far with respect to handling man(7) code - in German, you would say "von hinten durch die Brust ins Auge". A perfect example to explain how nobody should ever do such things. It m

Re: groff to mandoc

2013-07-01 Thread Philip Guenther
On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, Jan Stary wrote: ... > Well, the upstream of procmail is Philip A. Guenther. Not really. procmail has been an orphan for about a decade: the cvs repository was converted to subversion...and then my access stopped working, Stephen wasn't responding, and I found I had better t

Re: groff to mandoc

2013-07-01 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Jan, Jan Stary wrote on Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 05:47:41PM +0200: > On Jun 29 15:08:12, schwa...@usta.de wrote: >> Jan Stary wrote on Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 02:28:55PM +0200: >>> Certain ports require groff because that's what >>> their manpages are written for. >> Manuals specifically written for

Re: groff to mandoc

2013-07-01 Thread Jan Stary
On Jun 29 15:08:12, schwa...@usta.de wrote: > Hi Jan, > > Jan Stary wrote on Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 02:28:55PM +0200: > > > Certain ports require groff because that's what > > their manpages are written for. > > Manuals specifically written for groff (as opposed to for roff in > general) probably

Re: groff to mandoc

2013-06-29 Thread Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas
Ingo Schwarze writes: [...] > Also note that the mdoc(7) and man(7) languages are completely > distinct, they do not have a single common macro. Well, roff(7) > requests can be used in both, but that's bad style in the first > place. > > So, rewriting man(7) to mdoc(7) usually requires to chang

Re: groff to mandoc

2013-06-29 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Jan, Jan Stary wrote on Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 02:28:55PM +0200: > Certain ports require groff because that's what > their manpages are written for. Manuals specifically written for groff (as opposed to for roff in general) probably exist, but i don't think that's the majority of manuals requir

groff to mandoc

2013-06-29 Thread Jan Stary
Certain ports require groff because that's what their manpages are written for. If I understand it correctly, the original manpages get preformated with groff, installed into the .../cat/ directotries, and that's what the user sees eventually. I haven't found the time yet to look into the internal