Re: Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-28 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
On Thursday 28 August 2014 12:21:21 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > Actually, while the fact that choosing formats and units by locale instead > > of directly isn't necessarily a usability problem, presenting all locales > > in a single drop-down _is_ . > > Surely, and almost every bugreport has some

Re: Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-28 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 19:16:29 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > On Wednesday 27 August 2014 11:34:52 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > > In my opinion, this is a very serious usability regression and would > > > stop me from using Plasma 5. Are there any plans to change the > > > behavior/appearance of t

Re: Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-28 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
On Thursday 28 August 2014 10:06:07 John Layt wrote: > Just setting the standard POSIX codes has one very big advantage in > being universal: all apps running under Plasma will respect them, > rather than just KDE apps. If we implement a Qt-only solution then any > POSIX/glibc/Java/Firefox/ > Chrom

Re: Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-28 Thread John Layt
Hi, Just to add to the background (and seeing as I'm the primary culprit in the death of KLocale and the slow pace of improvements to QLocale), there's 2 very big reasons for removing it (and the consequent loss of the customization feature): 1) It was very big and a maintenance burden, especially

Re: Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-28 Thread John Layt
Hi, Just to add to the background (and seeing as I'm the primary culprit in the death of KLocale and the slow pace of improvements to QLocale), there's 2 very big reasons for removing it (and the consequent loss of the customization feature): 1) It was very big and a maintenance burden, especially

Re: Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-28 Thread Martin Klapetek
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:37 AM, John Layt wrote: > On 28 August 2014 09:28, Martin Klapetek > wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Sebastian Kügler > wrote: > >> > >> > >> There's more than just metric and imperial. This page gives you a slight > >> impression of the complexity: > >>

Re: Re: Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-28 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 27 August 2014 19:16:29 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > On Wednesday 27 August 2014 11:34:52 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > > In my opinion, this is a very serious usability regression and would > > > stop me from using Plasma 5. Are there any plans to change the > > > behavior/appearance of thi

Re: Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-28 Thread John Layt
On 28 August 2014 09:31, Harald Sitter wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 3:49 AM, Matthew Ruffalo wrote: >> I still strongly, *strongly* disagree that it's acceptable for a user to >> choose an appropriate locale for override settings. > > Perhaps I am leaning myself way out the window but I think

Re: Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-28 Thread John Layt
On 28 August 2014 09:28, Martin Klapetek wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Sebastian Kügler wrote: >> >> >> There's more than just metric and imperial. This page gives you a slight >> impression of the complexity: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_units#Current_use_of_imperial_uni

Re: Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-28 Thread John Layt
On 28 August 2014 09:28, Martin Klapetek wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Sebastian Kügler wrote: >> >> >> There's more than just metric and imperial. This page gives you a slight >> impression of the complexity: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_units#Current_use_of_imperial_uni

Re: Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-28 Thread John Layt
On 28 August 2014 09:31, Harald Sitter wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 3:49 AM, Matthew Ruffalo wrote: > Perhaps I am leaning myself way out the window but I think there is > one very portable solution to this problem: writing an own locale > defintion [1] and installing&configuring that. And I

Re: Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-28 Thread Harald Sitter
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 3:49 AM, Matthew Ruffalo wrote: > I still strongly, *strongly* disagree that it's acceptable for a user to > choose an appropriate locale for override settings. Perhaps I am leaning myself way out the window but I think there is one very portable solution to this problem:

Re: Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-28 Thread Martin Klapetek
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > There's more than just metric and imperial. This page gives you a slight > impression of the complexity: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_units#Current_use_of_imperial_units > > A binary combobox is just not enough to portray th

Re: Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-28 Thread Matthew Ruffalo
On 08/27/2014 01:16 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > On Wednesday 27 August 2014 11:34:52 Sebastian Kügler wrote: >>> In my opinion, this is a very serious usability regression and would >>> stop me from using Plasma 5. Are there any plans to change the >>> behavior/appearance of this settings applet?

Re: Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-27 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
On Wednesday 27 August 2014 11:34:52 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > In my opinion, this is a very serious usability regression and would > > stop me from using Plasma 5. Are there any plans to change the > > behavior/appearance of this settings applet? > > I don't know what it is, but anytime someome

Re: Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-27 Thread Sebastian Kügler
Hi Matthew, Thanks for your feedback regarding locale settings. Find some explanations for the changes below. On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 13:04:10 Matthew Ruffalo wrote: > I've been a long-time KDE user, and I must say that Plasma 5 looks > *great*. Everything looks very polished and I'm looking

Re: Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-26 Thread Martin Klapetek
Hey, thanks for getting in touch. Let me give you a little back story. In KDE4 we used to have our own "layer" of formatting. It was called KLocale and was part of kdelibs, aka the KDE Platform. This was very powerful and allowed doing exactly the thing you describe. Now with the KDE Frameworks

Re: Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-26 Thread Christoph Feck
On Tuesday 26 August 2014 19:04:10 Matthew Ruffalo wrote: > I searched the bug tracker for anything related to this and only > found https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337563 It is already reported as bug 337573. But even if you did not find it, in the future please do not report it here but on

Re: Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-26 Thread Matthew Ruffalo
Clarification: On 08/26/2014 01:04 PM, Matthew Ruffalo wrote: > would stop me from using Plasma 5. Are there any plans to change the > behavior/appearance of this settings applet? This functionality would *not* stop me from using Plasma 5 -- it's a fantastic piece of work. It would only be a minor

Request: better override functionality in locale settings

2014-08-26 Thread Matthew Ruffalo
Hello- I've been a long-time KDE user, and I must say that Plasma 5 looks *great*. Everything looks very polished and I'm looking forward to using it on a stable Linux distribution. In all of my usage of KDE, I've always greatly appreciated how customizable the locale settings are. I live in the