D29501: Use left-aligned thickened panel with IOTM populated with some apps by default

clel added a comment. Although too late, since this might be revisited some day: I basically like a vertical panel, although I cannot say whether I prefer it to a horizontal one. Both seem to have their pros and cons. Also I really see the advantages of this solution. However just changi

D29501: Use left-aligned thickened panel with IOTM populated with some apps by default

ngraham abandoned this revision. ngraham added a comment. We discussed this and D27845 at the virtual plasma sprint today and concludes that we should probably do the horizontal version. Nobody overtly hated this proposal, but issues displaying the clock+

D29501: Use left-aligned thickened panel with IOTM populated with some apps by default

ngraham added a comment. In D29501#669458 , @ndavis wrote: > That's a good point. Is there a way to choose a different default layout based on info about the user's setup? I think choosing layouts based on the user's hardware may be necessary to

D29501: Use left-aligned thickened panel with IOTM populated with some apps by default

ndavis added a comment. That's a good point. Is there a way to choose a different default layout based on info about the user's setup? I think choosing layouts based on the user's hardware may be necessary to get defaults that please most people while still being touch friendly in contexts w

D29501: Use left-aligned thickened panel with IOTM populated with some apps by default

ngraham added a comment. In D29501#667413 , @ndavis wrote: > I agree with the size chosen if we are doing a vertical panel since that size allows app icons to be 48px and makes the systray more compact by using 2 columns. However, I can't think

D29501: Use left-aligned thickened panel with IOTM populated with some apps by default

ndavis added a comment. I agree with the size chosen if we are doing a vertical panel, but I can't think of any way to justify this change in a way that I find satisfactory. There's no clear improvement over using a horizontal panel, just tradeoffs. REPOSITORY R119 Plasma Desktop REVISION

D29501: Use left-aligned thickened panel with IOTM populated with some apps by default

niccolove added a comment. Generic +1 to the idea, but: - I would not go higher than 50 as panel width - The clock is too small, it probably needs a version where there's a new line between hour and minutes - We should check that all widgets work correctly in a vertical panel REPOSIT

D29501: Use left-aligned thickened panel with IOTM populated with some apps by default

felixernst added a comment. +1 to this change. Having the exact same panel and buttons on the left instead of at the bottom is a change that IMO even the most computer-illiterate Windows user should have no major trouble adapting to. Anyone else can change the panel position if they want t

D29501: Use left-aligned thickened panel with IOTM populated with some apps by default

ngraham added a comment. In D29501#665639 , @filipf wrote: > If user data would show low vertical panel usage, what are we really fixing and for who? Extrapolating from that and presuming that a fair share of them are content with the current de

D29501: Use left-aligned thickened panel with IOTM populated with some apps by default

filipf added a comment. If user data would show low vertical panel usage, what are we really fixing and for who? Extrapolating from that and presuming that a fair share of them are content with the current default, why do we go against that? And if it's just a matter of not touching defaults

D29501: Use left-aligned thickened panel with IOTM populated with some apps by default

ngraham added a comment. I don't know if I agree that "Looks like Windows" is a part of Plasma's brand identity, or should be. If anything, we're like //ancient// Windows, with a Windows-95-style Task Manager that everyone else has since moved away from; even Windows itself has used an Icons

D29501: Use left-aligned thickened panel with IOTM populated with some apps by default

davidedmundson added a comment. > There's going to be enough breakage as it is, let's do things that can be done now, now, instead of waiting for some nebulous "Plasma 6". That's a good argument when it comes to adding new code. For flipping defaults it doesn't really apply. We support

D29501: Use left-aligned thickened panel with IOTM populated with some apps by default

ahiemstra added a comment. > This is a major identity change better suited for Plasma 6. I disagree. I would like Plasma 6 to be a really uneventful release, not one that has a whole bunch of changes. There's going to be enough breakage as it is, let's do things that can be done now, now

D29501: Use left-aligned thickened panel with IOTM populated with some apps by default

filipf added a comment. I'd also be interested if #kde_promo has any insights here. It doesn't seem (?) like we advertise it too much, but I know reviews often praise Plasma for its familiarity for Windows users. Given our major competitor does th

D29501: Use left-aligned thickened panel with IOTM populated with some apps by default

broulik added a comment. > Switching to it would also require user data. How many users use a vertical panel? Yes, please! It also imho depends on the usecase. On a laptop you're more likely to use a left vertical panel than on a giant desktop setup with multiple monitors. REPOSITORY

D29501: Use left-aligned thickened panel with IOTM populated with some apps by default

filipf requested changes to this revision. filipf added a comment. This revision now requires changes to proceed. This is a major identity change better suited for Plasma 6. We've never had a vertical panel and are moreover defined by offering a layout familiar to Windows users. Switchin

D29501: Use left-aligned thickened panel with IOTM populated with some apps by default

ngraham added a comment. JFYI I know this kind of thing needs a lot of discussion so I'm not gonna rush to land it if people accept or offer +1s, so don't be shy about that. :) REPOSITORY R119 Plasma Desktop REVISION DETAIL https://phabricator.kde.org/D29501 To: ngraham, #vdg, #plasma C

D29501: Use left-aligned thickened panel with IOTM populated with some apps by default

ngraham created this revision. ngraham added reviewers: VDG, Plasma. Herald added a project: Plasma. Herald added a subscriber: plasma-devel. ngraham requested review of this revision. REVISION SUMMARY D27845 seems to have turned into a compromise that nobod