Re: PlasMate && KDevplatform issue

2009-06-24 Thread David Nolden
Sorry I'm still on this list, somehow the unregistering didn't work. Anyway now to the subject: In what way are you integrating with kdevplatform here? And more importantly: Why don't you make plasmate a fully kdevplatform based application? kdevplatform is built exactly for such kinds of appli

Re: KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/battery

2009-06-06 Thread David Nolden
Am Samstag 06 Juni 2009 17:51:23 schrieben Sie: > David, > > On Saturday 06 June 2009 13:40:34 David Nolden wrote: > > Am Samstag 06 Juni 2009 12:34:33 schrieb Sebastian Kügler: > > > On Saturday 06 June 2009 12:01:26 David Nolden wrote: > > > > Why did you do

Re: KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/battery

2009-06-06 Thread David Nolden
Am Samstag 06 Juni 2009 17:07:42 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: > here's my one and only email in this thread ... > > On Saturday 06 June 2009, David Nolden wrote: > > Am Samstag 06 Juni 2009 03:02:37 schrieb Sebastian Kügler: > > > I've disabled this feature for now

Re: KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/battery

2009-06-06 Thread David Nolden
Am Samstag 06 Juni 2009 15:31:08 schrieb Artur Souza(MoRpHeUz): > We discussed because we wanted to argue with each other and try to convince > others about our opinions. But this is not about "decision making in a > community", otherwise it would be just up to Aaron as he is the maintainer > of th

Re: KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/battery

2009-06-06 Thread David Nolden
Am Samstag 06 Juni 2009 15:31:08 schrieb Artur Souza(MoRpHeUz): > We discussed because we wanted to argue with each other and try to convince > others about our opinions. But this is not about "decision making in a > community", otherwise it would be just up to Aaron as he is the maintainer > of th

Re: KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/battery

2009-06-06 Thread David Nolden
Am Samstag 06 Juni 2009 14:58:47 schrieb Artur Souza(MoRpHeUz): > Please guys, let's not make a storm in a cup of water: let's choose one > behavior and see if users opens too many bugs for it and we fix it in the > next versions. Don't fight with each other for a plasmoid's feature :) That's not h

Re: KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/battery

2009-06-06 Thread David Nolden
Am Samstag 06 Juni 2009 14:58:47 schrieb Artur Souza(MoRpHeUz): > Please guys, let's not make a storm in a cup of water: let's choose one > behavior and see if users opens too many bugs for it and we fix it in the > next versions. Don't fight with each other for a plasmoid's feature :) That's not h

Re: KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/battery

2009-06-06 Thread David Nolden
Am Samstag 06 Juni 2009 14:03:37 schrieb Marco Martin: > On Saturday 06 June 2009, David Nolden wrote: > > Am Samstag 06 Juni 2009 03:02:37 schrieb Sebastian Kügler: > > > I've disabled this feature for now since it doesn't work well enough > > > in a lot of ca

Re: KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/battery

2009-06-06 Thread David Nolden
Am Samstag 06 Juni 2009 12:34:33 schrieb Sebastian Kügler: > On Saturday 06 June 2009 12:01:26 David Nolden wrote: > > Why did you do this? From what I see, it should be "opt-out for geeks". > > To sum up the discussion we had: > > > > 90% Pro remaining time

Re: KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/battery

2009-06-06 Thread David Nolden
Am Samstag 06 Juni 2009 12:34:33 schrieb Sebastian Kügler: > In fact, users like me and you who on the one side know that the time > reported can never be accurate can also easily change it back. Therefore > opt-in. But those users who _really_ want it can not easily enable it. Yes, I'm talking ab

Re: KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/battery

2009-06-06 Thread David Nolden
Am Samstag 06 Juni 2009 12:34:33 schrieb Sebastian Kügler: > On Saturday 06 June 2009 12:01:26 David Nolden wrote: > > Why did you do this? From what I see, it should be "opt-out for geeks". > > To sum up the discussion we had: > > > > 90% Pro remaining time

Re: KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/battery

2009-06-06 Thread David Nolden
Am Samstag 06 Juni 2009 12:34:33 schrieb Sebastian Kügler: > In fact, users like me and you who on the one side know that the time > reported can never be accurate can also easily change it back. Therefore > opt-in. But those users who _really_ want it can not easily enable it. Yes, I'm talking ab

Re: KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/battery

2009-06-06 Thread David Nolden
Am Samstag 06 Juni 2009 03:02:37 schrieb Sebastian Kügler: > I've disabled this feature for now since it doesn't work well enough > in a lot of cases. For those that really can't live without that > information, you can still enable it in the config, add a line such > as: Btw. please disable deskto

Re: KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/battery

2009-06-06 Thread David Nolden
Am Samstag 06 Juni 2009 03:02:37 schrieb Sebastian Kügler: > SVN commit 978089 by sebas: > > showing the remaining time is now opt-in for geeks > > - Only show the time in the popup when m_showRemainingTime is true > - m_showRemainingTime can still be set manually in the config file > - Removed opt

Re: Configuring time and date from context menu of digital-clock applet

2009-05-28 Thread David Nolden
Am Donnerstag 28 Mai 2009 17:54:24 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: > > PS: By the way, there is a bug about time configuration. By default, > > update interval of digital-clock plasmoid is 60 seconds when showSeconds > > is false, and 1 second if it's true. If you change time from clock kcm > > and showSec

Re: battery plasmoid and remaining time..

2009-05-17 Thread David Nolden
Am Sonntag 17 Mai 2009 20:22:30 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: > On Thursday 14 May 2009, Chani wrote: > > On May 14, 2009 13:25:19 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > > On Thursday 14 May 2009, David Nolden wrote: > > > > Yes maybe, but to the average user the percentage will be

Re: battery plasmoid and remaining time..

2009-05-15 Thread David Nolden
Am Freitag 15 Mai 2009 09:25:00 schrieb Eduardo Robles Elvira: > * It's difficult to calculate accurately and we cannot predict the > future, and some devices are broken. But if we relay on recent battery > usage and percentage of battery left, which I've experienced both are > fairly accurate meas

Re: battery plasmoid and remaining time..

2009-05-14 Thread David Nolden
Am Donnerstag 14 Mai 2009 22:25:19 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: > On Thursday 14 May 2009, David Nolden wrote: > > Yes maybe, but to the average user the percentage will be a near useless > > number. > > so people don't find the battery indicator on their cell phone useful

Re: battery plasmoid and remaining time..

2009-05-14 Thread David Nolden
Am Donnerstag 14 Mai 2009 17:32:56 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: > On Thursday 14 May 2009, David Nolden wrote: > but our calculation will still be wrong. and that's a cardinal rule: the > user is allowed to get it wrong. the computer can't without diminishing > trust in t

Re: battery plasmoid and remaining time..

2009-05-14 Thread David Nolden
Am Donnerstag 14 Mai 2009 12:40:35 schrieb Nuno Pinheiro: > A Thursday 14 May 2009 11:10:29, Casper Clemence escreveu: > > There are two questions > > > > 1) what is the most useful (or conversely, misleading) information for > > the user 2) what is pleasant/pretty for the user > > > > My experienc

Re: battery plasmoid and remaining time..

2009-05-14 Thread David Nolden
I do like the "remaining time" feature. Even if it's not 100% accurate, it's accurate enough, and it would be a big loss not having it. Why not just change it to "Approx. remaining time", and you're fine. The proposed "Time since last charge" would be a very useful addition, but not a replaceme

Re: Transparent themes without composition

2009-05-04 Thread David Nolden
Am Montag 04 Mai 2009 16:40:17 schrieb Marco Martin: > On Monday 04 May 2009, David Nolden wrote: > > Ok now let's forget this whole past part of the discussion, and start new > > in a productive manner. > > > > The feature freeze will start today, so in order to g

Re: Transparent themes without composition

2009-05-04 Thread David Nolden
Ok now let's forget this whole past part of the discussion, and start new in a productive manner. The feature freeze will start today, so in order to get at least something useful into KDE 4.3, I now propose this: - The Theme section of the plasma configuration file contains an additional confi

Re: Transparent themes without composition

2009-05-03 Thread David Nolden
Am Sonntag 03 Mai 2009 20:37:51 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: > On Sunday 03 May 2009, David Nolden wrote: > > @Aaron: I know the real part of this discussion is long over for a long > > time. Now I just have to defend against all those who are telling to me > > that the proble

Re: Transparent themes without composition

2009-05-03 Thread David Nolden
Am Sonntag 03 Mai 2009 19:56:05 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: > a fundamental challenge in this conversation is that for you the definition > of "good looking desktop" includes "a panel that looks like its > translucent". for the rest of us, we see that as a nice to have item only > and therefore perfect

Re: Transparent themes without composition

2009-05-03 Thread David Nolden
Am Sonntag 03 Mai 2009 00:20:13 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: > I very much doubt that any Linux distribution including KDE 4.3 will not > provide at least XRender compositing with *any* hardware. If you own such a > hardware you should report a bug report to X developers requesting support. Btw. just be

Re: Transparent themes without composition

2009-05-03 Thread David Nolden
Am Sonntag 03 Mai 2009 16:39:00 schrieb Zack Rusin: > On Sunday 03 May 2009 07:08:34 David Nolden wrote: > > If you think gallium will rescue me then first finish it, and then come > > back discussing with me. > > Gallium is finished. Fine. Then it obviou

Re: Transparent themes without composition

2009-05-03 Thread David Nolden
Am Sonntag 03 Mai 2009 03:53:15 schrieb Zack Rusin: > So first you don't even have the time to check the name of the hardware > you're referring to (Intel doesn't have a GMA with number 955), then you > make a completely bogus statement (even the very first initial GMA 900 had > were fully capable

Re: Transparent themes without composition

2009-05-02 Thread David Nolden
Am Sonntag 03 Mai 2009 00:20:13 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: > I very much doubt that any Linux distribution including KDE 4.3 will not > provide at least XRender compositing with *any* hardware. If you own such a > hardware you should report a bug report to X developers requesting support. Intel GMA 95

Re: Transparent themes without composition

2009-05-02 Thread David Nolden
Am Samstag 02 Mai 2009 17:37:00 schrieb Marco Martin: > > Composition is simply not an option. And for some users, it never will. > > if it never will, linux desktop has simply blatantly failed, because it > means it reached the maximum it can do nd no further evolution is possible, > so in the nex

RE: Transparent themes without composition

2009-05-01 Thread David Nolden
>On Friday 01 May 2009, David Nolden wrote: >> This already looks quite nice. But since many plasma themes have a glassy >> look, they highly profit from something more shining through them, since >> that's the only way they can retain that look. Transparency is not &g

Transparent themes without composition

2009-05-01 Thread David Nolden
I want to raise a discussion here how to make transparent themes look nice without composition support. So: When a theme designer makes a theme transparent, then he wants something to show through the theme. Without composition, the window manager will not supply that background, so in order to

Re: Review Request: Add a generic mechanism to render solid backgrounds behind plasma frames

2009-04-20 Thread David Nolden
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Re: Review Request: Add a generic mechanism to render solid backgrounds behind plasma frames

2009-04-17 Thread David Nolden
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Re: Review Request: Add a generic mechanism to render solid backgrounds behind plasma frames

2009-04-15 Thread David Nolden
his is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/591/#review924 --- On 2009-04-14 16:00:50, David Nolden wrote: > > ---

Review Request: Add a generic mechanism to render solid backgrounds behind plasma frames

2009-04-14 Thread David Nolden
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/591/ --- Review request for Plasma. Summary --- This allows making transparent themes

Re: Review Request: Much less flickering when there is no backing store

2009-04-13 Thread David Nolden
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Re: Review Request: Support for transparent panel without composition

2009-04-04 Thread David Nolden
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Re: Review Request: Support for transparent panel without composition

2009-04-04 Thread David Nolden
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Re: Review Request: Support for transparent panel without composition

2009-04-04 Thread David Nolden
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Re: Review Request: Much less flickering when there is no backing store

2009-04-01 Thread David Nolden
- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/488/#review766 --- On 2009-03-31 17:11:55, David Nolden wrote: > > --- > This is

Re: Review Request: Much less flickering when there is no backing store

2009-03-31 Thread David Nolden
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Re: Review Request: Much less flickering when there is no backing store

2009-03-31 Thread David Nolden
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Review Request: Much less flickering when there is no backing store

2009-03-31 Thread David Nolden
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/488/ --- Review request for Plasma. Summary --- Remember the background image used fo

Re: Review Request: Support for transparent panel without composition

2009-03-30 Thread David Nolden
t the background to the same as the wallpaper, he would have a transparency-like effect without a hack. - David --- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/472/#review746

Re: Review Request: Support for transparent panel without composition

2009-03-30 Thread David Nolden
Am Montag 30 März 2009 21:32:47 schrieb Alexis Ménard: > That is not completly true. With composition we let the graphics card do it > for us. We fill the background transparent that is all. You don't do that for plasmoids, do you? > In your case at each paintEvent on the panel you will end up to

Re: Review Request: Support for transparent panel without composition

2009-03-30 Thread David Nolden
ncy would be a > > really bad idea there), and extender items (needed for creating the pixmap > > used while dragging an item around). And having a fake transparent panel > > combined with a opaque plasma dialog connected to it would look. a bit > > odd imo. > > &

Re: Review Request: Support for transparent panel without composition

2009-03-30 Thread David Nolden
ncy would be a > > really bad idea there), and extender items (needed for creating the pixmap > > used while dragging an item around). And having a fake transparent panel > > combined with a opaque plasma dialog connected to it would look. a bit > > odd imo. > > &

Re: Review Request: Support for transparent panel without composition

2009-03-30 Thread David Nolden
Just because composition works for you does not mean it works for everyone. Also, you shouldn't tell people they need to buy new hardware, just so they can do something that there hardware is perfectly capable of(That is _that other OS_ style ;-) - David ---

Re: Review Request: Support for transparent panel without composition

2009-03-30 Thread David Nolden
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Re: Review Request: Support for transparent panel without composition

2009-03-30 Thread David Nolden
context of modern > systems. and i'm not about to wait until we're the last ones doing it wrong > to make the right decisions. being the first to make those decisions is not > easy, and sure, being the Nth person afterwards to follow along and makes > those decisions is easy. but

Re: Review Request: Support for transparent panel without composition

2009-03-30 Thread David Nolden
to really many _present_ users, so please think that position over again.. I fail to see how this can bring you into a maintenance nightmare. - David --- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/472/#review712 -

Review Request: Support for transparent panel without composition

2009-03-30 Thread David Nolden
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/472/ --- Review request for Plasma. Summary --- Many people can not, or do not want t

Review Request: Add a flag to tell the containtment that the interface should be blended onto the background, instead of copying over it

2009-03-30 Thread David Nolden
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/471/ --- Review request for Plasma. Summary --- Add a flag to tell the containtment t