2011/10/2 Michael Pyne :
> On Sunday, October 02, 2011 19:52:09 Dario Freddi wrote:
>> On Sunday 02 October 2011 19:35:15 Michael Pyne wrote:
>> > And even assuming the user knows how to do this, if they want to change
>> > power management options we are saying that they need to duplicate an
>> >
For people interested, this is how the new config UI+Battery plasmoid
are roughly going to look like, to finally throw away the concerns
about the configurability and the ¨presentation¨-like things.
http://vimeo.com/29919817
Vimeo is broken apparently, but you can still download the video. Hope
t
Btw, I would like to leave the readers, mainly the two who are
accusing me of being a d**k, an exercise and count how many times the
following questions came up:
-Ok but I cannot watch my videos anymore
-I will not be able to configure my profiles anymore
-Blahblah I want to do power management
2011/10/2 David Jarvie :
> On Sunday 02 October 2011 18:47:19 Dario Freddi wrote:
>> On Sunday 02 October 2011 19:34:42 Andreas Pakulat wrote:
>> > That leaves out the use-case of not wanting to inhibit all aspects of
>> > the current power-save mode, but only a part by switching to a different
>>
2011/10/2 todd rme :
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Dario Freddi wrote:
>> On Sunday 02 October 2011 21:03:45 todd rme wrote:
>>> Thinking over the conversation a bit, I think the disagreement stems
>>> not from the activities vs. profiles issue, but rather different
>>> expectations about what
2011/10/2 Scott Kitterman :
> On Sunday, October 02, 2011 09:28:42 PM Dario Freddi wrote:
>> No, sorry to say that again. There are two categories of people: those who
>> know what they are talking about and those who don't. Your understanding of
>> this categorization is coming from the fact that
2011/10/2 Scott Kitterman :
> On Sunday, October 02, 2011 08:37:58 PM Dario Freddi wrote:
>> On Sunday 02 October 2011 20:31:37 Martin Gräßlin wrote:
>> > And that's now exactly the point: if you don't have any clue about what
>> > is happening your "I want to save power and not let the computer
>
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Dario Freddi wrote:
> On Sunday 02 October 2011 21:03:45 todd rme wrote:
>> Thinking over the conversation a bit, I think the disagreement stems
>> not from the activities vs. profiles issue, but rather different
>> expectations about what power management is and wh
On Sunday, October 02, 2011 20:31:11 Dario Freddi wrote:
> I don't think so. Every other system does a similar thing: there is no
> use in saving battery when you're on AC, when you are on battery
> these components are turned off. I don't think this should be
> configurable at all, and to a certai
On Sunday 02 October 2011 21:03:45 todd rme wrote:
> Thinking over the conversation a bit, I think the disagreement stems
> not from the activities vs. profiles issue, but rather different
> expectations about what power management is and what it should do.
> People seem to be talking past each ot
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wrote:
> On Saturday 01 October 2011 16:27:48 Dario Freddi wrote:
>> Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting.
>>
>> Hopefully, this solution will please everyone and
On Sunday 02 October 2011 20:31:37 Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> And that's now exactly the point: if you don't have any clue about what is
> happening your "I want to save power and not let the computer decide"
> might be much worse than what the computer would do.
No matter how many times I will quot
On Sunday 02 October 2011 19:57:33 Andras Mantia wrote:
> On Sunday, October 02, 2011 17:04:50 Martin Gr��lin wrote:
> > So please calmn down and lets focus on improving the user experience
> > by not spending too much time on too long� threads.
>
> I'm far from being upset or anything. I just gav
On Sunday 02 October 2011 21:09:00 Andras Mantia wrote:
> On Sunday, October 02, 2011 14:45:58 Dario Freddi wrote:
> > > That was one example. Another example brought up is e.g switching of
> > > strigi or nepomuk indexing when switching to a power saving profile.
> > > These two are something that
On Sunday 02 October 2011 20:09:00 Andras Mantia wrote:
> On Sunday, October 02, 2011 14:45:58 Dario Freddi wrote:
> > > That was one example. Another example brought up is e.g switching of
> > > strigi or nepomuk indexing when switching to a power saving profile.
> > > These two are something that
On Sunday, October 02, 2011 17:04:50 Martin Gr��lin wrote:
> So please calmn down and lets focus on improving the user experience
> by not spending too much time on too long� threads.
I'm far from being upset or anything. I just gave my opinion, which
seems to match others as well. We were *asked
On Sunday, October 02, 2011 14:45:58 Dario Freddi wrote:
> > That was one example. Another example brought up is e.g switching of
> > strigi or nepomuk indexing when switching to a power saving profile.
> > These two are something that usually kick in when you are in idle
> > mode, exactly when the
On Sunday 02 October 2011 20:03:47 Stefan Majewsky wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Dario Freddi wrote:
> > I still haven't found a "you're
> > right" after a thousand times I've been explaining the only real saver
> > you can configure is brightness, and this kinda concerns me.
>
> You a
On Sunday 02 October 2011 19:51:11 Stefan Majewsky wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Dario Freddi wrote:
> > I will conclude the argument by saying that the
> > skepticals can now check out, in kde-workspace, my branch dafre/new-
> > powerdevil, which is implementing everything I said (new
On Sunday 02 October 2011 19:48:03 Michael Pyne wrote:
> Yes, actually. But if the movie player doesn't do this, why should we
> forbid the user from being able to easily do it?
Oh my god. People, you need to get your acts together and learn to read before
crazy-post. I stated a number of times
On Sunday 02 October 2011 19:34:42 Andreas Pakulat wrote:
> That leaves out the use-case of not wanting to inhibit all aspects of
> the current power-save mode, but only a part by switching to a different
> mode that is similar but differs in one or two aspects. I can think for
> example for powers
On Sunday 02 October 2011 17:04:50 Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> On Saturday 01 October 2011 16:27:48 Dario Freddi wrote:
> > Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting.
> >
> > Hopefully, this solution will please everyone and will make activities
> > even more useful. Do you like it? More suggestions? Spe
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> On Saturday 01 October 2011 16:27:48 Dario Freddi wrote:
>> Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting.
>>
>> Hopefully, this solution will please everyone and will make activities even
>> more useful. Do you like it? More suggestions? Speak now
On Saturday 01 October 2011 16:27:48 Dario Freddi wrote:
> Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting.
>
> Hopefully, this solution will please everyone and will make activities even
> more useful. Do you like it? More suggestions? Speak now or shut up forever!
Hi all,
I urge everyone to calm down ab
On Sunday 02 October 2011 16:33:05 Dario Freddi wrote:
> support for changing the CPU
> governor has been removed
... from all userspace tools. Sorry this bit didn't get in for any reason.
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On Sunday 02 October 2011 16:26:16 Markus Slopianka wrote:
> On Samstag 01 Oktober 2011 16:27:48 Dario Freddi wrote:
> > We focused on simplicity,
> > still without losing power-user features
>
> Quite frankly: What you describe sounds way more complicated. Don't see any
> simplicity in your propo
after reading the full thread i think i'm ok with everything, but...
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Dario Freddi wrote:
> The first, important part: we plan to remove the "Warning" step
can you please just leave a notification for this? even if it doesn't
trigger a profile change, it's very use
> > > So I think there are more settings then display brightness (that
> > > you usually can control anyway with an Fn shortcut on laptops).
> >
> > Again, as I said before, I am pretty sure there are no settings except
> > brightness which require you to change to a different profile - in
> > fac
On Saturday 01 October 2011 21.02.19 Dario Freddi wrote:
[...]
> > Also please do not remove the possibility to change how a certain state
> > should look like. So far I've always changed the "on battery" profile.
>
> I think there is a certain misunderstanding here. I have said the
> possibility
On Saturday 01 October 2011 20.33.06 Andras Mantia wrote:
> On Saturday, October 01, 2011 16:27:48 Dario Freddi wrote:
> > Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting.
> >
> > [...]
>
> I can't comment on activities, never used them, nor feel the need to use
> them. So this sounds more like the power
On Saturday 01 October 2011 16.27.48 Dario Freddi wrote:
> Suppose you want to have an activity named "Sleep", in which you watch a
> movie, and the PC will shutdown after 90 mins of inactivity. In this case,
> you would just specify to override the "Suspend Session" action. Or, you
> want to hav
On Sunday 02 October 2011 15:04:35 Alberto Villa wrote:
> can you please just leave a notification for this? even if it doesn't
> trigger a profile change, it's very useful to know that the battery is
> going to die soon
Makes sense indeed
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On Sunday, October 02, 2011 14:27:03 Dario Freddi wrote:
> On Sunday 02 October 2011 02:35:34 Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > Dario Freddi wrote:
> > > we plan to remove the "Warning" step
> >
> >
> >
> > Uhm, wait a minute… Do you mean you will just suspend or shut down the
> > machine with no warning wh
On Sunday 02 October 2011 11:22:45 todd rme wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Thomas Zander wrote:
> >> I mean, the profile can be changed by switching Activities, so what is
> >> the technical reason it cannot be done by the user directly? The reason
> >> I'm concerned is that it takes co
On Sunday 02 October 2011 09:51:35 todd rme wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Dario Freddi wrote:
> > On Saturday 01 October 2011 21:30:02 Lukas wrote:
> >> Both are quite unusual but possible situations, but creating new
> >> activity and moving all files/settings does not pay off.
> >
>
On Sunday 02 October 2011 12:04:15 Andras Mantia wrote:
> On Saturday, October 01, 2011 23:13:06 Dario Freddi wrote:
> > > Is it? Certainly disabling desktop effects and 3D acceleration has
> > > an
> > > impact.
> >
> > Sorry to disappoint you, but this action will be removed in 4.8.
> > Martin h
On Sunday 02 October 2011 02:35:34 Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Dario Freddi wrote:
> > we plan to remove the "Warning" step
>
> Uhm, wait a minute… Do you mean you will just suspend or shut down the
> machine with no warning whatsoever?
You are confusing it with the "Critical" step, which is obviously
On Sunday 02 October 2011 14:15:01 Luca Beltrame wrote:
> In data domenica 02 ottobre 2011 10:43:43, Ivan Čukić ha scritto:
>
> > It needs to specify that "no X Screensavers" doesn't mean "no screensavers"
>
> krop on IRC raised an interesting question: is this "drop of support" related
> to just s
In data domenica 02 ottobre 2011 10:43:43, Ivan Čukić ha scritto:
> It needs to specify that "no X Screensavers" doesn't mean "no screensavers"
krop on IRC raised an interesting question: is this "drop of support" related
to just support, or also library dependencies? This because some stuff such
On Sunday 02 October 2011 13:27:13 Luca Beltrame wrote:
> In data domenica 02 ottobre 2011 12:19:02, Martin Gräßlin ha scritto:
>
> > Poll created: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?ff&t�102
>
> I just blogged about this, so the poll gets more exposure.
cool thanks - I plan to also blog about it t
In data domenica 02 ottobre 2011 12:19:02, Martin Gräßlin ha scritto:
> Poll created: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?ff&t102
I just blogged about this, so the poll gets more exposure.
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On Sunday 02 October 2011 22:07:30 Ben Cooksley wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> > On Sunday 02 October 2011 09:26:34 Luca Beltrame wrote:
> >> In data domenica 02 ottobre 2011 02:47:49, Kevin Kofler ha scritto:
> >>
> >> > without a custom Plasma init script enabli
On Saturday, October 01, 2011 23:13:06 Dario Freddi wrote:
> > Is it? Certainly disabling desktop effects and 3D acceleration has
> > an
> > impact.
>
> Sorry to disappoint you, but this action will be removed in 4.8.
> Martin has explicitely stated that for how compositing in KDE works
> now turn
In data domenica 02 ottobre 2011 10:31:32, Martin Gräßlin ha scritto:
> would no longer support X Screensavers? * I would switch to another DE
Is there a good definition of "X" and "non X" screensavers? This is IMO
important to communicate to the userbase as for them they are likely one and
the s
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> On Sunday 02 October 2011 09:26:34 Luca Beltrame wrote:
>> In data domenica 02 ottobre 2011 02:47:49, Kevin Kofler ha scritto:
>>
>> > without a custom Plasma init script enabling the folder view of ~/Desktop
>> > one way or the other (either
> What would you say if KDE Plasma would no longer support X Screensavers?
It needs to specify that "no X Screensavers" doesn't mean "no screensavers"
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On Sunday 02 October 2011 09:26:34 Luca Beltrame wrote:
> In data domenica 02 ottobre 2011 02:47:49, Kevin Kofler ha scritto:
>
> > without a custom Plasma init script enabling the folder view of ~/Desktop
> > one way or the other (either as a widget as in 4.6 or in Fedora 16, or the
> > KDE-3-sty
@Martin
I say kill X screensaver, and we'll make a few cute QML ones to ship instead.
@all
For me, it is not only about X-code versus non-X-code. It is also
about security of scrsaver's execution.
> Probably because the distros are not shipping 4.7 yet. (4.1 to 4.6 actually
> do show desktop ic
In data domenica 02 ottobre 2011 02:47:49, Kevin Kofler ha scritto:
> without a custom Plasma init script enabling the folder view of ~/Desktop
> one way or the other (either as a widget as in 4.6 or in Fedora 16, or the
> KDE-3-style "folder view as desktop" mode), complaints will start popping i
- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung -
> Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > unless we give them something better and communicate with
> > understanding.
>
> Users will not accept your "something better" unless their favorite
> existing screensaver runs on it. No amount of communication can change
> that.
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