Hey all,
this is a two part question but I need just one solution:
1. Can you recommend a good testing software where the choices are multiple
choice (cross a button or radio button)
if nothing great out there... will make this myself so, on to point 2:
2. I have noticed if you are
reat, but plagiarism is faster!
- Smile, everyone loves a moron. :-)
-
Do you Yahoo!?
Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail.
Actually, I tried Fast Template when trying to decide on a "templating
solution", ran into some errors from the main class file/s and didnt get any
help on it... so dumped it.
The forums/lists for SMARTY are really good, very very helpful folks... I
daresay as helpful and great a
Thanks for replying guys.
Paul, Will check out the links you sent me, If its really as good as you say...
should save me a heck of a time coding it, thanks!
Cheers!
Ryan
Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 03:36 -0700, Ryan A wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> thi
Thats why I love this list... people share and help so unselfishly.
Thanks Rich, sure didnt think of the way you wrote the solution till i read
your code!
Have a fab one!
Richard Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I thought of having a hidden text box everytime for each question...
&
Thanks!
Will give it a look-see!
Cheers!
Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's not exactly what you describe, but
you should take a look at:
http://www.bigredspark.com/survey.html
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
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Hey all,
Most of you have seen me long enough on this list and helped me more times than
I want to remember to know that this is not a spam email, that said...
A project has dropped into my lap to clone a site's functionality... rather
than post it on the many freelance job sites as I
This email is send by "Demo Software"
/me wonders if "Demo Software" is at least written in php...
Dont know if its written in php or not but it does prove a point
software is getting more and more user friendly and our pal "Raven Hawk" has
shown us even if
Stut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ryan A wrote:
> Dont know if its written in php or not but it does prove a point
>
> software is getting more and more user friendly and our pal "Raven Hawk" has
> shown us even if both your parents are/were related and you were
Hey there,
I dont mean to be a total pri*k about this, but unless you have created
something that you are willing to share with others and others can use/modify
for their requirements, and you grant them this privilege...I think the norm is
you pay someone to do what you are asking.
What you
Hello,
A little while back there was a discussion on running Apache,MySql and PHP from
a CD... I can't seem to find that thread and i cant seem to find the links i
had from that thread, so
Can anybody suggest/recommend a way to run our project from CD?
Our project is made in PHP 4 w
the cd and loads it into their comp
Then either of these two:
a) they click on clickme.html or clickme.exe etc
or
b)the CD autostarts and opens the browser window with the index of the "site"
Thanks!
R
Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 03:39 -0800, Rya
You wouldnt happen to have a direct link to that page would you? coz I cant
find it in their products section...
Thanks!
R
Alberto Ferrer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: www.apachefriends.org have a "Lamp"
on CD project.
2006/11/27, Ryan A :
> Hello,
>
> A little while ba
soo well is... there are
quite a few javascript popups on each page (basically icons on the side, when
clicked open a JS popup with the content of the main page in a different
language
for example:
the main page is in Swedish, when you click the language icon on the side it
opens a popup with
Hey Paul,
Now this is sounding promising!
Can you send me details on how/where I can download your package to give it a
go?
"Firefox launches on CD start and "
I hope just in this case FF is launched, because we have found that most of our
to be users are on IE... so this wa
I currently use Pay Pal shopping cart, but I need to find a good, cheap
shopping cart that my clients can update themselves. Does anyone know of
something I can install so they can work on it easily. They need to do this
online.
thanks,
Lisa A
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I have looked everywhere, but it's hard to tell. I was hoping someone else
had found one that they put on their site so their clients could add
merchandise themselves failry easy. I know I have oscommerce on my cpanel,
but it is rather difficult it seems.
thanks.
Lisa A
"Na
Hey,
I am new to CLI and using PHP to run shell but need to know it so am getting
my feet wet, hopefully with your help :-)
Now when I said three quickies, I mean three PHP RELATED quickies of
course...if you thought anything otherwise... you have a wicked mind.
Here goes:
1.
I start my CLI
thing to use?
> [/snip]
> so, does the format need to be changed in some
> way to add it to my .htaccess file or is it simply not allowed in the
htaccess file?
> [/snip]
> What are the permissions of the directory?
The permissions are 755...but thanks for the tip, for some rea
> The canonical way:
>
> #!/usr/bin/env php
Thanks Kevin,
> Well, if you use the "canonical way" I describe above, one problem
> I foresee is that the cgi-bin directory is hardly ever in $PATH. . .
Will keep that in mind..
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On 3/27/2006 7:04:52 PM, Kevin Kinsey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Ryan A wrote:
>
> >Anybody else getting these annoying auto responses from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> com
> >?
> >
> >If yes, can someone email the list mod to delete his account or
something,
>
>
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>
> http://www.unixgeeks.org/security/newbie/unix/cron-1.html
>
> Now, you can do this one of two ways
>
> 17 8 * * * /usr/local/bin/php /path/to/your/script.php
>
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Now, I might be coming in a bit late here...but I have worked with cpanel
and using their &q
> Two-Faced SOB - One minute you're sorry, the next you're not. Make up
> your
> gd Mind.
> I'll add more to this tomorrow morning when I'm sober.
DAMN! I love this listother than two people on the list I think everyone
else is gonna have a smile on the
Ooops, and lets not forget this one:
curl http://www.yoursite.com/path/to/script/yourscript.php
you can put that in your cron job by going to cpanel its a long way
round but sometimes it can be usefulyou should have CURL installed of
course.
The good thing about the above is it does not
nt already have them, both are very very useful even if
you dont need them right now. Not to be a jackass and repeat what others
have said but you might also want to look into other hosts who are a bit
more helpful and effecient than your current host sounds. If you need a
recommendation for a good
Hi,
I have almost finished making a set of scripts that would communicate with
maybe 1k sites to start with...
I'm sorry I cannot give you more details about the scripts but this guy is
really nervious and had me sign an NDA etc etc
but what i would like to know is; would there be a pr
Hi Phillip/Chris,
Thanks for replying.
Other than actually asking the host and taking a chance of pissing them off
before i have even done anythingis there any way to find out the max
connections by looking at the phpinfo() ?
/*
I hope you're not connecting/disconnecting between qu
Hey all,
Thanks for replying.
/*
If you have phpmyadmin or something installed:
show status like '%connection%';
should show something.
*/Ok, will give that a shot./*If they're accessing the same database you
don't need to
disconnect/reconnect. Different db's - well, ye
ove is for _one_ username and _one site_ . eventually there
will be hundreds of sites and each site will have X number of usernames
which will be sent to us for processing.
If this project goes well and once we can afford it this will be moved to a
dedicated box but till then... do you guys fore
Hey all,
Most of your seasoned vets might already know this but for most of you
newcomers run a script with phpinfo() in it and check the php logo on top.
Its a little "easter egg" thats around just for April 1st (thanks go to
Zouari Fourat for reminding us)
Cheers all!
-Ryan
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e" I thought
it was pretty damn funny anddidnt think anyone would misunderstand it as
anything other than a joke, didnt really think there is/was a need for
tags either, if you're on the listfor some time you see that
Chris/Rasmus and nearly everyone else has a sense ofhumour...they take t
Hey,
Just been googleing and trying out different AJAX frameworks..:
>From PEAR HTML_AJAX
Gauva
My-Bic
AjaxAC
and quite a few moreand it happened, I confused myself :-(
For some reason HTML_AJAX is not working on my local machine (windows based,
I am getting runtime errors with the examp
Hey all,
first of all; a big thank you to all of you for replying, rather than mix up
my replies to all of you I will write my response to you under your name as
I have gotten so many different leads/opinions/views.
One last requirment I forgot to mention before was that I wanted to work
with PHP
Hey
>Carlin Bingham / Tedd:
>---
>Yes, but then I would have to reload the whole page just to tell the person
>that the account username was already taken...thats how its "traditionally"
>done...but I want to try doing it without reloading the whole page...hence
>Asynchronous
Hey,
There is a misunderstanding here. The X does not necessarily means
generic XML. It may mean XHTML. Anyway, an AJAX request may server any
type of data.
Another point is that AJAX does not mean necessarily using
XMLHttpRequest objects . As you may read in the Wikipedia definition,
many AJAX
On Sat, 2006-04-08 Robert Cummings wrote:> [-- SNIP PIMPING OF
IFRAMES --]HEHHEHE funnyI started picturing a guy with loud colors, a
big hat and live fish in his heels...LOLCheers,Ryan
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> Give osCommerce a try, its free and easy to use
> http://www.oscommerce.com/
>
> ""Lisa A"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>I need a shopping cart for a website that once I install and set up, my
&
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Why donot u people visit www.indialovesu.com and see the shop cart
which is
> much -2 powerful than oscommerce.
> U can reach to the design company at www.bsdinfotech.com
this mailing list is not a forum for advertising your companies'
> And I thought Ajax was a Dutch Football (soccer) team. :P
It isand a very good dish washing detergent too (and yes, I am a
bachelor :-D )
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Lisa,
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If you want a more traditional shopping cart, you might look into
Shop Script (I'm a distributor). I've installed and set-up a few of
those. They cost, but are set up for an easy admin for civilians. If
interested, contact me privately.
---
Anothe
Hey,
--
OH NO ... I didn't forget. I had a whole swathe of abuse ready for this
guy
about his language /cultural skills and the dodgy design-by-template
1999-dreamweaver
HTML crap (view source made me laugh anyway, especially when considered
in the
light of point 2 on this
Hi,
I dont know if this is a bug or something but I am getting some strange
results from what should be a simple program;
I have a bunch of movie titles in my database, this is the structure:
part_url
part_size
part_format
bandwidth_type
flick_name
and the above table contains data like this
Hey,
-
[snip]
After a lot of searching through the page source I see that the first
"Try A
Teen" has a line break (after the "n" in "teen" whatevers there appears
on
the next line), thats why it seems different...but when I went into the
m
Hey,
First, sorry about the subject line, my mail program is giving me a bit of a
problem so had to use another..
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[snip]
Let's try an experiment, do a string replace to get rid of the newline
and report back what happens.--I did a
> is blue better than red?
> anyone care for a holy war?
> am I having a bad day?
Yes, yes, guess so
My $0.2
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If a coal cart could cart coal, how much coal would a coal cart cart... if a
coal cart could cart coal?
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Hey,
I have been asked to make a site that would be pretty high traffic...
problem is, no MySql.
Although i have messed around with php's file and directory commands I have
never really made anything "really big" using them, I always used MySql,
here I dont have that choice as th
Hey,
> A text db is never going to be as fast as a relational db.
I know ...but I have no choice, no MySql or any other database installed on
the server.
> Why can't you use a database (I assume there was some sort of technical
reason) ?
Load / resources basically, its a bu
Hey,
> quantify 'high traffic'.
Millions of hits per day, hundreds if not thousands of GBs transferred _per
day_
sounds like high traffic? :-D
---
you might consider telling the client that the implementation of a high
traffic site should not be constrained from
Hey,
> You're in for a rough ride...Yep, sure looks like it.
---
Quadruple all your time estimates, and start by defining EXACTLY what
your app has to do, and EXACTLY how much data needs to from A to B to
C.---Wise words, have already done most of that, it was very
tem
"normal page"... I am sure I am not the
first person to come accross this little problem, how did you solve it?
I have seen some suggestions on google like having a hidden form field and
using js to put a value in it, if it exists when the form is sent then JS
is on..if not, its not..
Hey Tedd / Robert,
Thanks for replying.
--
Tedd:
However, I read where one can detect if a user has cookies on by
sending a cookie and then reading it back. And considering that you
can send a cookie via js, you could do that. However, that would mean
that the user had to
Hey Stut,
Thanks for replying.
---
The way I do this is to serve the 'notmal page' first, but with the
following snippet of JS in it...
<!--
location.href = '/url/for/ajax/page.php';
-->
--Makes sense and pretty easy, this
Hey,
Thanks for replying.
for js detection, you can use that in a previous page :
document.write('<a href="ajax-page.html">page</a>');
page
it is simple, and work fine.
no need to have cookies enable--
Alex,
Heres a very simple way to do exactly what you want as long as you are
deleting all the records from the table:
once you are in phpmyadmin you should have a frame with the database name(s)
on the left and the tables on the right,
click on the database name so that you have a list of tables
Oops sorry, I made a little mistake here:
click on the database name so that you have a list of tables in the
*right* frameI meant: click on the database name so that you have a list of
tables in the
*LEFT* frameCheers,Ryan
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> You guys make me laugh... :)
:-)
> (And I really actually mean that in a nice way...
> that last bit was
> quite funny. And yes, size does matter... some don't
> like it _too_
> big.)
Damn, just my luck
:-D
> As far as AJAX is concerned: yeah, it'
Can anyone suggest someone to write a simple client side shopping cart I can
use? I need to install something that my client can update the merchandise
themselves. Something inxepensive please.
thanks,
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Well I have no idea. I can't spend $100's but hope that there would be
something out there affordable.
"Robert Cummings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 2006-04-22 at 20:08, Lisa A wrote:
>> Can anyone suggest someone to
many options. I don't need a powerful one like that. Just a good basic
shopping cart, but good for client side.
thanks,
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> On Sat, 2006-04-22 at 20:47, Lisa A wrote:
>> Well I have no idea.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
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> Costs $349, but it's worth every penny and includes user support!
>
> http://digishop3.sumeffect.com/
>
> David Ellsworth
> yourwebdna.co
--- Jay Blanchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snip]
> Hi everybody!
> I want to get src of image form a $text, I have a
> below text
>
> $Text = cellspacing="3%"
> width="100%">
>
> id=userupload/78/Autumn.jpg
> s
--- Jay Blanchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snip]
> > I want to get src of image form a $text
>
> > And I want a pony!
> >
>
> Jay, a warning would be nice before you post stuff
> like you posted above... I am _supposed_ to be
> working
> her
--- tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hey,
> >Hey. That ain't a "shopping cart" That's a
> friggin' store.
>
> LOL
>
> You're absolutely right -- tho, it sounds like good
> stuff for a comedy routine.
Pity it would fly over
--- Jay Blanchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snip]
> >Another aspect is this:
> >Why do we call it a shopping cart?
> [/snip]
>
> We discarded this terminology in favor of 'order
> fulfillment system' or
> OFS
Man, I knew this girl some time
--- Tom Cruickshank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Waaait a second. You actually knew a girl who took
> orders?
What do you tell a girl with two black eyes?
Nothing, coz told the b***h twice!
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For those of you who are making a joke out of my question, glad to have
given you all a laugh. I want to thank everyone else for being so nice and
helpful to beginners.
Everyone has to start somewhere and can't afford a $1000 to spend and sorry
I'm not the "geek" you a
> >
> > While we're on the topic...
> >
> > What's the difference between a dozen eggs and an
> elephant...
>
> er? 2 metrics tons? no? put me out of my misery
> then :-)
>
If you dont know I am not going to send you to the
store for a doze
ot; as this is way OT.
John Nichel got most of them, or maybe all except I
heard these a bit different from him, below is how I
heard them:
> >> 1) Why can't you get an Elephant to screw in a
> >> lightbulb?
Because they wont fit in a lightbulb!
> >> 2)Wha
Hi,
This is just a quick query as I am bit doubtful of the
result..
basically, I get the username and ip of a person who
logs into a remote site and i have to save this data
(please note that this would be thousands of logins)
so I was wondering if it would be better to save the
username and ip
Hey all,
I get a crapload of spam and I am pretty sure most of
you too as we work so much online, for the past few
months I joined a site called bluesecurity.com and
installed their "blue frog" client and now my spam has
dropped by over 70%
I suggest you check it out and join you
> Also, try using mysql_pconnect rather than
> mysql_connect to set up a
> persistent database connection.
>From what I have read and asked around, persistant
connections are more of a pain in the @ss than a
help...esp in a shared hosting environment.
Thanks for respo
ivity is great, but plagiarism is faster!
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> > Hey all,
> >
> > I get a crapload of spam and I am pretty sure most
> of
> > you too as we work so much online, for the past
> few
> > months I joined a site called bluesecurity.com and
> > installed their "blue frog" client and now my sp
Hey,
One of the sites I moderate has fudforum installed on
it, really good forum if you have not heard of it,
tiny and fast.
The problem is the host is limiting the amount of
emails that can go from the site per minute, and we
need to email all the members (a modest 700 or so) a
newsletter
Thanks m8, I appreciate it.
Cheers!
-Ryan
--- Richard Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, May 2, 2006 6:16 am, Ryan A wrote:
> > The problem is the host is limiting the amount of
> > emails that can go from the site per minute, and
> we
> > need to email al
Hey all,
Every now and then I start on using REGEXs and URL
rewriting as needed then stop again, this is one of
those times :-) I have a simple url rewite that goes
like this:
RewriteRule ^blog-([0-9]+).html$
index.php?act=blog&id=$1
and I send urls to the page like this:
mysite.com/blog/bl
Works perfectly, thank you!
Just got a bit confused after all the reading.
Regards,
Ryan
>
> You just need to add another pair of parenthesis
> to get the second match. For your case, it'll be
> something like (untested):
>
> RewriteRule ^blog-([0-9]+)-([^\.]+)\.html$
Hey,
When i started on the net I was told that if sending
than 256 characters via a form to use a POST instead
of a GET method, now that I am playing with URL
rewriting I wanted to know if member served me right,
but searching via google I see that IE takes up to
2040-2083 characters in a GET
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Hey,
>
> > - Anything else you wish to add pertaining to the
> > above.
>
> You could try sending an insanely long value to a
> script on your page
> and see how much of the actual data it received
> before being truncated
> or causing an error.
Thanks for
Hi again,
Kindly save the below code as t.php and run it in as
many browsers/servers you can, then click on each of
the links and tell me if you run into any problems.
(Basically, I am checking to see how many characters
we can have in a URL that the server will accept and
process, the script
Hey,
Thanks for replying and testing it out.
> Here's the thing though: Do you really want a
> 4000-char URL?
Not at all, I just wanted to know if I can put 30-50
words in a url or would it "break"
> MOST people asking this question are e, not
> newbies,
Hey,
Thanks for replying and testing it out.
> Without any tweaking of the server mine went up to
> 4000 without a
> problem. However, 5000 always times out.
>
> Fx 1.5, Apache 2, Fedora 4, PHP 4.3.11
Cool...
> Are you sure you searched on this subject?
> "maximum u
> > > [snip]
> > > - Anything else you wish to add pertaining to
> the
> > > above.
> > > [/snip]
> > >
> > > People who use GET requests are lazy.
> >
> > What does...
> >
> > Edit User
> #241241
>
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I appreciate it.
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Hey,
So far this is what I have done:
-
1) read the files from a directory, discard the files
with a .php extention and the directories (eg: . and
.. )
2) put the files into an array ($the_files[])
3) put it into a while loop and display the files like
so:
echo
n the head.
Thanks again,
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Hey Rich,
> > 1) read the files from a directory, discard the
> files
> > with a .php extention and the directories (eg: .
> and
> > .. )
> >
> > 2) put the files into an array ($the_files[])
> >
> > 3) put it into a while loop and display the
Hi,
I need to send an array of data to a remote site from
my script, the array will contain anything from 1 to
5000 entries of less than 150 alpha numeric characters
each.
Can you suggest the best method of doing this?
Am looking at serialize() or a normal POST using some
of the publicly
Hey,
Thanks for replying.
> Ok dude, braindump coming up - just some random
> thoughts and ideas,
> no concrete answers:
Thats ok, still in the planning stage, not a line of
code written so am open to ideas instead of just
concrete answers.
>
> 5000 * 100 = 50 bytes -
>
> ok so the data is pretty simple and predictable - I
> take it
> that the max length of the username is known, this
> way you can calculate
> pretty well how much data you could be send at a
> time.
Yep, max length 150 chars. Can be lowered to around
100 if need be.
> >
if I can use that because I have no idea
if the remote client machines will have the necessary
addon to unzip it but none the less, that helps as its
a real good link to a really great way to use PHP to
zip files... have bookmarked it!
Thanks!
Ryan
--
- The faulty interface lies between the ch
Hey,
Heres my setup, I have a directory full of files and I
get a request with an array of filenames
For this example:
a.txt
b.txt
c.txt
if the above files dont already exist I need to create
them (I am using touch() instead of fopen())
My question is which would you recommend, doing a
readdir
to the running totals
@$hits["$username|$subnet"]++;
@$bytes["$username|$subnet"]+=$byte;
@$baps["$username|$subnet|$this_second"]++;
@$bapm["$username|$subnet|$this_minute"]++;
What kind of arrays are the above? I have never seen
nor worked with arrays lik
--- tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 5:48 AM -0700 5/13/06, Ryan A wrote:
> >Hey,
> >Heres my setup, I have a directory full of files
> and I
> >get a request with an array of filenames
> >For this example:
> >a.txt
> >b.txt
> >c.txt
> &g
Thanks Rob, Satyam,
I understood the error supression but never came
across arrays where people were creating keys on the
fly like this and incrementing themjust looked a
bit weird to me.
Cheers!
Ryan
--- Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 15:2
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