Re: [PHP] Re: -less layouts; Ideas welcome

2009-05-25 Thread Lists
Paul M Foster wrote: [snip] > I wish someone had thought of a similar thing for databases. From the > beginning, there should have been a spreadsheet-like interface for > databases. This could have saved endless trouble, since for lack of > this, people store database information in spreadsheets.

Re: [PHP] Re: -less layouts; Ideas welcome

2009-05-24 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 12:04 +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > On Sat, 2009-05-23 at 22:23 -0700, Michael A. Peters wrote: > > Paul M Foster wrote: > > > > > > > > I wish someone had thought of a similar thing for databases. From the > > > beginning, there should have been a spreadsheet-like interfa

Re: [PHP] Re: -less layouts; Ideas welcome

2009-05-24 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Sat, 2009-05-23 at 22:23 -0700, Michael A. Peters wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: > > > > > I wish someone had thought of a similar thing for databases. From the > > beginning, there should have been a spreadsheet-like interface for > > databases. This could have saved endless trouble, since for

Re: [PHP] Re: -less layouts; Ideas welcome

2009-05-23 Thread Michael A. Peters
Paul M Foster wrote: I wish someone had thought of a similar thing for databases. From the beginning, there should have been a spreadsheet-like interface for databases. This could have saved endless trouble, since for lack of this, people store database information in spreadsheets. And then won

Re: [PHP] Re: -less layouts; Ideas welcome

2009-05-23 Thread Paul M Foster
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:52:56AM -0400, tedd wrote: > At 9:08 AM -0400 5/23/09, Robert Cummings wrote: >> Ya know... the people over at HTML standards design cold have saved the >> world a large number of headaches by just adding a new attribute to >> tables: >> >> >> >> Then everyone layou

Re: [PHP] Re: -less layouts; Ideas welcome

2009-05-23 Thread tedd
At 9:08 AM -0400 5/23/09, Robert Cummings wrote: Ya know... the people over at HTML standards design cold have saved the world a large number of headaches by just adding a new attribute to tables: Then everyone layout table out there would have been valid by the simple addition of this att

Re: [PHP] Re: -less layouts; Ideas welcome

2009-05-23 Thread Lenin
Have anyone of you checked the table to div converter class from www.phpclasses.org ?

Re: [PHP] Re: -less layouts; Ideas welcome

2009-05-23 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2009-05-21 at 05:06 -0400, O. Lavell wrote: > Jim Lucas wrote: > > > Since this has been a topic of dicussion, I figured I would add my > > thoughts. > > > > I have been toying with the idea of doing a -less layouts > > involving tabular data, calendars, etc... > > Why? > > > Recent thr

Re: [PHP] Re: -less layouts; Ideas welcome

2009-05-21 Thread Weston C
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:10 PM, tedd wrote: > Could you be certain that your algorithm would figure out which way it needs > to present the text to a blind person? My own experience browsing the web with Lynx (which for the most part, tends to ignore table layout, giving you the content of tabl

Re: [PHP] Re: -less layouts; Ideas welcome

2009-05-21 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 21/5/09 18:48, Weston C wrote: I almost just wish we'd accepted the horse was out of the barn and tried to figure out an easy way to signal distinctions between layout tables and semantic tabular data, rather than trying to get the entire internet to completely retool. One year after HTML 4.

[PHP] Re: -less layouts; Ideas welcome

2009-05-21 Thread tedd
At 11:48 AM -0600 5/21/09, Weston C wrote: On Thu, 2009-05-21 at 09:54 -0400, tedd wrote: My thoughts are -- my understanding the reason why tables have received such bad-press is that designers have abused tables in holding designs together with nested tables AND in doing so made it difficu

[PHP] Re: -less layouts; Ideas welcome

2009-05-21 Thread Weston C
On Thu, 2009-05-21 at 09:54 -0400, tedd wrote: > My thoughts are -- my understanding the reason why tables have > received such bad-press is that designers have abused tables in > holding designs together with nested tables AND in doing so made it > difficult for the visually disabled to pull conte

[PHP] Re: -less layouts; Ideas welcome

2009-05-21 Thread Daniele Grillenzoni
On 21/05/2009 10.02, Jim Lucas wrote: Since this has been a topic of dicussion, I figured I would add my thoughts. I have been toying with the idea of doing a -less layouts involving tabular data, calendars, etc... Recent threads have finally made me do it. Let me know what you think. http://w

Re: [PHP] Re: -less layouts; Ideas welcome

2009-05-21 Thread Tom Worster
On 5/21/09 5:06 AM, "O. Lavell" wrote: > Jim Lucas wrote: > >> Since this has been a topic of dicussion, I figured I would add my >> thoughts. >> >> I have been toying with the idea of doing a -less layouts >> involving tabular data, calendars, etc... > > Why? it's a zen practice. -- PHP

[PHP] Re: -less layouts; Ideas welcome

2009-05-21 Thread O. Lavell
Jim Lucas wrote: > Since this has been a topic of dicussion, I figured I would add my > thoughts. > > I have been toying with the idea of doing a -less layouts > involving tabular data, calendars, etc... Why? > Recent threads have finally made me do it. Let me know what you think. > > http://