Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] 4. a website/subsite & related DB to store data for phParrot, tips, etc. phparrot.net is up for grabs - I'm happy to register it (can't grace the list with ace mathematical explainations :-) but I'm happy to shell out a few bucks as a way of giving back a little) - and I

RE: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

[snip] 4. a website/subsite & related DB to store data for phParrot, tips, etc. phparrot.net is up for grabs - I'm happy to register it (can't grace the list with ace mathematical explainations :-) but I'm happy to shell out a few bucks as a way of giving back a little) - and I'd just as happily t

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] ...lots of really good stuff... [/snip] So, basically I saw 3 possible action items from this discussion... 1. phParrot development 2. Weekly CRON of NEWBIE GUIDE (once I get the e-mail portion figured out) 3. OT posts should contain a TIP or TRICK? If we did this we cou

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] Now, perhaps, an INTERESTING project for some of us to work on would be that system: Spec: Robot subscriber to PHP-General. Reads all incoming messages. Discards anything that looks like a 'Reply:' including: Has 'Re: ' or 'Fwd: " in subject Has Message ID in-reply-t

RE: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

[snip] ...lots of really good stuff... [/snip] So, basically I saw 3 possible action items from this discussion... 1. phParrot development 2. Weekly CRON of NEWBIE GUIDE (once I get the e-mail portion figured out) 3. OT posts should contain a TIP or TRICK? If we did this we could harvest them onc

RE: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

[snip] I'm not going to promise any of this. If someone else is willing to donate the hardware to make this happen then contact me / the list. Of course anyone else that wants to donate coding time is more than welcome to join project ParrotHeadPoster. :) I can already imagine it now... "I'

RE: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

[snip] Now, perhaps, an INTERESTING project for some of us to work on would be that system: Spec: Robot subscriber to PHP-General. Reads all incoming messages. Discards anything that looks like a 'Reply:' including: Has 'Re: ' or 'Fwd: " in subject Has Message ID in-reply-to header thingies Co

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nichel) wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Jay Blanchard wrote: >> [snip] >> CR> Just a thought, but would it be worth someone posting the list >> CR> once a week to catch new users as they sign up? >> >> Isn't it posted once a month as it is? >> [/snip] >> >> It used to

Re: Re[2]: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

* Thus wrote Jay Blanchard: > [snip] > JB> It used to be, but it seems that it hasn't been posted in a while. > So I > JB> retrieved it and posted it. I was thinking about setting up a cron > to > JB> post it every other day or so. > > I think once a week would be more than enough. You have to act

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

On Wednesday 26 January 2005 09:46, Greg Donald wrote: > For example a newbie might be needing some help > debugging an array and may not have ran into the print_r() manual page > yet.. Meanwhile the same newbie probably wouldn't be asking why their > shiny new constructor doesn't automatically

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:46:20 +0800, Jason Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IMO there are no difference between 'newbie' questions and 'non-newbie' > questions. Sure there is. For example a newbie might be needing some help debugging an array and may not have ran into the print_r() manual page ye

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Richard Lynch wrote: ... Now, perhaps, an INTERESTING project for some of us to work on would be that system: Spec: Robot subscriber to PHP-General. Reads all incoming messages. Discards anything that looks like a 'Reply:' including: Has 'Re: ' or 'Fwd: " in subject Has Message ID in-reply-to h

RE: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Richard Lynch on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 3:35 PM said: >> or will all you advanced guys/girls spend countless hours repeatedly >> asking people to post code, use print_r()/var_dump() etc... without >> so much as halfbaked challenge in sight? > > Yes. :-) > > Perh

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

On Wednesday 26 January 2005 07:27, Greg Donald wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 06:54:32 +0800, Jason Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyway who decides what is a newbie question? I don't think a newbie > > would be in a position to ascertain whether their question is considered > > newbie. > > M

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

> or will all you advanced guys/girls spend countless hours repeatedly > asking people to post code, use print_r()/var_dump() etc... without so > much as > halfbaked challenge in sight? Yes. :-) Perhaps I should explain why. Once upon a time, a long time ago, I was new to PHP. And I was a good

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 06:54:32 +0800, Jason Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway who decides what is a newbie question? I don't think a newbie would be > in a position to ascertain whether their question is considered newbie. My definition of a PHP newbie would be a person who is just starting t

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

On Wednesday 26 January 2005 02:41, Greg Donald wrote: > If one of us newbies gets no answer after a few days, we would realize > no one knows the answer and would probably repost the question to > another list. The clever newbie will cover all bases and cross-post to as many lists as possible.

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Richard Lynch wrote: Oh and by the way, whenever I'm creating the skeleton of a new class I will usually insert the following code snippet into the functions to let me know I have to come back and actually implement it later. if ($class = __CLASS__) { trigger_error(__CLASS__ . '::' . __FUNCTION__

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

> Oh and by the way, whenever I'm creating the skeleton of a new class I > will usually insert the following code snippet into the functions to let > me know I have to come back and actually implement it later. > > if ($class = __CLASS__) { >trigger_error(__CLASS__ . '::' . __FUNCTION__ . ' is

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] Is it only me, or are the number of posts about posts now out-numbering the number of 'real' posts?... :-^ [/snip] I cannot be sure, so we must need a poll. And is a post about posts not really real or does it have some sort of existential non-sameness? We could always d

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 11:15, Rory Browne wrote: > > P.S. An addition to the above, a reminder that you have to CC to > php-general@lists.php.net, for responses to be sent to the list might > be a good idea. I've lost count of how many times I've forgotten to do > this, including this time(sorry J

RE: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Jochem Maas on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:23 AM said: > Greg Donald wrote: >> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:19:12 -0800, Chris W. Parker >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > ... Ok so maybe it wasn't as funny in the email as it was in my head but gosh where did everyo

RE: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

[snip] Is it only me, or are the number of posts about posts now out-numbering the number of 'real' posts?... :-^ [/snip] I cannot be sure, so we must need a poll. And is a post about posts not really real or does it have some sort of existential non-sameness? We could always demand that posts ab

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Greg Donald wrote: On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:15:37 +, Rory Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think sending it to the list every so often, via cron isn't the best way to handle it. I've read it once, I don't see the point in getting it again. Perhaps, is the list admins were willing, it could be

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

> I for one would subscribe and remain a member of a php-newbie list. > Never too smart to learn something new. In years past, when this topic has re-re-re-re-re-re-surfaced, the general consensus always seems to be that most of us would just end up subscribed to two lists, the newbies would proba

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Greg Donald wrote: On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:19:12 -0800, Chris W. Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... I for one would subscribe and remain a member of a php-newbie list. Never too smart to learn something new. I think that that comment makes Greg a good candidate for 'Chief Archiver'. straight up

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Rory Browne wrote: I think sending it to the list every so often, via cron isn't the best way to handle it. I've read it once, I don't see the point in getting indeed not the best way but... it again. Perhaps, is the list admins were willing, it could be set up considering the ammount of 'admining'

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] I think that Justin Patrin started up a wiki for PHP, but he hasn't been on the list in a while and I can't remember what the url for his wiki was. But he had a fair amount of useful code in there that would be a great start for this project. AND ... Yeah the list is

Re: Re[2]: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

> I think once a week would be more than enough. You have to actually > hope the newbies even read it, most of them don't even think they are > "newbies" :) Perhaps the most appropriate subject would be "Posting Guide - Read before sending" Regardless of one's experience, one would expect to read

RE: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Jay Blanchard wrote: > [snip] >> This is interesting, I set up the mail line for the CRON to read >> >> mail("php-general@lists.php.net", "[NEWBIE GUIDE] - For benefit of new >> list members", $msg, "From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" . > "Reply-To: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]" . "X-Mailer: PHP/" . phpversion()); >

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:19:12 -0800, Chris W. Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All the "smart" people will go to the "advanced" (or "normal") list and > leave all the n00bs by themselves to answer questions like, "I tried to > download the internets with PHP to my compy 386 but it didn't work. PL

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:36:17 -0600, Greg Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:15:37 +, Rory Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think sending it to the list every so often, via cron isn't the best > > way to handle it. I've read it once, I don't see the point in gettin

RE: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Greg Donald on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:36 AM said: > The Perl solution many years ago was to make a newbie list. My local > Linux user group solution last year was to make a newbie list. This idea has been presented too. All the "smart" people will go to the "

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:15:37 +, Rory Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think sending it to the list every so often, via cron isn't the best > way to handle it. I've read it once, I don't see the point in getting > it again. Perhaps, is the list admins were willing, it could be set up > to b

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

I think sending it to the list every so often, via cron isn't the best way to handle it. I've read it once, I don't see the point in getting it again. Perhaps, is the list admins were willing, it could be set up to be sent to all newbies, as part of the subscription process. To ensure that it is re

RE: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

[snip] I think that Justin Patrin started up a wiki for PHP, but he hasn't been on the list in a while and I can't remember what the url for his wiki was. But he had a fair amount of useful code in there that would be a great start for this project. AND ... Yeah the list is pretty high volume

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Jochem Maas wrote: Jay Blanchard wrote: ... Jay, great list BTW - I was thinking maybe we could drop it on a site/wiki or something which could also contain stuff that comes up again and again, or stuff that even the 6month y/o newbie finds trivial or just good stuff thats been condensed from the l

RE: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

[snip] > This is interesting, I set up the mail line for the CRON to read > > mail("php-general@lists.php.net", "[NEWBIE GUIDE] - For benefit of new > list members", $msg, "From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" . "Reply-To: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]" . "X-Mailer: PHP/" . phpversion()); > > And the test mail did not

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

John Nichel wrote: Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] CR> Just a thought, but would it be worth someone posting the list CR> once a week to catch new users as they sign up? Isn't it posted once a month as it is? [/snip] It used to be, but it seems that it hasn't been posted in a while. So I retrieved it a

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] ...stuff... [/snip] This is interesting, I set up the mail line for the CRON to read mail("php-general@lists.php.net", "[NEWBIE GUIDE] - For benefit of new list members", $msg, "From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" . "Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" . "X-Mailer: PHP/" . phpversion());

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] stuff... [/snip] This is interesting, I set up the mail line for the CRON to read mail("php-general@lists.php.net", "[NEWBIE GUIDE] - For benefit of new list members", $msg, "From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" . "Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" . "X-Mailer: PHP/" . phpversion());

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] CR> Just a thought, but would it be worth someone posting the list CR> once a week to catch new users as they sign up? Isn't it posted once a month as it is? [/snip] It used to be, but it seems that it hasn't been posted in a while. So I retrieved it and posted it. I was

RE: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

[snip] ...stuff... [/snip] This is interesting, I set up the mail line for the CRON to read mail("php-general@lists.php.net", "[NEWBIE GUIDE] - For benefit of new list members", $msg, "From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" . "Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" . "X-Mailer: PHP/" . phpversion()); And the test mail

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] although.. .just having a sense humor here... i think every topic has been covered a number of times... which means no one should be posting questions at the php list... cause they are all in the archive :0) [/snip] Maybe...except for PHP5 :) ! That and XML / SOAP. I've

RE: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

[snip] although.. .just having a sense humor here... i think every topic has been covered a number of times... which means no one should be posting questions at the php list... cause they are all in the archive :0) [/snip] Maybe...except for PHP5 :) ! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.n

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Great List... although.. .just having a sense humor here... i think every topic has been covered a number of times... which means no one should be posting questions at the php list... cause they are all in the archive :0) cheers! Joe On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:48:53 -0500, Jason Barnett <[EMAIL PRO

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] JB> It used to be, but it seems that it hasn't been posted in a while. So I JB> retrieved it and posted it. I was thinking about setting up a cron to JB> post it every other day or so. I think once a week would be more than enough. You have to actually hope the newbies e

RE: Re[2]: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

[snip] JB> It used to be, but it seems that it hasn't been posted in a while. So I JB> retrieved it and posted it. I was thinking about setting up a cron to JB> post it every other day or so. I think once a week would be more than enough. You have to actually hope the newbies even read it, most of

Re[2]: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Hello Jay, Tuesday, January 25, 2005, 2:33:32 PM, you wrote: JB> It used to be, but it seems that it hasn't been posted in a while. So I JB> retrieved it and posted it. I was thinking about setting up a cron to JB> post it every other day or so. I think once a week would be more than enough. You

RE: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Richard & TheList... >Isn't it posted once a month as it is? Hot damn! That'll be why I have never seen it then! :/ Apologies to all!!! Chris Ramsay - Web Developer - The Danwood Group Ltd. T: +44 (0) 1522 834482 F: +44 (0) 1522 88

RE: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

[snip] CR> Just a thought, but would it be worth someone posting the list CR> once a week to catch new users as they sign up? Isn't it posted once a month as it is? [/snip] It used to be, but it seems that it hasn't been posted in a while. So I retrieved it and posted it. I was thinking about set

Re: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Hello Chris, Tuesday, January 25, 2005, 2:03:09 PM, you wrote: CR> Just a thought, but would it be worth someone posting the list CR> once a week to catch new users as they sign up? Isn't it posted once a month as it is? Best regards, Richard Davey -- http://www.launchcode.co.uk - PHP Develo

[PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

I too agree - the list raises some really important points... Just a thought, but would it be worth someone posting the list once a week to catch new users as they sign up? Might be worth it in the interest of keeping the list tidy? Chris Ramsay ---

[PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

Great list Jay. The only other thing that I would add is this: The people on this list are not your paid support specialists that *have* to answer you on your slightest whim. Most of this "netiquette" is covered by http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html, but basically if you make i

Re: [PHP] Re: [Newbie Guide] For the benefit of new members

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:41:49 -0400, John Taylor-Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks. As a newbie, something I like to try also is making a second file with phps > as the extension. > Sometimes reading my code in colour helps me see things better. Sometimes I forget a > semi-colon ";" and

[PHP] Re: [Newbie Guide] For the benefit of new members

Thanks. As a newbie, something I like to try also is making a second file with phps as the extension. Sometimes reading my code in colour helps me see things better. Sometimes I forget a semi-colon ";" and will see the problem immediately. Ma Sivakumar wrote: > =