Rasmus Lerdorf schrieb:
> [...]
> What do we do with code like this? If you follow it through it is
> essentially doing:
>
> 3 = "banana";
This is obviously totally wrong and has to be noted as wrong, hence
E_NOTICE. Since it can be dealt with without rendering the script
unexecutable raising
Carl Furst wrote:
Chris,
You probably are aware that this comes from a C/C++ standard the '&'
before the variable means that you are passing by reference and not
by value.
You are probably not aware that I'm not asking a question. :-)
Chris
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Brain Bulb, The PHP Consultancy
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On Sun, 2005-09-18 at 16:10, Chris Shiflett wrote:
> Robert Cummings wrote:
> > I don't agree with your position that the above code is incorrect
>
> I think notices are fine for situations where you've probably screwed
> up. I'd rather PHP let me know than do nothing.
>
> I see this situation a
ch of this sort.
Carl
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Shiflett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:10 PM
> To: Robert Cummings
> Cc: Rasmus Lerdorf; Stephen Leaf; PHP-General
> Subject: Re: [PHP] Quick Poll: PHP 4 / 5
>
> Robert Cumm
Robert Cummings wrote:
I don't agree with your position that the above code is incorrect
I think notices are fine for situations where you've probably screwed
up. I'd rather PHP let me know than do nothing.
I see this situation as being very similar to the following:
This happens to throw
- Original Message -
From: "Jasper Bryant-Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP] Quick Poll: PHP 4 / 5
leaf wrote:
Actually I choose array_pop for 2 reasons.
I like short code. I don't want to read thous
On Sat, 2005-09-17 at 00:14, Jasper Bryant-Greene wrote:
> leaf wrote:
> >
> > Actually I choose array_pop for 2 reasons.
> > I like short code. I don't want to read thousands of lines just to get
> > an idea. I tend to think in very compact code. if you find that ugly and
> > unreadable. that's
leaf wrote:
Actually I choose array_pop for 2 reasons.
I like short code. I don't want to read thousands of lines just to get
an idea. I tend to think in very compact code. if you find that ugly and
unreadable. that's your preference. I find extended coding very ugly,
mostly because I'm a slo
- Original Message -
From: "Jasper Bryant-Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP] Quick Poll: PHP 4 / 5
Stephen Leaf wrote:
So yes a bug. But for those that want to be able to grab only what we
need. in my
Hello,
on 09/15/2005 09:32 AM Oliver Grätz said the following:
First of all, in many cases code reuse still is a myth. I hate to say it
but it's true. Then, a large potion of the PHP community hasn't even
heard of PEAR. Then, people definitely start projects from scratch. If
You don't know if yo
Stephen Leaf wrote:
So yes a bug. But for those that want to be able to grab only what we need. in
my case array_pop's returned element. I don't wanna be hassled with the "are
you sure you wanted to ignore part of what we did?"
It's almost like every program asking "are you sure you wanted to cl
On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 14:10, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> Well, this is the sort of thing the language should help you with.
> Whether or not the code is incorrect or not is not the relevant question
> I think. The question is whether the language should try to detect when
> you are doing something th
Robert Cummings wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 10:28, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
>
>>Stephen Leaf wrote:
>>
>>>$this->urlArr[0] = array_pop($arr = explode("&",$this->urlArr[0]));
>>>
>>>I still have to scratch my head as to why I *need* that "$arr = "
>>>prior to 5.0.5 this was not needed.
>>>$this->ur
On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 10:28, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> Stephen Leaf wrote:
> >
> > $this->urlArr[0] = array_pop($arr = explode("&",$this->urlArr[0]));
> >
> > I still have to scratch my head as to why I *need* that "$arr = "
> > prior to 5.0.5 this was not needed.
> > $this->urlArr[0] = array_pop(ex
Can't expect everything to be done right on the first try. But it sure was a
big annoyance. Great to hear that work is being done to improve on this.
I personally would rather it just be silently ignored as to me an error line
at the top is the same as it not working at all.
Would love to find a
Stephen Leaf wrote:
>
> $this->urlArr[0] = array_pop($arr = explode("&",$this->urlArr[0]));
>
> I still have to scratch my head as to why I *need* that "$arr = "
> prior to 5.0.5 this was not needed.
> $this->urlArr[0] = array_pop(explode("&",$this->urlArr[0]));
This is a much misunderstood issue
Pooly schrieb:
> [x] I use a layer above PHP which is independant of whether it's PHP4
> or PHP 5, which is running Migration from 4.x to 5.0.3 was as
> simple as changing a DNS record :-)
> http://templeet.org/
A layer above PHP would mean this thing generates code specific to the
underlying
On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 16:25, Pooly wrote:
> 2005/9/13, Ryan A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Hi,
> > I work for a company that makes websites and does custom programming for
> > private indviduals and
> > companies, I also freelance (like many on this list)
> >
> > I'm a bit curious, so far I have had n
2005/9/13, Ryan A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
> I work for a company that makes websites and does custom programming for
> private indviduals and
> companies, I also freelance (like many on this list)
>
> I'm a bit curious, so far I have had no need to upgrade my skills or use the
> slightly differ
On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 08:32, Oliver Grätz wrote:
> Manuel Lemos schrieb:
>
> >>A reference where _I_ have to search is something like a non-answer...
> >
> > If you try searching the bug database for PHP 4 versus PHP 5 opened bug
> > reports you will get your answer.
>
> Same sentence still app
Manuel Lemos schrieb:
>>A reference where _I_ have to search is something like a non-answer...
>
> If you try searching the bug database for PHP 4 versus PHP 5 opened bug
> reports you will get your answer.
Same sentence still applies. But OK: PHP4 has 518 open bugs, PHP5 only
203. What does th
Stephen Leaf wrote:
On Tuesday 13 September 2005 05:52 pm, Ryan A wrote:
[x] I never work with PHP 4 anymore, all my work is with PHP 5
so far I've not found any hosts that do PHP5, however I do all my own hosting
anyway.
I've switched to use PHP5 because I was interested in doing XSL, and
Hello,
on 09/14/2005 08:26 PM Oliver Grätz said the following:
In theory those are the only changes. In practice, besides the
officially admitted changes, there are also the bugs that were not yet
discovered or fixed.
Examples? Links? More information on this? The fact is that on
http://bugs.
Hello,
on 09/14/2005 08:20 PM Richard Lynch said the following:
On Tue, September 13, 2005 7:50 pm, Manuel Lemos wrote:
I also am a bit surprised for the tremendous lack of interest to
upgrade
to PHP 5. Ok, I expected that many people would not want to upgrade
due
to the nightmare of dealing wi
On Tuesday 13 September 2005 05:52 pm, Ryan A wrote:
> [x] I never work with PHP 4 anymore, all my work is with PHP 5
so far I've not found any hosts that do PHP5, however I do all my own hosting
anyway.
I've switched to use PHP5 because I was interested in doing XSL, and the
concept of doing ob
Hey everyone,
I'm the original guy who started this thread, now that it has taken a
totally different curve from
what I originally wrote, kindly dont forward your reply to me and the list,
the discussion is good
though,I just dont need two copies of it :-)
Cheers,
Ryan
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Richard Lynch schrieb:
> [...]
> Some of my sites are on 5.
>
> Some are on 4.
>
> I can't tell a difference.
That's what I am evangelising. People seem very concerned about backward
compatibility issues that _almost_ never come up (hell, the problems of
PHP 4.3.x -> 4.4 are more serious than 4-
Manuel Lemos schrieb:
>>>In theory those are the only changes. In practice, besides the
>>>officially admitted changes, there are also the bugs that were not yet
>>>discovered or fixed.
>>
>>Examples? Links? More information on this? The fact is that on
>
> http://bugs.php.net/
A reference wher
On Tue, September 13, 2005 7:50 pm, Manuel Lemos wrote:
> I also am a bit surprised for the tremendous lack of interest to
> upgrade
> to PHP 5. Ok, I expected that many people would not want to upgrade
> due
> to the nightmare of dealing with backwards incompatible changes, but I
> did not expect
Hello,
on 09/14/2005 01:30 PM Oliver Grätz said the following:
In theory those are the only changes. In practice, besides the
officially admitted changes, there are also the bugs that were not yet
discovered or fixed.
Examples? Links? More information on this? The fact is that on
http://bug
Manuel Lemos schrieb:
> In theory those are the only changes. In practice, besides the
> officially admitted changes, there are also the bugs that were not yet
> discovered or fixed.
Examples? Links? More information on this? The fact is that on
php.internals there are discussions to reduce the
Manuel Lemos schrieb:
> In theory those are the only changes. In practice, besides the
> officially admitted changes, there are also the bugs that were not yet
> discovered or fixed.
Examples? Links? More information on this? The fact is that on
php.internals there are discussions to reduce the
hi Ryan,
here are my crosses :-)
It would be nice if you could compile a small summary
at some stage based on the replies - any chance of that?
Ryan A wrote:
...
[x] I am still working on PHP 4
[] I never work with PHP 4 anymore, all my work is with PHP 5
[] Oops, call me old fashioned but
It seems that PHP 5 is not that much compelling to most people to
justify the change.
I'm sure you're right, but I also think it's a question of work load for the
ISP. Many server upgrades don't occur unless it's urgent and even then they
sometimes get missed.
Plus... the last time I went
Hello,
on 09/13/2005 10:46 PM Oliver Grätz said the following:
Always this stuff about breaking backward compatibility. People seem to
think that the change from 4 to 5 means such a lot. In fact the changes
from PHP4.0 to PHP4.4 are much more numerous. The backwarr incompatible
changes between 4
Hello,
on 09/13/2005 10:39 PM Ben said the following:
I guess this should ring a lot of bells for those that expect to
develop products targetted to PHP 5, because the numbers seem to show
that PHP 5 is a flop, despite PHP 5.0.0 was released more than 1 year
ago.
I think it points more to ho
Ben schrieb:
> [...] Hosting
> providers, which account for the vast majority of hosted domains, are
> pretty conservative.
In Germany they're no that conservative. One of the biggest hosters in
Germany (several million domains) allows to chosse between PHP 3, 4.0.6
4.3.x and 5.x via .htaccess
Always this stuff about breaking backward compatibility. People seem to
think that the change from 4 to 5 means such a lot. In fact the changes
from PHP4.0 to PHP4.4 are much more numerous. The backwarr incompatible
changes between 4 and 5 fit on asingle page of screen:
http://de.php.net/manual/
Manuel Lemos wrote:
I guess this should ring a lot of bells for those that expect to develop
products targetted to PHP 5, because the numbers seem to show that PHP 5
is a flop, despite PHP 5.0.0 was released more than 1 year ago.
I think it points more to hosting providers who don't want to f
Hello,
on 09/13/2005 09:54 PM Ryan A said the following:
Manuel also gave me a very good link:
http://www.nexen.net/interview/index.php?id=49
although the percentages there might not be totally accurate as is today,
coz that may have
been a survey some time back, dont know for sure as I dont und
Hey all,
Hehe, sorry, didnt mean to ruffle anyones feathersjust reply to me and
not the list
if you want to.
Thanks to everyone who replied, esp those like Manuel Lemos who wrote a
pretty
long explanation for his reasons, as did [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sorry
mate,
you didnt leave your name in the
Ryan A wrote:
I'm a bit curious, so far I have had no need to upgrade my skills or use the
slightly different format /
functions of PHP 5.x.infact I have not seen all that many hosts actually
having support for it, so I
thought of this little poll :-)
[x] blah blah
Don't think you'll get a
Hi,
I work for a company that makes websites and does custom programming for
private indviduals and
companies, I also freelance (like many on this list)
I'm a bit curious, so far I have had no need to upgrade my skills or use the
slightly different format /
functions of PHP 5.x.infact I have n
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