Re: [PHP] reporting spam in PHP manual?

2010-09-29 Thread Daniel P. Brown
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:12, MikeB wrote: > Came across this entry as a user comment in the php.net manual. > > http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.exceptions.php#100089 > > Couldn't see how to report it so it could be removed. > > Maybe someone that knows how can tell me, or report it themsel

[PHP] reporting spam in PHP manual?

2010-09-29 Thread MikeB
Came across this entry as a user comment in the php.net manual. http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.exceptions.php#100089 Couldn't see how to report it so it could be removed. Maybe someone that knows how can tell me, or report it themselves? Thanks, -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www

Re: [PHP] Re: where to make observations about current PHP manual?

2010-03-20 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010, Daniel Brown wrote: > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 20:57, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > >  i'm not sure that addresses my post -- it doesn't make grammatical > > sense to state that something is unavailable "since" something that is > > yet to be officially released. > > In mo

Re: [PHP] where to make observations about current PHP manual?

2010-03-20 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010, Daniel Brown wrote: > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 16:59, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > >  i don't see a separate mailing list for documentation so is this > > where i would point at oddities in the manual?  as in, here: > > > > http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.variables.exte

Re: [PHP] where to make observations about current PHP manual?

2010-03-19 Thread Daniel Brown
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 21:04, Daniel Brown wrote: > >    Indeed.  It would probably be better to read, "Unavailable as of > PHP 6."  I'll patch that in the XML sources now, and the next time the > manual rebuilds, the changes will take effect. Future builds will appear as hinted in the follo

Re: [PHP] Re: where to make observations about current PHP manual?

2010-03-19 Thread Daniel Brown
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 20:57, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > >  i'm not sure that addresses my post -- it doesn't make grammatical > sense to state that something is unavailable "since" something that is > yet to be officially released. In most cases, you'd be absolutely correct but PHP is a

Re: [PHP] where to make observations about current PHP manual?

2010-03-19 Thread Daniel Brown
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 16:59, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > >  i don't see a separate mailing list for documentation so is this > where i would point at oddities in the manual?  as in, here: > > http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.variables.external.php > > we read: > > "// Unavailable since PHP 6.

[PHP] Re: where to make observations about current PHP manual?

2010-03-19 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010, Shawn McKenzie wrote: > Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > i don't see a separate mailing list for documentation so is this > > where i would point at oddities in the manual? as in, here: > > > > http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.variables.external.php > > > > we read: > > > >

[PHP] Re: where to make observations about current PHP manual?

2010-03-19 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Robert P. J. Day wrote: > i don't see a separate mailing list for documentation so is this > where i would point at oddities in the manual? as in, here: > > http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.variables.external.php > > we read: > > "// Unavailable since PHP 6." > > that just looks weird, n

[PHP] where to make observations about current PHP manual?

2010-03-19 Thread Robert P. J. Day
i don't see a separate mailing list for documentation so is this where i would point at oddities in the manual? as in, here: http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.variables.external.php we read: "// Unavailable since PHP 6." that just looks weird, no? rday -- ==

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-12 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 16:03 -0500, Andrew Ballard wrote: > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Ashley Sheridan > wrote: > > There's a good reason for OpenOffice having some difficulties with MS > > Office documents. Back when MS rushed through getting their document > > standard ratified by ISO (whi

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-12 Thread Andrew Ballard
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > There's a good reason for OpenOffice having some difficulties with MS > Office documents. Back when MS rushed through getting their document > standard ratified by ISO (which itself is a whole other story) they > didn't explain all the deta

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-12 Thread Nathan Rixham
Ashley Sheridan wrote: > On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 22:38 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote: > >> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 12:13:11PM +1100, clanc...@cybec.com.au wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:18:18 +, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk (Ashley >>> Sheridan) wrote: >>> On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 10:16 +1100,

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-12 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 22:38 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 12:13:11PM +1100, clanc...@cybec.com.au wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:18:18 +, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk (Ashley > > Sheridan) wrote: > > > > >On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 10:16 +1100, Ross McKay wrote: > > > >

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-11 Thread Paul M Foster
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 12:13:11PM +1100, clanc...@cybec.com.au wrote: > On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:18:18 +, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk (Ashley > Sheridan) wrote: > > >On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 10:16 +1100, Ross McKay wrote: > > > ... > > > >There's a good reason for OpenOffice having some dif

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-11 Thread clancy_1
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:18:18 +, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk (Ashley Sheridan) wrote: >On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 10:16 +1100, Ross McKay wrote: > ... > >There's a good reason for OpenOffice having some difficulties with MS >Office documents. Back when MS rushed through getting their document

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-11 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 10:16 +1100, Ross McKay wrote: > On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:12:01 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote: > > >I'm doing quite a bit more work in public sector these days. Recently ne > >department finally did away with IE6 and moved to IE7. Here's what I had > >to do to accomodate this

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Ross McKay
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:12:01 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote: >I'm doing quite a bit more work in public sector these days. Recently ne >department finally did away with IE6 and moved to IE7. Here's what I had >to do to accomodate this gotcha: > > Nothing > >See, that was tough. Why was it so h

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Nathan Rixham
tedd wrote: > At 1:38 PM -0500 2/10/10, Robert Cummings wrote: >> Agreed. Those make sense to demarcate the structure layout of the >> document... but still, for styling the class makes more sense since it >> keeps the specificity low and easy to override (especially true for >> skinnable apps). In

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 19:09 +, Lester Caine wrote: > Shawn McKenzie wrote: > > Lester Caine wrote: > >> Since a large section of our USER base is still tied to W2k and does not > >> have access to install other software, the call for IE6 to die is STILL > >> somewhat premature! > >> What is ne

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread tedd
At 1:38 PM -0500 2/10/10, Robert Cummings wrote: Agreed. Those make sense to demarcate the structure layout of the document... but still, for styling the class makes more sense since it keeps the specificity low and easy to override (especially true for skinnable apps). In my experience I've se

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Michael A. Peters
Andrew Ballard wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Robert Cummings wrote: Nathan Rixham wrote: "The most common misconception of how this element should be used is for the standard sidebar." - see: http://html5doctor.com/understanding-aside/ Unfortunatley I examined that side quite thorou

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Nathan Rixham
Robert Cummings wrote: > Nathan Rixham wrote: >> Robert Cummings wrote: >>> Michael A. Peters wrote: Nathan Rixham wrote: > Michael A. Peters wrote: >> It took very little work since I was essentially doing that already. >> aside is the most logical html 5 layout tag for describing

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Andrew Ballard
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Robert Cummings wrote: > Nathan Rixham wrote: >> "The most common misconception of how this element should be used is for >> the standard sidebar." - see: http://html5doctor.com/understanding-aside/ > > Unfortunatley I examined that side quite thoroughly and got sm

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Robert Cummings
Nathan Rixham wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: Michael A. Peters wrote: Nathan Rixham wrote: Michael A. Peters wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: Many government documents have the concept of "aside" as appearing through the document and contextually near to the information to which the aside relat

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Nathan Rixham
Robert Cummings wrote: > Michael A. Peters wrote: >> Nathan Rixham wrote: >>> Michael A. Peters wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: > Many government documents have the concept of "aside" as appearing > through the document and contextually near to the information to which > the asi

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Robert Cummings
Michael A. Peters wrote: Nathan Rixham wrote: Michael A. Peters wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: Many government documents have the concept of "aside" as appearing through the document and contextually near to the information to which the aside relates. The entire sidebar seems a bit gratuitous

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Nathan Rixham
Michael A. Peters wrote: > Nathan Rixham wrote: >> Michael A. Peters wrote: >>> Robert Cummings wrote: >>> Many government documents have the concept of "aside" as appearing through the document and contextually near to the information to which the aside relates. The entire sidebar s

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Michael A. Peters
Nathan Rixham wrote: Michael A. Peters wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: Many government documents have the concept of "aside" as appearing through the document and contextually near to the information to which the aside relates. The entire sidebar seems a bit gratuitous as an "aside". Sure it's a

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Nathan Rixham
Michael A. Peters wrote: > Robert Cummings wrote: > >> >> Many government documents have the concept of "aside" as appearing >> through the document and contextually near to the information to which >> the aside relates. The entire sidebar seems a bit gratuitous as an >> "aside". Sure it's aside,

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Robert Cummings
Michael A. Peters wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: Many government documents have the concept of "aside" as appearing through the document and contextually near to the information to which the aside relates. The entire sidebar seems a bit gratuitous as an "aside". Sure it's aside, but it's not e

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Michael A. Peters
Robert Cummings wrote: Many government documents have the concept of "aside" as appearing through the document and contextually near to the information to which the aside relates. The entire sidebar seems a bit gratuitous as an "aside". Sure it's aside, but it's not exactly the semantic mean

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Lester Caine
Shawn McKenzie wrote: Lester Caine wrote: Since a large section of our USER base is still tied to W2k and does not have access to install other software, the call for IE6 to die is STILL somewhat premature! What is needed is someone to kick M$ to sort the mess out by at least allowing IE8 to ins

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Robert Cummings
Michael A. Peters wrote: Michael A. Peters wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: Just a word of thought... if you're doing styling... use classes and not IDs. Use of IDs for styling is very often indicative of inexperience, inability, or lack of understanding with respect to CSS. I use ID when ther

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Robert Cummings
Michael A. Peters wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: Just a word of thought... if you're doing styling... use classes and not IDs. Use of IDs for styling is very often indicative of inexperience, inability, or lack of understanding with respect to CSS. I use ID when there will only be one element

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Michael A. Peters
Michael A. Peters wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: Just a word of thought... if you're doing styling... use classes and not IDs. Use of IDs for styling is very often indicative of inexperience, inability, or lack of understanding with respect to CSS. I use ID when there will only be one eleme

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Paul M Foster
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 02:56:36PM +1100, clanc...@cybec.com.au wrote: > > The interesting things in my websites go on behind-the-scenes, in the PHP, > and produce > relatively straightforward HTML. I have avoided the well-known bugs in IE6, > and think my > webpages display correctly on any of

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Michael A. Peters
Robert Cummings wrote: Just a word of thought... if you're doing styling... use classes and not IDs. Use of IDs for styling is very often indicative of inexperience, inability, or lack of understanding with respect to CSS. I use ID when there will only be one element that needs to be styled

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Michael A. Peters
Ashley Sheridan wrote: What about search engines? Will there be any impact on these, particularly with regards to semantic content? I expect semantic markup to (eventually) improve how pages are indexed. Also, are there any browsers that would fall over with unknown tags? I know IE use

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Robert Cummings
Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 13:25 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote: Michael A. Peters wrote: > Bob McConnell wrote: > >> Our SOP is to generate standards compliant pages, validate them with >> Firefox and the HTML Validator add-on, then deal with the deviant >> browsers. It's a l

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 13:25 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote: > > Michael A. Peters wrote: > > Bob McConnell wrote: > > > >> Our SOP is to generate standards compliant pages, validate them with > >> Firefox and the HTML Validator add-on, then deal with the deviant > >> browsers. It's a lot less work

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Robert Cummings
Michael A. Peters wrote: Bob McConnell wrote: Our SOP is to generate standards compliant pages, validate them with Firefox and the HTML Validator add-on, then deal with the deviant browsers. It's a lot less work than trying to do it the other way around. There are a few minor issues, such as

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 10:20 -0800, Michael A. Peters wrote: > Bob McConnell wrote: > > > > > Our SOP is to generate standards compliant pages, validate them with > > Firefox and the HTML Validator add-on, then deal with the deviant > > browsers. It's a lot less work than trying to do it the othe

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Michael A. Peters
Ashley Sheridan wrote: The W3C validator rejects that autocomplete attribute because it still isn't in any valid standard. Some browsers have introduced it, and PCI requires it to be there for browsers that recognise it, but it's not a good security feature, as browsers don't have to honor it

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Michael A. Peters
Bob McConnell wrote: Our SOP is to generate standards compliant pages, validate them with Firefox and the HTML Validator add-on, then deal with the deviant browsers. It's a lot less work than trying to do it the other way around. There are a few minor issues, such as W3C still refusing to allow

RE: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 11:20 -0500, Bob McConnell wrote: > From: Ashley Sheridan > > On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 10:17 -0500, Bob McConnell wrote: > >> From: Robert Cummings > >>> Lester Caine wrote: > James McLean wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:26 PM, wrote: > >> On Thu, 04 Feb 201

RE: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Bob McConnell
From: Ashley Sheridan > On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 10:17 -0500, Bob McConnell wrote: >> From: Robert Cummings >>> Lester Caine wrote: James McLean wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:26 PM, wrote: >> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:39:03 +0100, joc...@iamjochem.com (Jochem >> Maas) wrote: >>>

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Robert Cummings
Bob McConnell wrote: From: Robert Cummings Lester Caine wrote: James McLean wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:26 PM, wrote: On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:39:03 +0100, joc...@iamjochem.com (Jochem Maas) wrote: as for using IE6 ... WTF ... you do realise this is essentially a web developers maili

RE: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 10:17 -0500, Bob McConnell wrote: > From: Robert Cummings > > Lester Caine wrote: > >> James McLean wrote: > >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:26 PM, wrote: > On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:39:03 +0100, joc...@iamjochem.com (Jochem > Maas) wrote: > > as for using IE6 ... WTF .

RE: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Bob McConnell
From: Robert Cummings > Lester Caine wrote: >> James McLean wrote: >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:26 PM, wrote: On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:39:03 +0100, joc...@iamjochem.com (Jochem Maas) wrote: > as for using IE6 ... WTF ... you do realise this is essentially a web > developers mailing list r

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Robert Cummings
Richard Quadling wrote: On 10 February 2010 13:02, Ashley Sheridan wrote: I've not had any personal experience with the public sector, but I have heard stories from those who have. By all accounts, it seems that most of the public sector is still stuck in the dark ages with regards to technolog

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Robert Cummings
Ashley Sheridan wrote: I've not had any personal experience with the public sector, but I have heard stories from those who have. By all accounts, it seems that most of the public sector is still stuck in the dark ages with regards to technology, which could go some way to explaining the abysmal

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Robert Cummings
Lester Caine wrote: James McLean wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:26 PM, wrote: On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:39:03 +0100, joc...@iamjochem.com (Jochem Maas) wrote: as for using IE6 ... WTF ... you do realise this is essentially a web developers mailing list right? The interesting things in my we

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 09:41 -0500, tedd wrote: > At 7:02 AM -0600 2/10/10, Shawn McKenzie wrote: > >Lester Caine wrote: > >> Since a large section of our USER base is still tied to W2k and does not > >> have access to install other software, the call for IE6 to die is STILL > >> somewhat premat

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread tedd
At 7:02 AM -0600 2/10/10, Shawn McKenzie wrote: Lester Caine wrote: Since a large section of our USER base is still tied to W2k and does not have access to install other software, the call for IE6 to die is STILL somewhat premature! What is needed is someone to kick M$ to sort the mess out b

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Richard Quadling
On 10 February 2010 13:02, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > I've not had any personal experience with the public sector, but I have > heard stories from those who have. By all accounts, it seems that most > of the public sector is still stuck in the dark ages with regards to > technology, which could go s

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 07:02 -0600, Shawn McKenzie wrote: > Lester Caine wrote: > > Since a large section of our USER base is still tied to W2k and does not > > have access to install other software, the call for IE6 to die is STILL > > somewhat premature! > > What is needed is someone to kick M$ t

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-10 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Lester Caine wrote: > Since a large section of our USER base is still tied to W2k and does not > have access to install other software, the call for IE6 to die is STILL > somewhat premature! > What is needed is someone to kick M$ to sort the mess out by at least > allowing IE8 to install on W2k mac

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-09 Thread Lester Caine
James McLean wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:26 PM, wrote: On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:39:03 +0100, joc...@iamjochem.com (Jochem Maas) wrote: as for using IE6 ... WTF ... you do realise this is essentially a web developers mailing list right? The interesting things in my websites go on behind-t

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-09 Thread James McLean
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:26 PM, wrote: > On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:39:03 +0100, joc...@iamjochem.com (Jochem Maas) wrote: >>as for using IE6 ... WTF ... you do realise this is essentially a web >>developers mailing list right? > > The interesting things in my websites go on behind-the-scenes, in t

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-09 Thread clancy_1
On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:39:03 +0100, joc...@iamjochem.com (Jochem Maas) wrote: >Op 2/4/10 1:32 AM, clanc...@cybec.com.au schreef: >> Recently I have frequently found, especially in the morning (GMT 2200 - >> 0200), that I can >> open a bookmark in the manual, for example >> http://www.php.net/man

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-03 Thread Jochem Maas
Op 2/4/10 1:32 AM, clanc...@cybec.com.au schreef: > Recently I have frequently found, especially in the morning (GMT 2200 - > 0200), that I can > open a bookmark in the manual, for example > http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.image.php. > But if I then do a search of any type I get 'The page cannot

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-03 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 11:32 +1100, clanc...@cybec.com.au wrote: > Recently I have frequently found, especially in the morning (GMT 2200 - > 0200), that I can > open a bookmark in the manual, for example > http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.image.php. > But if I then do a search of any type I get '

[PHP] PHP Manual problems

2010-02-03 Thread clancy_1
Recently I have frequently found, especially in the morning (GMT 2200 - 0200), that I can open a bookmark in the manual, for example http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.image.php. But if I then do a search of any type I get 'The page cannot be displayed'. I then cannot reach any page, including th

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual in PDF format

2009-07-07 Thread James Colannino
Richard Quadling wrote: > $ pecl install haru > [...] > $ phd -f pdf -t phppdf -d .manual.xml I installed haru, yet when I try the phd command, I get a "class 'HaruDoc' not found" error :( Has this happened to anyone else? James -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe

Re: [PHP] PHP Manual in PDF format

2009-07-07 Thread Richard Quadling
2009/7/7 Angus Mann : > Hi all. I realize this question has been asked before and I've found > responses in the archive, but none of the links work now, or the files they > point to are old or unsuitable. > > I'd like to print the most recent PHP manual to paper, so

[PHP] PHP Manual in PDF format

2009-07-07 Thread Angus Mann
Hi all. I realize this question has been asked before and I've found responses in the archive, but none of the links work now, or the files they point to are old or unsuitable. I'd like to print the most recent PHP manual to paper, so I need it in a format that's suitable. I&#

Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems

2008-08-28 Thread Jochem Maas
Lester Caine schreef: Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel wrote: Hahaha.. THAT one told exactly what I feel! Thanks :o))) Also a big thanks to the others who already replied. Waiting for more on that Great one Jochem!! If they only want a simple set of pages, then it's probably not worth the hass

Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems

2008-08-28 Thread Larry Garfield
You're not really a PHP developer until you've written your own CMS from scratch. It's a right of passage to roll your own, realize what a bad idea it is, and move on to using a full on general CMS that will do 10x what you can do on you own in 1/10 the effort on your parts. My own bias is for

Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems

2008-08-28 Thread Lester Caine
Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel wrote: Hahaha.. THAT one told exactly what I feel! Thanks :o))) Also a big thanks to the others who already replied. Waiting for more on that Great one Jochem!! If they only want a simple set of pages, then it's probably not worth the hassle of configuring a CMS

Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems OT

2008-08-28 Thread Jochem Maas
Carlos Medina schreef: Watch him go... there is Carloos, the man infront of all the others. He is WAY ahead, and he is gaining more and more speed. He is an adult, and he is sooo adult that he can't even take a laugh... see him run from the humor! Faster and faster he runs... and there

Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems

2008-08-28 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 08:46 -0400, Jason Pruim wrote: > Joomla is a large content management system that allows novice people > to edit the pages without touching the actual design. It's all > template driven and works quite well. Not the most lightweight > solution though... I've used quite

Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems

2008-08-28 Thread tedd
At 11:17 AM +0200 8/28/08, Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel wrote: Hi all! And again, a slightly off topic subject for you all from yours truly :o) I have a "customer" (helicopter company) who is willing to give me some free flights for a small website. Now, I have been talking to my sister in law who i

Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems OT

2008-08-28 Thread Carlos Medina
Watch him go... there is Carloos, the man infront of all the others. He is WAY ahead, and he is gaining more and more speed. He is an adult, and he is sooo adult that he can't even take a laugh... see him run from the humor! Faster and faster he runs... and there it is: the goal: an open c

Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems

2008-08-28 Thread TG
27;m leaving jobs half done sometimes. -TG - Original Message - From: "Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:17:03 +0200 Subject: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems > Hi all! > > And again, a slightly off topic subject for you

RE: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems

2008-08-28 Thread Chris Haensel
-:- -Original Message- -:- From: Carlos Medina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -:- Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 2:48 PM -:- To: php-general@lists.php.net -:- Subject: Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems -:- -:- Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel schrieb: -:- > -:- -Original Mess

Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems

2008-08-28 Thread Carlos Medina
Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel schrieb: -:- -Original Message- -:- From: Jochem Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -:- Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:46 PM -:- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -:- Cc: php-general@lists.php.net -:- Subject: Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems -:- -:- Auto-Deppe, C

Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems

2008-08-28 Thread Jason Pruim
Joomla is a large content management system that allows novice people to edit the pages without touching the actual design. It's all template driven and works quite well. Not the most lightweight solution though... On Aug 28, 2008, at 8:37 AM, Govinda wrote: (is Joomla a kind of wysiwyg e

Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems

2008-08-28 Thread Govinda
(is Joomla a kind of wysiwyg editor? Does CMS mean content management system? ..like blog software?) I leave the commentary about CMS Systems/Joomla -vs.- hand-coding to the experts here who have had way more experience with both than I have... What I can offer may be considered OT or ju

RE: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems

2008-08-28 Thread Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel
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Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems

2008-08-28 Thread Jochem Maas
Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel schreef: Hi all! And again, a slightly off topic subject for you all from yours truly :o) I have a "customer" (helicopter company) who is willing to give me some free flights for a small website. Now, I have been talking to my sister in law who is a designer (note: desig

Re: [PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems

2008-08-28 Thread Jason Pruim
On Aug 28, 2008, at 5:17 AM, Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel wrote: Hi all! And again, a slightly off topic subject for you all from yours truly :o) I have a "customer" (helicopter company) who is willing to give me some free flights for a small website. Now, I have been talking to my sister in

[PHP] Manual Coding vs. CMS Systems

2008-08-28 Thread Auto-Deppe, C. Haensel
Hi all! And again, a slightly off topic subject for you all from yours truly :o) I have a "customer" (helicopter company) who is willing to give me some free flights for a small website. Now, I have been talking to my sister in law who is a designer (note: designer, not coder). She said I should

Re: [PHP] manual vs. meta refresh

2007-08-13 Thread Kevin Murphy
On Aug 13, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Richard Lynch wrote: Of course, the question of whether it's a Good Idea to show something different for a manual Refresh versus META refresh springs to mind... I can't see why you'd want to do this for anything other than educational purposes... Well, as the OP,

Re: [PHP] manual vs. meta refresh

2007-08-13 Thread Richard Lynch
On Sat, August 11, 2007 9:39 pm, Robert Cummings wrote: > On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 19:36 -0700, Geoff Nicol wrote: >> Rob, >> >> What you suggested, which matches the theory of what I and others >> suggested, would certainly work as an ID that changes is involved. >> >> If you read the specific postin

Re: [PHP] manual vs. meta refresh

2007-08-12 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sun, 2007-08-12 at 13:47 +0200, Tijnema wrote: > On 8/12/07, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 22:11 -0500, Richard Lynch wrote: > > > You don't do it there. > > > > > > You do whatever it is you have to do in the URL before you re-direct. > > > > > > Though I

Re: [PHP] manual vs. meta refresh

2007-08-12 Thread Tijnema
On 8/12/07, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 22:11 -0500, Richard Lynch wrote: > > You don't do it there. > > > > You do whatever it is you have to do in the URL before you re-direct. > > > > Though I guess if you want different output on that page, you would > > n

Re: [PHP] manual vs. meta refresh

2007-08-11 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 22:11 -0500, Richard Lynch wrote: > You don't do it there. > > You do whatever it is you have to do in the URL before you re-direct. > > Though I guess if you want different output on that page, you would > need to set something somewhere, be it session, database, or a cooki

Re: [PHP] manual vs. meta refresh

2007-08-11 Thread Richard Lynch
You don't do it there. You do whatever it is you have to do in the URL before you re-direct. Though I guess if you want different output on that page, you would need to set something somewhere, be it session, database, or a cookie. On Sat, August 11, 2007 8:25 pm, Geoff Nicol wrote: > And if the

Re: [PHP] manual vs. meta refresh

2007-08-11 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 19:36 -0700, Geoff Nicol wrote: > Rob, > > What you suggested, which matches the theory of what I and others > suggested, would certainly work as an ID that changes is involved. > > If you read the specific posting by Richard Lynch, which is what I was > replying to, you wil

Re: [PHP] manual vs. meta refresh

2007-08-11 Thread Geoff Nicol
Rob, What you suggested, which matches the theory of what I and others suggested, would certainly work as an ID that changes is involved. If you read the specific posting by Richard Lynch, which is what I was replying to, you will note he suggest refreshing to a static 'was_meta_refresh_before' l

Re: [PHP] manual vs. meta refresh

2007-08-11 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 18:26 -0700, Geoff Nicol wrote: > And if they do a manual refresh on the page you re-directed to, the > "was_meta_refresh_before" flag will be set. > How will you tell it from a meta-refresh redirect? I already explained this in previous email. Go read the history of this thr

Re: [PHP] manual vs. meta refresh

2007-08-11 Thread Geoff Nicol
And if they do a manual refresh on the page you re-directed to, the "was_meta_refresh_before" flag will be set. How will you tell it from a meta-refresh redirect? You need to use a cookie or session id. Regardless, by reading the whole thread and 'cheating off the other students' this has been pre

Re: [PHP] manual vs. meta refresh

2007-08-11 Thread Richard Lynch
On Fri, August 10, 2007 6:51 pm, Geoff Nicol wrote: > That was my first thought as well but you will still have to use a > session > variable or cookie for the page following redirect to know it was a > meta-refresh. No. For the page following, you can use some other GET parameter, such as "was_m

Re: [PHP] manual vs. meta refresh

2007-08-11 Thread tedd
At 2:10 AM +0200 8/11/07, Tijnema wrote: On 8/11/07, Richard Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, August 10, 2007 1:26 pm, Kevin Murphy wrote: > I doubt this, but is there any way to determine via PHP if a browser > was refreshed automatically via a META tag vs the person clicking the >

Re: [PHP] manual vs. meta refresh

2007-08-10 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 02:10 +0200, Tijnema wrote: > On 8/11/07, Richard Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, August 10, 2007 1:26 pm, Kevin Murphy wrote: > > > I doubt this, but is there any way to determine via PHP if a browser > > > was refreshed automatically via a META tag vs the person

Re: [PHP] manual vs. meta refresh

2007-08-10 Thread Tijnema
On 8/11/07, Richard Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, August 10, 2007 1:26 pm, Kevin Murphy wrote: > > I doubt this, but is there any way to determine via PHP if a browser > > was refreshed automatically via a META tag vs the person clicking the > > refresh button? > > You could embed some

Re: [PHP] manual vs. meta refresh

2007-08-10 Thread Richard Lynch
On Fri, August 10, 2007 1:26 pm, Kevin Murphy wrote: > I doubt this, but is there any way to determine via PHP if a browser > was refreshed automatically via a META tag vs the person clicking the > refresh button? You could embed something in the META tag's URL such as: http://example.com?from_me

Re: [PHP] manual vs. meta refresh

2007-08-10 Thread Tijnema
On 8/10/07, Stut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kevin Murphy wrote: > > I doubt this, but is there any way to determine via PHP if a browser was > > refreshed automatically via a META tag vs the person clicking the > > refresh button? > > Add a GET variable to the URL you put in the meta tag to tell

Re: [PHP] manual vs. meta refresh

2007-08-10 Thread Richard Davey
Hi Kevin, Friday, August 10, 2007, 7:26:30 PM, you wrote: > I doubt this, but is there any way to determine via PHP if a browser > was refreshed automatically via a META tag vs the person clicking the > refresh button? You could dynamically generate the meta tag, so it refreshes to your page w

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