From: "Andreas D. Landmark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I'd second this suggestion, the general list has become flooded with posts
that
> seems like a pop-quiz taken straight from the manual...
Right. I've just signed up the list and I've all but given up on trying to
follow things. Just way too much
At 04.08.2001 17:27, Joel Ricker wrote:
> > Similarly the FAQ is easy to find, and I do believe the words "support"
> > suggest where help may be found.
>
>Actually my suggestion would be to take a page from way the Python lists are
>and call it tutor or PHP-tutor.
I'd second this suggestion, the
> Similarly the FAQ is easy to find, and I do believe the words "support"
> suggest where help may be found.
Actually my suggestion would be to take a page from way the Python lists are
and call it tutor or PHP-tutor.
Joel
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From: Darren Henderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:41 AM
To: B. van Ouwerkerk
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S
Darren, et. al.,
Everything gets posted here - general syntax, database and install
questions. Just look at the volume of php-mysql related questions; if they
were directly posted on php-db the volume would drop to a more manageable
level. Similarly, usage of php-install would help reduce traf
t; Soren Kierkegaard
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> From: Sam Masiello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:15 PM
> To: Darren Henderson
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [PHP] New lists (was [PHP] Attitude of B van Ouwerkerk)
>
>
> I think
> Maybe the problem is a poor educational system; some people are just too
> lazy to do research / properly phrase a query for a search engine /
> experiment a bit before posting?
They've been trained by Microsoft and other commercial software vendors
whose documentation sucks, whose help systems
> selecting behavior possible. Currenty all questions go to php-general. If
> there were, say, a php-newuser and a php-questions list then perhaps
> php-general could be used for slightly higher level discussions. Actually
This paricular can of worms has been discussed *WAY* too often already.
C
On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, B. van Ouwerkerk wrote:
> There's nothing wrong with being a newbie.. the only newbie-problem I
> see/have is the lazy one.. ask ask ask ask without taking the time to read
> the manual or to do a search in the archive. Sure there are newbies who
> read the manual.. get so
What!!? I always thought it was the fine manual. Gosh, I'm so naive.
Blushing in Nova Scotia - Miles
At 04:39 PM 8/1/01 +0200, Alexander Wagner wrote:
>scott [gts] wrote:
> > so now it's shifted from his attitude to your seeming
> > inability to cope with "words related to sexual intercourse"?
scott [gts] wrote:
> so now it's shifted from his attitude to your seeming
> inability to cope with "words related to sexual intercourse"?
>
> we all need to calm down and relax.
Hey, all I said was that he did not RTFM, but RTM, the version without
"fucking".
regards
Wagner
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so now it's shifted from his attitude to your seeming
inability to cope with "words related to sexual intercourse"?
we all need to calm down and relax.
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> From: Alexander Wagner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Subject: Re: [PHP] Attitude of B v
Ok, I've been following this thread for the last few minutes ... and I have
to wonder what is this list for if not to ask questions, thereby
learning. Yes there's tons of different resources online, yup, that would
mean this is one too.
If you don't want to waste your time and read a question
eem to an experienced PHP user) and moderated into a heirarchy by
subject... The annotations in the PHP manual can be incredibly helpful
on occasion.
--Matt
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From: B. van Ouwerkerk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 5:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subj
B. van Ouwerkerk wrote:
> Ask yourself.. who has an attitude problem here.. Someone who didn't
> read the manual.. or someone (/me) who wrote to RTFM.
You didn't even RTFM him. I found it to be more like RTM, the more
gentle version (the one without words connected to sexual intercourse).
Your a
man!
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From: "B. van Ouwerkerk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP] Attitude of B van Ouwerkerk
> Let me give just one re
Let me give just one reply.. I did read them all..
I don't hate Kyle Smith /me rather uses the energy needed to hate in a
positive way.. Like to write docs for an opensource project. Did a rewrite
once..
Phil Driscoll.. you win. I'm Dutch. No I don't have time to go a few times
over my mail j
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>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:17 PM
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> > Not for this list specifically, and not as well used as it might be ;)
> >
> > http://www.php.net/manual/en/faq.ph
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To: "php" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:17 PM
Subject: RE: [PHP] Attitude of B van Ouwerkerk
> Not for this list specifically, and not as well used as it might be ;)
>
> http://www.php.net/manual/en/faq.php
>
> Kirk
>
>
> > what
Not for this list specifically, and not as well used as it might be ;)
http://www.php.net/manual/en/faq.php
Kirk
> what is up with a faq for this list? is there one?
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on 7/31/01 12:37 PM, scott [gts] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> there's a fine line between being terse and being nasty.
>
> please don't misinterpret this, but i think that we
> could all benefit from being less sensitive of the
> style each of us express ourselves in...
once again, scott, you
I've just looked at his emails for the last week, and he is a helpful guy!
Not only is he helpful, I'll wager he's being helpful in a language that's
not his native tongue, so it's utterly unreasonable to expect the subtle
'gentle' idioms that you might get from a native speaker who had plenty
there's a fine line between being terse and being nasty.
please don't misinterpret this, but i think that we
could all benefit from being less sensitive of the
style each of us express ourselves in...
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PhP'ers
I would suggest that people not think too hard about this and continue
programming.
Thats right get back to work...:)
Have Fun!
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This is not to condone discourtesy, but the key to this complaint
is "being on the list for a while".
In the everyday friction of life, terse emails are easily
misinterpreted. I happen to feel that van Ouwerkerk's reponse
is not "disgraceful", and attributing it to his "attitude" is
a leap of t
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From: "Jeff Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Steve Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "PHP List"
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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:23 AM
Subject: RE: [PHP] Attitude of B van Ouwerkerk
> It'
y, July 31, 2001 2:22 PM
> To: PHP List
> Subject: [PHP] Attitude of B van Ouwerkerk
>
>
> I have to say, after only being a member of the list for a while that the
> attitude of B van Ouwerkerk to be disgraceful.
>
> Everybody needs help sometimes, and no one can know i
I have to say, after only being a member of the list for a while that the
attitude of B van Ouwerkerk to be disgraceful.
Everybody needs help sometimes, and no one can know it all.. so if you don't
have anything positive to say, then don't say anything!
Thanks for reading,
Steve Wright
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