Re: [PHP] Re: Announcing Xaja, a PHP Reverse Ajax framework

2007-07-16 Thread David Négrier
I don't believe there is an equivalent in other languages. In Java, the closest match might be DWR for the Reverse Ajax approach, or maybe GWT for the "no Javascript" approach. I'm not completely sure, but I think nobody took exactly the same approach yet, because Xaja opens a large number of pr

Re: [PHP] Re: Announcing Xaja, a PHP Reverse Ajax framework

2007-07-15 Thread Sancar Saran
On Saturday 14 July 2007 15:01:13 David Négrier wrote: Hi I just watching your screen cast, it has very good ideas. I wonder does any other language has same kind of aproach. Later or sooner this kind of aproach become must in web business. Regards Sancar. > Indeed, Xaja relies on the keepin

Re: [PHP] Re: Announcing Xaja, a PHP Reverse Ajax framework

2007-07-14 Thread David Négrier
Indeed, Xaja relies on the keeping of an open connexion between the server and the browser. In fact, it uses, the Comet approach (which is a pain to implement in Javascript because the IE code and the Firefox code are completely different). (more information here: http://www.thecodingmachine.com/cm

Re: [PHP] Re: Announcing Xaja, a PHP Reverse Ajax framework

2007-07-13 Thread Richard Lynch
You can't even be guaranteed to GET the client's IP address in their request, much less assume that it's going to be the same when you want to push data out to it!!! So any Xaja-like technology has to rely on keeping the HTTP connection open, really... Does seem pretty cool, though probably not s

Re: [PHP] Re: Announcing Xaja, a PHP Reverse Ajax framework

2007-07-13 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On 7/13/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, that's why AJAX is there, you do a check to a server to see if there's any new data to parse, if so, then you update (and probably only one or two divs on your site, and not the whole page) I understand the use of AJAX to only update a subset

Re: [PHP] Re: Announcing Xaja, a PHP Reverse Ajax framework

2007-07-13 Thread Tijnema
On 7/13/07, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/13/07, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This isn't possible since you can't request a connection to the client's > machine. Only the other way around. hmm... in that case perhaps the open connection could be employed and the

Re: [PHP] Re: Announcing Xaja, a PHP Reverse Ajax framework

2007-07-13 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On 7/13/07, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This isn't possible since you can't request a connection to the client's machine. Only the other way around. hmm... in that case perhaps the open connection could be employed and the feature used selectively; only on certain pages for insta

Re: [PHP] Re: Announcing Xaja, a PHP Reverse Ajax framework

2007-07-13 Thread Robert Cummings
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 14:59 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote: > > On 7/13/07, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I haven't looked at the code for Xaja and in no way do I want to > > subtract from its potential, but I'm going to guess that in some way > it > > holds the HTTP connection open an

Re: [PHP] Re: Announcing Xaja, a PHP Reverse Ajax framework

2007-07-13 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On 7/13/07, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I haven't looked at the code for Xaja and in no way do I want to subtract from its potential, but I'm going to guess that in some way it holds the HTTP connection open and as such is an expensive feature. Also, I'm not entirely sure, but isn't

Re: [PHP] Re: Announcing Xaja, a PHP Reverse Ajax framework

2007-07-13 Thread Robert Cummings
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 14:28 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote: > I have imagined being able to connect to a client browser and push changes > to the client rather than have something sit on the client side and > periodically wait for updates. > or only update when the client refreshes the page manually. b

Re: [PHP] Re: Announcing Xaja, a PHP Reverse Ajax framework

2007-07-13 Thread Nathan Nobbe
I have imagined being able to connect to a client browser and push changes to the client rather than have something sit on the client side and periodically wait for updates. or only update when the client refreshes the page manually. both of those antiquated options are ugly. the push technique

[PHP] Re: Announcing Xaja, a PHP Reverse Ajax framework

2007-07-13 Thread Colin Guthrie
Daniel Brown wrote: >And to you, yes, "colourful" has a U in it. Well, guess what > it does for us, too! Just not in the "color" part, but rather the > "ful" part. So there! D'oh! You got me there :p Col -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://

Re: [PHP] Re: Announcing Xaja, a PHP Reverse Ajax framework

2007-07-13 Thread Robert Cummings
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 10:40 -0400, Jason Pruim wrote: > On Jul 13, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Daniel Brown wrote: > > > > > >And to you, yes, "colourful" has a U in it. Well, guess what > > it does for us, too! Just not in the "color" part, but rather the > > "ful" part. So there! > > > > It'

Re: [PHP] Re: Announcing Xaja, a PHP Reverse Ajax framework

2007-07-13 Thread Robert Cummings
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 10:31 -0400, Daniel Brown wrote: > On 7/13/07, Colin Guthrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I reckon it should be pronounced "zah-jah" in English. (the same Z sound > > as in Xavier) > > > > I wouldn't listen to the Americans in San Fran. Americans always > > pronounce

Re: [PHP] Re: Announcing Xaja, a PHP Reverse Ajax framework

2007-07-13 Thread Jason Pruim
On Jul 13, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Daniel Brown wrote: And to you, yes, "colourful" has a U in it. Well, guess what it does for us, too! Just not in the "color" part, but rather the "ful" part. So there! It's all about "U" isn't it? ;) -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager

Re: [PHP] Re: Announcing Xaja, a PHP Reverse Ajax framework

2007-07-13 Thread Daniel Brown
On 7/13/07, Colin Guthrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I reckon it should be pronounced "zah-jah" in English. (the same Z sound as in Xavier) I wouldn't listen to the Americans in San Fran. Americans always pronounce English in a weird and colourful way (and yes, colourful has a U in i

[PHP] Re: Announcing Xaja, a PHP Reverse Ajax framework

2007-07-13 Thread Colin Guthrie
David Négrier wrote: > Regarding the way Xaja is pronounced well that's a good > question. > Actually, I'm French and my pronunciation is... well... French ;), so I > won't give you any advice on how to pronounce it. > However, I will present Xaja in San Francisco at the Ajax Exper