RE: [PHP] [semi OT]: Planning projects

2005-03-25 Thread kamen 123
Hello For planning project I like simplistic design and scalability. I describe business objects involved in the project and the processes between them with plain text and schemas. Discuss them with the client. When he confirms these documents I write code according to this functional design/plan

RE: [PHP] [semi OT]: Planning projects

2005-03-23 Thread Chris W. Parker
Burhan Khalid on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 10:56 PM said: > One approach that I liked (I forgot what book it was mentioned in) > involves using a whiteboard and post-it notes. > > You put your entities on the post it notes, then draw flow lines on > the whiteboard. T

RE: [PHP] [semi OT]: Planning projects

2005-03-23 Thread Chris W. Parker
Richard Lynch on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 10:31 PM said: > Personally, I'd opt for working on the macro first, and making that as > clean and clear as you can, really thinking deeply on it. > > Put it away for a day or two and pull it out. > > Does it all still make

Re: [PHP] [semi OT]: Planning projects

2005-03-22 Thread Burhan Khalid
Chris W. Parker wrote: Jay Blanchard on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 4:47 AM said: +1 for pencil & paper or whiteboard. And in the words of Obi Jay, "Use the flowchart Chris" I would very much like to use flowcharts but I haven't been able to use them effectively yet. Th

RE: [PHP] [semi OT]: Planning projects

2005-03-22 Thread Richard Lynch
On Tue, March 22, 2005 8:58 am, Chris W. Parker said: > Jay Blanchard > on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 4:47 AM said: > >> +1 for pencil & paper or whiteboard. And in the words of Obi Jay, "Use >> the flowchart Chris" > > I would very much like to use flowcharts but I have

Re: [PHP] [semi OT]: Planning projects

2005-03-22 Thread Justin Lilly
Well this one hasn't been offered yet: I just subscribed to php|architect and there was an article in either the Feb or March issue (I got them 1 day apart so I don't remember off hand) about a system of design. I'll try not to give too much away, but it used index cards. The index cards each repr

RE: [PHP] [semi OT]: Planning projects

2005-03-22 Thread Chris W. Parker
Jay Blanchard on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 4:47 AM said: > +1 for pencil & paper or whiteboard. And in the words of Obi Jay, "Use > the flowchart Chris" I would very much like to use flowcharts but I haven't been able to use them effectively yet. That is, I'm not sure

Re: [PHP] [semi OT]: Planning projects

2005-03-22 Thread Jason Barnett
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Re: [PHP] [semi OT]: Planning projects

2005-03-22 Thread symbulos partners
Brent Baisley wrote: > I remember reading that UML was fairly complex. Although brief reading > up on it, it didn't seem all that hard. I think the next version is > supposed to be simpler. I made a decision about 6 months wether I was > going to learn UML or design patterns next. I chose design p

Re: [PHP] [semi OT]: Planning projects

2005-03-22 Thread Brent Baisley
I remember reading that UML was fairly complex. Although brief reading up on it, it didn't seem all that hard. I think the next version is supposed to be simpler. I made a decision about 6 months wether I was going to learn UML or design patterns next. I chose design patterns, and really think

RE: [PHP] [semi OT]: Planning projects

2005-03-22 Thread Jay Blanchard
[snip] So my question has to do with planning a project (not necessarily a website in general, but a programming project specifically). I've got Visio 2003 and a pad of paper with a pencil. I'm pretty much willing to try out different methods although I prefer a visual approach. [/snip] +1 for pen

Re: [PHP] [semi OT]: Planning projects

2005-03-21 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 18:43, Richard Lynch wrote: > On Mon, March 21, 2005 2:55 pm, Chris W. Parker said: > > a pad of paper with a pencil. > > +1 +1 For the most part if you're working on this alone, then the pencil, paper approach is probably the best. It doesn't matter how carefully you plan

RE: [PHP] [semi OT]: Planning projects

2005-03-21 Thread Miles Thompson
I'm with Richard - lots of scrap paper, couple of nice sharp HB pencils ... let it ferment a bit, then pseudocode in a plain text editor. As for the graphics - well, I have an old template used in Introductory Basic for the Control Data Corporation . Haven't used it since about 1970, but then k

RE: [PHP] [semi OT]: Planning projects

2005-03-21 Thread Chris W. Parker
Richard Lynch on Monday, March 21, 2005 3:44 PM said: > On Mon, March 21, 2005 2:55 pm, Chris W. Parker said: >> a pad of paper with a pencil. > > +1 > Seriously, any time I try to plan something out for any kind of > programming, I find that a nice big desk surfac

Re: [PHP] [semi OT]: Planning projects

2005-03-21 Thread Richard Lynch
On Mon, March 21, 2005 2:55 pm, Chris W. Parker said: > a pad of paper with a pencil. +1 :-) Seriously, any time I try to plan something out for any kind of programming, I find that a nice big desk surface, and a pencil and paper are the best tools. After I've got things worked out on paper, wi

[PHP] [semi OT]: Planning projects

2005-03-21 Thread Chris W. Parker
Hello, This is the only "programming" list I participate in so that is why I'm asking my question here. I hope no one objects greatly! So my question has to do with planning a project (not necessarily a website in general, but a programming project specifically). I've got Visio 2003 and a pad of