[PHP] PHP 5.4.17 released!

2013-07-04 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hello! The PHP development team announces the immediate availability of PHP 5.4.17. About 20 bugs were fixed. All users of PHP are encouraged to upgrade to this release. For source downloads of PHP 5.4.17 please visit our downloads page: http://www.php.net/downloads.php Windows binaries can be f

Re: [PHP] Web dev, DB and "proper db design".

2013-07-04 Thread musicdev
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Tamara Temple wrote: > > On Jul 4, 2013, at 8:02 AM, Jim Giner > wrote: > > > On 7/4/2013 6:42 AM, Richard Quadling wrote: > >> Hi. > >> > >> I've just had a conversation regarding DB, foreign keys and their > benefits. > >> > >> I was told "I've never worked on a

Re: [PHP] Web dev, DB and "proper db design".

2013-07-04 Thread Tamara Temple
On Jul 4, 2013, at 8:02 AM, Jim Giner wrote: > On 7/4/2013 6:42 AM, Richard Quadling wrote: >> Hi. >> >> I've just had a conversation regarding DB, foreign keys and their benefits. >> >> I was told "I've never worked on a web application where foreign keys were >> used in the database". >> >>

Re: [PHP] Web dev, DB and "proper db design".

2013-07-04 Thread Andy McKenzie
I think it depends on the application. A lot of small web apps simply don't need any kind of normalization, and it really does make sense to put everything in one table, or a couple of unlinked tables. Therefore, on those apps, there's no need for foreign keys. For instance: I used one in-house

Re: [PHP] Web dev, DB and "proper db design".

2013-07-04 Thread Lester Caine
Richard Quadling wrote: Is there a difference in those in 'startups' and web only situations, or those doing more traditional development (split that as you like - I'm just trying to get an understanding and not go off on one!). Depends if you consider MySQL is any use as a real database :) Bui

[PHP] Re: Web dev, DB and "proper db design".

2013-07-04 Thread Jim Giner
On 7/4/2013 6:42 AM, Richard Quadling wrote: Hi. I've just had a conversation regarding DB, foreign keys and their benefits. I was told "I've never worked on a web application where foreign keys were used in the database". As someone who has spent 25 years working on accounting/epos systems on

[PHP] Re: Web dev, DB and "proper db design".

2013-07-04 Thread Tony Marston
"Richard Quadling" wrote in message news:CAKUjMCWJ4wiUO904OvYkS53Fsg4PPXa=qbokcvhwfemcpkp...@mail.gmail.com... Hi. I've just had a conversation regarding DB, foreign keys and their benefits. I was told "I've never worked on a web application where foreign keys were used in the database". As

[PHP] Web dev, DB and "proper db design".

2013-07-04 Thread Richard Quadling
Hi. I've just had a conversation regarding DB, foreign keys and their benefits. I was told "I've never worked on a web application where foreign keys were used in the database". As someone who has spent 25 years working on accounting/epos systems on MS SQL Server (yep, windows) and now in a web