[Pan-users] Re: updated info - O.T.

2010-08-06 Thread Duncan
Travis posted on Fri, 06 Aug 2010 18:18:35 -0700 as excerpted: [quoting me] >> my younger sister did far better, and actually took medicine in Mexico, >> she's a doctor > > I usually take my medicine at home? LOL! Well, her home /was/ in Mexico (at least to the point that any medicine she took

Re: [Pan-users] Re: updated info - O.T.

2010-08-06 Thread Travis
-Original Message- From: Duncan Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:58 PM To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: [Pan-users] Re: updated info - O.T. my younger sister did far better, and actually took medicine in Mexico, she's a doctor I usually take my medicine at home? Windows Live

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2010-08-06 Thread Duncan
Petr Kovar posted on Fri, 06 Aug 2010 22:10:52 +0200 as excerpted: > One might ask whether the new system was respectful to values of > (traditional) family institution. > > Surely, a driving force behind these changes was completely different in > the Eastern bloc when compared to the U.S. In th

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2010-08-06 Thread Petr Kovar
Duncan, Thu, 5 Aug 2010 22:53:14 + (UTC): (...) > (FWIW, I use reiserfs and likely will continue to until btrfs stabilizes, > and did have in mind all the work put into that, despite the unfortunate > situation it's in with its namesake being a convicted murderer of his > former wife -- ta

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2010-08-06 Thread Petr Kovar
Alan Meyer, Thu, 5 Aug 2010 15:28:11 -0700 (PDT): (...) > The open source world tends to be very technology intensive, > often with those other roles that are common in the broader > information systems world, completely missing. Exactly, and I think it's often harmful for open source communitie

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2010-08-06 Thread Duncan
Steven D'Aprano posted on Fri, 06 Aug 2010 18:22:48 +1000 as excerpted: > On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 06:14:21 am Duncan wrote: > >> Hmm... perhaps putting it in terms Stallman might understand, >> "Every abuse victim now has a lord, a master, that has the potential to >> torment them for the rest of the

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2010-08-06 Thread Duncan
Steven D'Aprano posted on Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:10:05 +1000 as excerpted: > Because you think so little of your wife, daughter and female peers that > you imagine that they can't cope with reminders that life is sometimes > unpleasant? No, because they shouldn't have to. Neither should anyone, for

Re: [Pan-users] Re: updated info - O.T.

2010-08-06 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 06:14:21 am Duncan wrote: > Hmm... perhaps putting it in terms Stallman might understand, given > the quote below (tho the parallel isn't perfect and doesn't in this > pseudoquote reflect the ability to, with work and time, master the > former master)... > > "Every abuse victim

Re: [Pan-users] Re: updated info - O.T.

2010-08-06 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 01:18:25 pm Alan Meyer wrote: > Steven, > > Our postings have crossed in the ether. I didn't see this before > posting a reply to your last one, and of course you hadn't seen > my reply. > > Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > > Perhaps if more of us would transpose remarks like Stallma

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2010-08-05 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:33:22 pm Alan Meyer wrote: > Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > ... > > > > http://img341.imageshack.us/i/qsoladvertisementps2.jpg/ > > > > > > OK, I can see both sides of that one. As a guy, it's amusing, > > > but offensive as well, because I can empathize with women. > > > > Why

Re: [Pan-users] Re: updated info - O.T.

2010-08-05 Thread Alan Meyer
Steven, Our postings have crossed in the ether. I didn't see this before posting a reply to your last one, and of course you hadn't seen my reply. Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > Perhaps if more of us would transpose remarks like Stallman's, > > substituting our own favorite gender, religion, race,

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2010-08-05 Thread Alan Meyer
Steven D'Aprano wrote: ... > > http://img341.imageshack.us/i/qsoladvertisementps2.jpg/ > > > > OK, I can see both sides of that one. As a guy, it's amusing, but > > offensive as well, because I can empathize with women. > > Why on earth would it be *offensive*? It's empowering. It's > about a wo

Re: [Pan-users] Re: updated info - O.T.

2010-08-05 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 04:37:33 am Alan Meyer wrote: > I didn't expect that so many programmers would agree with > Stallman. I hope it's just that they were the ones most > motivated to write, and not that they're really in the majority. > > Perhaps if more of us would transpose remarks like Stallman

Re: [Pan-users] Re: updated info

2010-08-05 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 04:06:59 pm Duncan wrote: > This one's a well known classic from 2000. It's an ad for QSOL (a > Linux server company now out of business, for the best, many would > agree, after this, after the reaction they apologized and pulled the > ad, but ran it again (!!) in 2007) that ap

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2010-08-05 Thread Duncan
Alan Meyer posted on Thu, 05 Aug 2010 15:28:11 -0700 as excerpted: > It seems common in the U.S. information processing world to find men > working on the technology and women working on the content. > > The open source world tends to be very technology intensive, often with > those other roles t

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2010-08-05 Thread Duncan
Petr Kovar posted on Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:48:05 +0200 as excerpted: >> Their share of >> the FLOSS community is lower as well, tho that may have to do as much >> with opportunity in a formerly closed society as it does with >> recognition/ monetary compensation priorities. > > Well, I live in one

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2010-08-05 Thread Alan Meyer
Petr Kovar wrote: > Duncan, Thu, 5 Aug 2010 06:06:59 + (UTC): > ... > > One of the topics of discussion (and alarm, in some quarters, > > from both sides) in the FLOSS community (various talks at > > conferences, articles on LWN and the like) has been the fact > > that while women /do/ seem t

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2010-08-05 Thread Petr Kovar
Duncan, Thu, 5 Aug 2010 06:06:59 + (UTC): > walt posted on Wed, 04 Aug 2010 16:12:20 -0700 as excerpted: > > >> to > >> prevent the otherwise female assumption. Could/will that some day > >> happen to computer coding? I don't know. > > > > It's already happening. I tune in occasionally to

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2010-08-05 Thread Duncan
Alan Meyer posted on Thu, 05 Aug 2010 11:37:33 -0700 as excerpted: [quote from Stallman from my post] >> " >> [W]e also have the cult of the virgin of emacs. The virgin of emacs is >> any female who has not yet learned how to use emacs. And in the church >> of emacs we believe that taking her

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2010-08-05 Thread Alan Meyer
Alan Meyer wrote: > ... > I read the exchange between David "Lefty" Schlesinger and Richard > Stallman, and a fair number of the comments. > ... I should have quoted Duncan's citation to this exchange. Here it is: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/EMACS_virgins_joke -- Alan Meyer amey...@y

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2010-08-05 Thread Alan Meyer
Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: <... Many interesting comments elided ...> > One of the most recent (July, 2009 Gran Canaria Desktop > Summit), and it's a shame it's only now being addressed as he's > been making the references in public presentations for years, > is the Richard M Stallman r

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2010-08-04 Thread Duncan
walt posted on Wed, 04 Aug 2010 16:12:20 -0700 as excerpted: >> to >> prevent the otherwise female assumption. Could/will that some day >> happen to computer coding? I don't know. > > It's already happening. I tune in occasionally to the video streams > from M$ and Sun/Oracle and Adobe to list

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2010-08-04 Thread walt
On 08/04/2010 02:01 AM, Duncan wrote: Thanks, Duncan. I always learn something interesting when you ramble off- topic. (Which you do very rarely, of course.) I think being forced to pick between he/she when referring to any arbitrary person is simply a bad design decision by whoever invented

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2010-08-04 Thread Zing
On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 11:49:03 -0600, K. Haley wrote: > On 8/3/2010 8:11 PM, Zing wrote: >> On a whim, I tried making it the "default" by changing the "use-regex" >> to "true" in preferences.xml, but I get a seg fault. Either I'm doing >> it wrong or that's just not supported... yet. ;) Thanks! >>

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2010-08-04 Thread K. Haley
On 8/3/2010 8:11 PM, Zing wrote: > On a whim, I tried making it the "default" by changing the "use-regex" to > "true" in preferences.xml, but I get a seg fault. Either I'm doing it > wrong or that's just not supported... yet. ;) Thanks! > Fixed on both master and testing. signature.asc Des

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2010-08-04 Thread Duncan
walt posted on Tue, 03 Aug 2010 16:43:04 -0700 as excerpted: > On 08/03/2010 02:31 AM, Duncan wrote: > >> K Haley's the most obvious candidate given his community repo... > > Heh, interesting how perceptions differ in cyberspace. Ordinarily I > wouldn't even mention this, but I've had a few gla

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2010-08-04 Thread Duncan
Petr Kovar posted on Wed, 04 Aug 2010 00:51:30 +0200 as excerpted: > Thanks for pointing out that discussion. I couldn't resist and added a > comment myself: > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=541676#c34 I'm CCed on the bug, and read that comment there before I saw the post here, bu

[Pan-users] Re: updated info

2010-08-03 Thread Zing
On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:31:32 +, Duncan wrote: > So now's the time to step up if anyone's interested or has any ideas of > someone who might be. I think most of us would be fine with KHaley, and +1! > it's obvious from the comment that Charles is, but given that it's a > volunteer position a

[Pan-users] Re: updated info

2010-08-03 Thread Zing
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:54:05 -0600, K. Haley wrote: > Rebuilt testing has: > filtering on all headers for cached articles > some fixes? to text handling in article pane > bug424083: git based info in UA header & about dialog > bug403797: allowing subject line use in save dialog > > Any comments?

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2010-08-03 Thread walt
On 08/03/2010 02:31 AM, Duncan wrote: K Haley's the most obvious candidate given his community repo... Heh, interesting how perceptions differ in cyberspace. Ordinarily I wouldn't even mention this, but I've had a few glasses of wine and my good judgement is obviously impaired. AFAICR, K. ha

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2010-08-03 Thread Petr Kovar
Hi! Duncan, Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:31:32 + (UTC): > FWIW, it's official now (no longer speculation): Charles is now > definitely looking for someone to take over pan maintainership. He's no > longer interested, as he says he rarely if ever runs a news client any > more. > > K Haley's the most o

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2010-08-03 Thread Duncan
walt posted on Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:34:48 -0700 as excerpted: > On 08/02/2010 02:54 PM, K. Haley wrote: >> I've just moved some things from testing to master and rebuilt the >> testing branch. > > >> Any comments? > > Yes indeed. Thank you! for contributing your skills to the pan project > while