Re: [Pan-users] Bye bye pan 0.14, what's next for pan 0.1xx?

2012-05-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/09/2012 11:33 AM, Maurice Batey wrote: On Wed, 09 May 2012 16:11:29 +, Jim Henderson wrote: The new version of Pan is a complete rewrite, and doesn't use the old rules engine or config. Oh, brilliant! Ah well, I'll just stay with 32-bit a while longer then. But what are the 'N

Re: [Pan-users] ANN : Ubuntu package PPA

2012-05-06 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/07/2012 12:22 AM, Jeffrey Needle wrote: I add repositories using the Ubuntu Software Center. Try adding the ppa through the software center, and you'll see what I mean. I just double-checked something -- in my copy and paste of the ppa line, I accidentally had a leading space before the r

Re: [Pan-users] ANN : Ubuntu package PPA

2012-05-06 Thread Ron Johnson
sed: 1 gpg: imported: 1 (RSA: 1) On 05/06/2012 11:07 PM, Jeffrey Needle wrote: The check box that lights up to enable you to add the ppa to the list of software sources remains grayed out. This seems to indicate there's something wrong with the ppa line. On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 5:39

Re: [Pan-users] ANN : Ubuntu package PPA

2012-05-06 Thread Ron Johnson
Telling us that it didn't work without showing us what you did doesn't really help. Anyway, I added the ppa with complete success. On 05/06/2012 05:16 PM, Jeffrey Needle wrote: Is there something missing from the ppa line on this page? It won't add on my Ubuntu 12.04 system. On Sun, May 6,

Re: [Pan-users] Use Multiple Server Names?

2012-04-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On 04/17/2012 06:23 PM, JW wrote: I am a new user of Ubuntu (10.11), and Pan 0.133. I am a refugee from Windows XP, and a long time user of Forte Agent. I subscribe to a paid News Server. I want to try Pan, but I can’t figure how to do something. I want to group selected news groups into two c

Re: [Pan-users] configure fails on GMIME package check

2012-04-06 Thread Ron Johnson
On 04/06/2012 12:59 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/06/2012 10:44 AM, Duncan wrote: You have the runtime half installed but are trying to build something depending on it, so need the dev half as well. As a Fedora user, I can tell you that Duncan is right on, except that you'll probably need to look

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On 03/23/2012 06:49 AM, Rui Maciel wrote: On 03/22/2012 09:00 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: So true. While Tbird puts my cursor at the bottom of the window, more and more I must manually move the cursor to the top because non-geeks have been trained by Outlook and webmail to type at the top. Do you

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 03/22/2012 10:06 PM, thufir wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:08:27 -0500, David Kelly wrote: Outlook is a disease where properly formatted replies are almost impossible to create. I start to see evil MS conspiracies, except that I cannot fathom what the payoff is for MS to turn everyone into

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 03/22/2012 01:08 PM, David Kelly wrote: On Mar 22, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Duncan wrote: Ron Johnson posted on Thu, 22 Mar 2012 04:00:37 -0500 as excerpted: While Tbird puts my cursor at the bottom of the window, more and more I must manually move the cursor to the top because non-geeks have

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 03/22/2012 03:54 AM, thufir wrote: On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:34:44 +1100, Steven D'Aprano wrote: The bug you refer to was probably that pan didn't display text/html mimetype blocks even as plain text, in the buggy versions. It probably treated those mime parts as attachments, instead. That i

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-02-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/09/2012 12:14 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/09/2012 09:32 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Between Outlook, Hotmail, Lotus Notes, and Gmail, good email practice is vanishing. And let's not forget Android. I have a Nook Tablet that does email. Not only is it hard coded to do top posting, you can't

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-02-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/09/2012 10:06 AM, Rui Maciel wrote: On 02/09/2012 04:02 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: This list is a tiny fraction of a drop in a very large ocean. Ok, then. Pick your mailing list. Mailing lists are read (not counting nntp-gateways) using *mail* apps. Most mail I receive is (sadly) html

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-02-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/09/2012 09:54 AM, Rui Maciel wrote: On 02/09/2012 02:49 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: and HTML isn't used a lot (rarely, if all) in emails Yeah... no. How many HTML emails have been sent to this mailing list? Feel free to comb through the archives. This list is a tiny fraction of a

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-02-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/09/2012 08:28 AM, Rui Maciel wrote: On 02/09/2012 01:47 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: The war against bad netiquette in mail and newsgroups, of course. I don't see that "war" as having been lost. Bottom-posting is still the norm Uh-huh. and HTML isn't used a lot

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-02-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/09/2012 07:34 AM, Rui Maciel wrote: On 02/09/2012 01:24 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: Christ on a stick, people! That war was lost as soon as Windows users with Outlook Express invaded the Intarweb, and *over* when gmail defaulted to top-posting and and html formatting. What war are you

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-02-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/09/2012 07:07 AM, Rui Maciel wrote: On 02/09/2012 12:34 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I really don't understand the choice of displaying HTML attachments in-line as raw text. It seems to be saying "Screw you, I dislike HTML posts and so will deliberately make them as obnoxious and annoying a

[Pan-users] Tor is too shard a two-edged sword (was Re: HELP: Could not connect to ...)

2012-01-02 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/02/2012 02:15 PM, Rhialto wrote: [snip] You are probably really not using TOR. It is the paranoia of the news server administrator, I think. I used to be a tor exitnode for a while, trying to do a good thing for humanity. Instead, I got blacklisted on a What's good for the dissident figh

Re: [Pan-users] git repo not working ?

2011-12-07 Thread Ron Johnson
On 12/07/2011 07:43 AM, Heinrich Mueller wrote: Am 07.12.2011 09:18, schrieb Ron Johnson: On 12/07/2011 01:48 AM, Heinrich Mueller wrote: [snip] I left a message in pan-devel, Necessary but insufficient. :) (Not that you're the 50th developer to post a message to $FOO-devel and expec

Re: [Pan-users] git repo not working ?

2011-12-07 Thread Ron Johnson
On 12/07/2011 01:48 AM, Heinrich Mueller wrote: [snip] I left a message in pan-devel, Necessary but insufficient. :) (Not that you're the 50th developer to post a message to $FOO-devel and expect the world to know to look for it...) -- Vegetarians eat vegetables, Humanitarians frighten me

Re: [Pan-users] looking for help in creating the git version

2011-11-25 Thread Ron Johnson
On 11/25/2011 11:54 PM, Bob Davenport wrote: On 11/25/2011 11:50 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 11/25/2011 11:21 PM, Bob Davenport wrote: I downloaded the latest version of pan2 this evening and also checked and installed the missing files and such as listed (GTK+, gmime, etc.) in the INSTALL text

Re: [Pan-users] looking for help in creating the git version

2011-11-25 Thread Ron Johnson
On 11/25/2011 11:21 PM, Bob Davenport wrote: I downloaded the latest version of pan2 this evening and also checked and installed the missing files and such as listed (GTK+, gmime, etc.) in the INSTALL text. As the old saying goes, I'm so lost I don't know where I'm lost from... HELP Inst

Re: [Pan-users] Automating NZB downloads

2011-11-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On 11/08/2011 04:13 PM, Graham Lawrence wrote: Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 20:15:54 -0600 Excerpted From: Ron Johnson That sounds like a weird use of arrays. Its a great convenience. If you have a list of items and you are interested only in one or two of them, using an array gives you

Re: [Pan-users] Automating NZB downloads

2011-11-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On 11/08/2011 01:32 AM, Heinrich Mueller wrote: Am 08.11.2011 00:46, schrieb Ron Johnson: [snip] You could also implement it in a loop: cd /home/g/Films tmpfile=$(mktemp -u) QUEUE=~/my_list_of_NZBs.txt while [ -s $QUEUE ]; do NZB=$(head -n1 $QUEUE) pan --no-gui -o . --nzb "$NZB&quo

[Pan-users] Automating NZB downloads

2011-11-07 Thread Ron Johnson
On 11/07/2011 12:22 PM, Graham Lawrence wrote: Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 20:15:54 -0600 From: Ron Johnson pan --no-gui -o /home/g/Films --nzb "${nzb[1]}" 2>/home/g/pan.debug Slight topic change: are you trying to d/l from a list of nzb files? Yes and no. I download nzbs ma

Re: [Pan-users] Command line use; download of nzb files does not stop

2011-11-06 Thread Ron Johnson
On 11/06/2011 09:38 AM, Graham Lawrence wrote: [snip] pan --no-gui -o /home/g/Films --nzb "${nzb[1]}" 2>/home/g/pan.debug Slight topic change: are you trying to d/l from a list of nzb files? -- Vegetarians eat vegetables, Humanitarians frighten me. __

[Pan-users] Synchronous vs asynchronous (was Re: Command line use; download of nzb files does not stop)

2011-11-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On 11/05/2011 12:13 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 11/05/2011 09:23 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: It is common sense really: before pressing Send, consider how your email will appear to the recipient. Will it make sense? Can they understand what you are responding to? Do they have to scroll through 20 pag

Re: [Pan-users] Pan-users Digest, Vol 106, Issue 3

2011-11-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On 11/05/2011 09:27 AM, Graham Lawrence wrote: [snip] And I think, above all a real man would be independent, and entirely unconcerned with "Real Men's" need for group solidarity and identification. So you'd think... -- Vegetarians eat vegetables, Humanitarians frighten me.

Re: [Pan-users] Command line use; download of nzb files does not stop

2011-11-05 Thread Ron Johnson
PLEASE snip the *huge* amounts of redundant verbiage!!! On 11/05/2011 08:48 AM, Graham Lawrence wrote: On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:00 AM, wrote: Send Pan-users mailing list submissions to pan-users@nongnu.org [snip] it is. Thank you again for all your excellent advice, and I do apolo

Re: [Pan-users] Command line use; download of nzb files does not stop

2011-11-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On 11/04/2011 02:57 PM, Zan Lynx wrote: On Thu, 2011-11-03 at 22:47 +, Duncan wrote: Ron Johnson posted on Thu, 03 Nov 2011 17:34:09 -0500 as excerpted: Anyway... "Task Manager" (Real Men run top(1) in a separate window...) just reports what the kernel tells it. Meanwhile,

Re: [Pan-users] Command line use; download of nzb files does not stop

2011-11-03 Thread Ron Johnson
On 11/03/2011 05:47 PM, Duncan wrote: Ron Johnson posted on Thu, 03 Nov 2011 17:34:09 -0500 as excerpted: Anyway... "Task Manager" (Real Men run top(1) in a separate window...) just reports what the kernel tells it. I parsed his "task manager" reference as to pan's

Re: [Pan-users] Command line use; download of nzb files does not stop

2011-11-03 Thread Ron Johnson
I've used "pan --no-gui --nzb ${FOO}.nzb -o ." on *many* occasions and it always returns to the $ prompt when d/l is complete. Using v0.135. If you want something to run only if a process errors out, then use "||". For example: $ pan --no-gui --nzb ${FOO}.nzb -o . || dem Anyway... "Task

Re: [Pan-users] Someone hasn't upgraded in a while... (was Re: Ubuntu 11.10 version ...)

2011-10-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/22/2011 03:56 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/22/2011 01:40 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: http://www.xfce.org/images/about/screenshots/4.8-1.png That's what I want. Either the config windows are using terms that I'm not familiar with, or xbuntu made some changes. Yes, and that's exa

Re: [Pan-users] Someone hasn't upgraded in a while... (was Re: Ubuntu 11.10 version ...)

2011-10-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/22/2011 03:16 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/22/2011 01:01 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: I tried that, but Xfce 4.8 mandates that the panel be at the top of the screen, and I just don't like that... It was possible in v4.6 but they removed it. A full-featured (i.e., the way GNOME 2 does it)

Re: [Pan-users] Someone hasn't upgraded in a while... (was Re: Ubuntu 11.10 version ...)

2011-10-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/22/2011 02:17 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/22/2011 09:47 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: Eventually, though, as apps are rewritten to use GTK3, I'll be left behind. Do what I did: migrate to XFCE. I tried that, but Xfce 4.8 mandates that the panel be at the top of the screen, and I just

Re: [Pan-users] Someone hasn't upgraded in a while... (was Re: Ubuntu 11.10 version ...)

2011-10-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/22/2011 12:02 PM, Rhialto wrote: On Sat 22 Oct 2011 at 11:47:54 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: (as opposed to unmaintained, 8yo s/w like nethack) Hey, who says NetHack is unmaintained? The DevTeam thinks of everything! :-) v3.4.3 was released in 2003. Maybe the DevTeam got zapped by a

Re: [Pan-users] Someone hasn't upgraded in a while... (was Re: Ubuntu 11.10 version ...)

2011-10-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/22/2011 02:40 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/22/2011 01:52 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/21/2011 08:07 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070719) That's *ancient*.

Re: [Pan-users] Someone hasn't upgraded in a while... (was Re: Ubuntu 11.10 version ...)

2011-10-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/22/2011 01:52 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/21/2011 08:07 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070719) That's *ancient*. If it's not broken, don't break it by updating. That's onl

Re: [Pan-users] Someone hasn't upgraded in a while... (was Re: Ubuntu 11.10 version ...)

2011-10-21 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/21/2011 08:07 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070719) That's *ancient*. If it's not broken, don't break it by updating. That's only valid if subsequent versions are broken. -- Supporting World Peace Thr

[Pan-users] Someone hasn't upgraded in a while... (was Re: Ubuntu 11.10 version ...)

2011-10-21 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/21/2011 07:32 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/21/2011 01:13 PM, Rick Knight wrote: [massive snippage] Thanks Petr. [snip] Please, people: delete the unneeded cruft!! (Maybe quote auto-hide is actually bad thing...) "Maybe" User-Agent: Thund

Re: [Pan-users] Ubuntu 11.10 version of Pan repeating images

2011-10-21 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/21/2011 01:13 PM, Rick Knight wrote: [massive snippage] Thanks Petr. [snip] Please, people: delete the unneeded cruft!! (Maybe quote auto-hide is actually bad thing...) -- Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification ___ Pan-users mai

Re: [Pan-users] Ubuntu 11.10 version of Pan repeating images

2011-10-21 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/20/2011 03:25 PM, Scott Pettigrew wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:35 PM, David Shochat mailto:david.shoc...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Yes, I upgraded to 11.10 and I'm seeing that too (with pan 0.133). However, with 0.135, the problem does not occur. -- David David: You're

Re: [Pan-users] 64 bits fails as solution to large binary groups

2011-10-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/18/2011 04:09 AM, Duncan wrote: [snip] But regardless, as I pointed out, the last rewrite was five years ago and we've not seen new code implementing a disk-based pan and/or sqlite backend yet, Or Berkley DB, for that matter. Anything that provides b-trees. and he who cod

Re: [Pan-users] OS X install instructions

2011-10-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/14/2011 01:47 PM, Johan Ovlinger wrote: Is there a web page or somesuch detailing how to install on OS X? I'm migrating off linux after a good 17 years of buidling and maintaining my own box; just don't have the time any more. Not that it answers your question, but that's why I migrated

Re: [Pan-users] 64 bits fails as solution to large binary groups

2011-10-11 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/11/2011 12:33 AM, Duncan wrote: Ron Johnson posted on Mon, 10 Oct 2011 08:19:51 -0500 as excerpted: On 10/10/2011 04:55 AM, Duncan wrote: Ron Johnson posted on Sun, 09 Oct 2011 22:15:24 -0500 as excerpted: [snip] The biggest problem is pan's assumption that it has al

Re: [Pan-users] 64 bits fails as solution to large binary groups

2011-10-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/10/2011 10:41 PM, Duncan wrote: Ron Johnson posted on Mon, 10 Oct 2011 08:00:56 -0500 as excerpted: On 10/10/2011 04:55 AM, Duncan wrote: Ron Johnson posted on Sun, 09 Oct 2011 22:15:24 -0500 as excerpted: It's a fact that 32-bit Pan runs out of *process* address space at aroun

Re: [Pan-users] 64 bits fails as solution to large binary groups

2011-10-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/10/2011 04:55 AM, Duncan wrote: Ron Johnson posted on Sun, 09 Oct 2011 22:15:24 -0500 as excerpted: [snip] The biggest problem is pan's assumption that it has all the information necessary to maintain its threading structure in memory at all times. In ordered to really allow p

Re: [Pan-users] 64 bits fails as solution to large binary groups

2011-10-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/10/2011 04:55 AM, Duncan wrote: Ron Johnson posted on Sun, 09 Oct 2011 22:15:24 -0500 as excerpted: On 10/09/2011 09:58 PM, Lacrocivious Acrophosist wrote: Ron Johnson writes: [64-bit pan] One of the first things that I did was try out Pan on a binary group. Many hours later, it

Re: [Pan-users] 64 bits fails as solution to large binary groups

2011-10-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/10/2011 01:05 AM, Heinrich Mueller wrote: Am 10.10.2011 05:15, schrieb Ron Johnson: On 10/09/2011 09:58 PM, Lacrocivious Acrophosist wrote: Ron Johnson writes: Having to upgrade to Ubuntu Maverick because Natty sucks, I decided to also migrate to 64 bits now that Adobe has released a

Re: [Pan-users] 64 bits fails as solution to large binary groups

2011-10-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/09/2011 09:58 PM, Lacrocivious Acrophosist wrote: Ron Johnson writes: Having to upgrade to Ubuntu Maverick because Natty sucks, I decided to also migrate to 64 bits now that Adobe has released a 64 bit Flash. One of the first things that I did was try out Pan on a binary group. Many

[Pan-users] 64 bits fails as solution to large binary groups

2011-10-09 Thread Ron Johnson
Having to upgrade to Ubuntu Maverick because Natty sucks, I decided to also migrate to 64 bits now that Adobe has released a 64 bit Flash. One of the first things that I did was try out Pan on a binary group. Many hours later, it had fetched 6 weeks of headers and consumed 6.8GB of RAM. The 2

Re: [Pan-users] Can't PAN downloading a huge group of large Unuseable Windows EXE archives

2011-10-02 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/02/2011 09:04 PM, jimmcken...@earthlink.net wrote: I selected a group of "possibly" RAR exe archives in a usenet group. ARK says they are ALL Window$/DO$ executable archives. Ubuntu says they Why would you want to do that? Anyway, those are usually virus-laden. are archives but can't o

Re: [Pan-users] Stupid question

2011-09-23 Thread Ron Johnson
$ apt-cache policy git git: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1:1.7.1-1.1ubuntu0.1~ppa1~lucid1 Version table: 1:1.7.1-1.1ubuntu0.1~ppa1~lucid1 0 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/lucid-bleed/ppa/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages Hmmm. Looks like you need to install the licid-bleed ppa. Ar

Re: [Pan-users] Stupid question

2011-09-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On 09/23/2011 07:04 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 09/23/2011 06:01 PM, Evan Morris wrote: I've found 0.135 at http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/releases/0.135/source/, but I have no idea of how to install it. I'm using Ubuntu 10.04. Anyone having a slow afternoon and want to craft an e

Re: [Pan-users] Stupid question

2011-09-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On 09/23/2011 06:01 PM, Evan Morris wrote: I've found 0.135 at http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/releases/0.135/source/, but I have no idea of how to install it. I'm using Ubuntu 10.04. Anyone having a slow afternoon and want to craft an explanation for the truly clueless? Use the git reposit

[Pan-users] REQ: verbose option when running GUI-less

2011-09-16 Thread Ron Johnson
Hi, $ pan --no-gui -o . -nzb foo.nzb This is silent, and though that may be the Unix Way, I hate it because, well, it's silent. Can "you" add a -v/--verbose option to indicate which files have been downloaded? Thanks -- Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification

Re: [Pan-users] Newbie question about unviewable posts

2011-09-15 Thread Ron Johnson
Unless you are wedded to the web interface, you could install Thunderbird and use it with gmail's IMAP interface. On 09/15/2011 08:46 PM, Graham Lawrence wrote: Many thanks, David Shochat, for the tip about Edit Subject. Just shows how selective one's vision can be. I never use Cc or Bcc so I

Re: [Pan-users] GMail and HTML

2011-09-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On 09/15/2011 01:16 PM, Travis wrote: -Original Message- From: Duncan Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:09 AM To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] GMail and HTML Travis posted on Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:56:15 -0700 as excerpted: I use GMail and my messages are not in HTML.

Re: [Pan-users] GMail and HTML

2011-09-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On 09/15/2011 12:56 PM, Travis wrote: I use GMail and my messages are not in HTML. And we are certainly glad. Anyway, next time you send an email like this, describe what you did to disable html. Otherwise, it's just nyah-nyah bragging. -- Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacificatio

[Pan-users] [Semi-OT] git question (was Re: Handy new feature...)

2011-09-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On 09/14/2011 12:01 PM, Heinrich Mueller wrote: [snip] Done for now. Needs a little cleanup but works. Please provide feedback. It seems pretty inefficient to re-grab the whole tree every time I want to build pan. $ rm -rf pan2 && git clone git://github.com/judgefudge/pan2 What's the comma

Re: [Pan-users] Handy new feature...

2011-09-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 09/14/2011 12:01 PM, Heinrich Mueller wrote: [snip] Done for now. Needs a little cleanup but works. Please provide feedback. The in-memory loading of headers is still a brick wall of unusability. Will get back soon, though, regarding the download dir updates. -- Supporting World Peace Th

Re: [Pan-users] Handy new feature...

2011-09-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 09/14/2011 07:35 AM, "Heinrich Müller" wrote: Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 06:43:34 -0500 Von: Ron Johnson An: pan-users@nongnu.org Betreff: [Pan-users] Handy new feature... In the Task Window, if you hover/leave the mouse pointer over an indiv

[Pan-users] Handy new feature...

2011-09-14 Thread Ron Johnson
In the Task Window, if you hover/leave the mouse pointer over an individual task, details of the task pop up in a yellow info window. Thanks to whoever did that! -- Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-us

Re: [Pan-users] Does "Get All Headers" ...

2011-09-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 09/14/2011 05:15 AM, Heinrich Mueller wrote: Am 14.09.2011 05:41, schrieb Ron Johnson: On 09/13/2011 10:18 PM, Jim Henderson wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:00:19 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: blindly get all headers whether or not they're already in the groups cache, or does it check fir

Re: [Pan-users] Configure failure of 0.135

2011-09-13 Thread Ron Johnson
On 09/14/2011 12:52 AM, Duncan wrote: Ron Johnson posted on Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:26:50 -0500 as excerpted: [snip] That suggests a distro-related dependency, likely a library pulled in as an indirect dependency by some random *.la file, but never actually linked against by pan. This is

[Pan-users] Configure failure of 0.135

2011-09-13 Thread Ron Johnson
I think that ./configure doesn't require that the ssl dev files exist. When I installed libssl-dev (Debian-based distro), then pan built correctly. Here's what the failed build looked like: $ git clone git://github.com/judgefudge/pan2 $ cd pan2 $ ./autogen.sh config.status: executing default-1

Re: [Pan-users] Does "Get All Headers" ...

2011-09-13 Thread Ron Johnson
On 09/13/2011 10:18 PM, Jim Henderson wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:00:19 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: blindly get all headers whether or not they're already in the groups cache, or does it check first to see whether the header has been downloaded? It gets all headers. There's no ea

[Pan-users] Does "Get All Headers" ...

2011-09-13 Thread Ron Johnson
blindly get all headers whether or not they're already in the groups cache, or does it check first to see whether the header has been downloaded? -- Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org ht

Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-03 Thread Ron Johnson
On 07/03/2011 10:27 AM, Heinrich Mueller wrote: On 07/03/11 13:03, Duncan wrote: Looking at HMueller's git logs, I'm guessing he had no clue on pan's history and GNKSA when he did the following commit (log excerpt, there was more to the commit but this is the pertinent part for us): [snip] B

[Pan-users] HNKSA (was Re: Policy discussion: GNKSA)

2011-07-03 Thread Ron Johnson
After reading your email, I've come to the conclusion that Windows Live Mail wins the Horrible Net Keeping Seal of Approval for the abominable way that it quotes in reply messages. (Yes, I top-posted, bit since I'm changing topic, that's OK.) On 07/03/2011 01:35 PM, Travis wrote: -Origi

[Pan-users] [OT] Awful Bar (was Re: New Feature - Uploading binaries)

2011-06-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/27/2011 07:44 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: [snip] I'm so sick of the places.sqlite dance that I've gone back to using Firefox 2. (Well, that and the "awesome bar", which is evil. But that's a rant for another day.) There's an Add-on for that... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/ad

Re: [Pan-users] New Feature - Uploading binaries

2011-06-25 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/25/2011 08:29 AM, Heinrich Mueller wrote: On 05/31/11 18:20, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/31/2011 08:08 AM, Heinrich Mueller wrote: [snip] Do you guys have any feature requests for me to get my brainchild going ? We always appreciate new features. Now, if you want to earn my eternal non

Re: [Pan-users] Pan 0.99999999999999

2011-06-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/17/2011 09:06 AM, Duncan wrote: [snip] FWIW, it shouldn't require them for that. It'd either be a hard dependency, pulled in when pan is installed, or not required, as pan's decoding is built-in. (I haven't looked in awhile, but IIRC it includes its own slightly modified copy of IDR which

Re: [Pan-users] Pan 0.99999999999999

2011-06-16 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/16/2011 02:27 AM, Bob Davenport wrote: Will there ever be the possibility of uploading binaries in Pan? As far as I can tell, there is no application that allows binary uploading under Linux. I know that Agent can be run under wine, been there, done that. But with the 1680 x 1050 screen re

Re: [Pan-users] Top-posting (was Re: compile error on Natty Ubuntu)

2011-06-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/15/2011 05:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/15/2011 02:00 PM, Duncan wrote: It's worth noting that such a huge block isn't considered useful or polite either, in most contexts, the general rule of thumb being that if one can't see some reply somewhere in a reasonable sized window at all times

Re: [Pan-users] Top-posting (was Re: compile error on Natty Ubuntu)

2011-06-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/14/2011 09:12 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/14/2011 06:35 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: There's only 3 bottom-posting gmail users and 8 octillion gmail users. So, "long" ago, I gave up the fight and now top-post whenever I see a gmail address. Even with gmail, it's possibl

[Pan-users] Top-posting (was Re: compile error on Natty Ubuntu)

2011-06-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/14/2011 09:51 AM, Duncan wrote: Ron Johnson posted on Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:56:40 -0500 as excerpted: What gcc version are you using in Natty? On 06/14/2011 08:02 AM, Bob Kowalski wrote: I'm getting the following error when I try to compile Pan .135: [snip] Grrr! Upside down po

Re: [Pan-users] compile error on Natty Ubuntu

2011-06-14 Thread Ron Johnson
What gcc version are you using in Natty? On 06/14/2011 08:02 AM, Bob Kowalski wrote: I'm getting the following error when I try to compile Pan .135: CXX adaptable-set-test.o adaptable-set-test.cc: In function ‘int main()’: adaptable-set-test.cc:322:1: internal compiler error: Segmentation fa

Re: [Pan-users] PAR File Support ??

2011-06-06 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/06/2011 10:29 AM, Thomas Fricke wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 22:34 +, Lacrocivious Acrophosist wrote: I am unconvinced that par2 handling should ever be part of Pan internally. Make a tool, make it do a thing and do it well. Make the Swiss Army Knife the exception, not the rule ;-)

Re: [Pan-users] PAR File Support ??

2011-06-02 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/02/2011 05:39 PM, Keith Richie wrote: [snip] I use this simple shell script, and associate par2 files with it. Within ${GUI_FILE_MANAGER}? #!/bin/sh xterm -hold -e par2repair "$1" You would need par2cmdline -- "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the li

Re: [Pan-users] PAR File Support ??

2011-06-01 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/01/2011 05:34 PM, Lacrocivious Acrophosist wrote: Michael, W1RC writes: I am a new PAN user but not unfamiliar with Usenet and downloading binaries. I think Pan is an outstanding app and am looking forward to totally migrating from my present news reader in the near future. I would ve

Re: [Pan-users] PAR File Support ??

2011-06-01 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/01/2011 01:06 PM, Michael, W1RC wrote: I am a new PAN user but not unfamiliar with Usenet and downloading binaries. I think Pan is an outstanding app and am looking forward to totally migrating from my present news reader in the near future. I would very much appreciate knowing if Pan has

Re: [Pan-users] New Feature - Uploading binaries

2011-05-31 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/31/2011 08:08 AM, Heinrich Mueller wrote: [snip] Do you guys have any feature requests for me to get my brainchild going ? We always appreciate new features. Now, if you want to earn my eternal non-marital devotion: store in-progress header downloads on disk instead on in-memory, so th

Re: [Pan-users] Pot, Kettle: Black (was Re: Patch for NZB Creation via GUI)

2011-05-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/04/2011 12:52 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: [snip] I'll have you both know that the first computer I ever used was an IBM 1620 and used either punched cards or a typewriter. Now, both of you get off of *MY* lawn before I call Security on you. It's not what your first computer was; it's whether yo

Re: [Pan-users] Pot, Kettle: Black (was Re: Patch for NZB Creation via GUI)

2011-05-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/04/2011 11:53 AM, Brad Rogers wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:37:30 -0500 Ron Johnson wrote: Hello Ron, Certainly. I'm used to old-school lists that reply on Reply-To-List. Claws Mail allows me to override such things. This can be advantageous at times. Claws leav

Re: [Pan-users] Pot, Kettle: Black (was Re: Patch for NZB Creation via GUI)

2011-05-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/04/2011 10:57 AM, Brad Rogers wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 10:32:06 -0500 Ron Johnson wrote: Hello Ron, I'd have sworn that I sent this directly to Travis. The list server software sets a Reply-To. Probably the cause of the confusion. Certainly. I'm used to old-school

Re: [Pan-users] Pot, Kettle: Black (was Re: Patch for NZB Creation via GUI)

2011-05-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/03/2011 12:14 PM, Travis wrote: -Original Message- From: Ron Johnson Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:21 AM To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: [Pan-users] Pot, Kettle: Black (was Re: Patch for NZB Creation via GUI) On 05/03/2011 09:03 AM, Travis wrote: [snip] Please turn of the HTML

[Pan-users] Pot, Kettle: Black (was Re: Patch for NZB Creation via GUI)

2011-05-03 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/03/2011 09:03 AM, Travis wrote: [snip] Please turn of the HTML messages. A gmail user who sends mail in html format and uses an MUA that doesn't know how to quote replies should: a) keep his mouth shut and, b) go into the corner and flagellate himself with a wet noodle until... he real

Re: [Pan-users] Problems downloading binaries

2011-04-11 Thread Ron Johnson
On 04/11/2011 02:14 AM, Orlok Nosferatu wrote: Hi, I run Pan on Ubuntu (10.04.2 Lucid) and saw that as of March 11th I can not download binaries anymore. The number of posts I download dropped markedly. It seems I can only download replies to posts. It is not a problem of my newsprovider, as

Re: [Pan-users] Re: Bug in Headers pane?

2011-04-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On 04/04/2011 06:47 PM, Duncan wrote: Ron Johnson posted on Mon, 04 Apr 2011 17:19:56 -0500 as excerpted: [snip] But you seem to be seeing it happen with just the one pan instance running, just leaving a group with a download-and-save job running, and coming back to it? The download-and

Re: [Pan-users] Re: Bug in Headers pane?

2011-04-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On 04/04/2011 07:02 PM, walt wrote: On 04/04/2011 03:19 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/04/2011 04:38 PM, walt wrote: I've long suspected that the problem occurs when using multiple servers, but that's just my gut feeling. Wish I could prove it. Nope. Just one. Happened when I on

Re: [Pan-users] Re: Bug in Headers pane?

2011-04-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On 04/04/2011 04:38 PM, walt wrote: On 04/03/2011 11:38 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: When I go into a group, highlight some articles and then start downloading them, the unread articles' font "converts" from Bold to Regular style as each article is downloaded. However, if I go to a

[Pan-users] Bug in Headers pane?

2011-04-03 Thread Ron Johnson
When I go into a group, highlight some articles and then start downloading them, the unread articles' font "converts" from Bold to Regular style as each article is downloaded. However, if I go to a different group and then come back (or exit Pan and restart) then the articles' font no longer "

[Pan-users] Scoring a random set of articles?

2011-03-31 Thread Ron Johnson
Hi, Is there any way to manually set the score of articles that I've highlighted? -- "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 __

[Pan-users] pan --no-gui headers: works quite well even for newly-subscribed groups

2011-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
for g in foo bar snaggle frob; do \ time pan --no-gui headers:comp.os.${g} \ date echo -e '\n\n\n\n' \ done -- "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." Samuel Adams, essa

So, what's a new user to do with huge groups? (was Re: [Pan-users] Re: pan uses large amounts of memory)

2011-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/27/2011 12:42 PM, Duncan wrote: Leo List posted on Thu, 27 Jan 2011 23:17:52 +1100 as excerpted: I'm running 64bit Ubuntu and when I start pan, the memory usage increases regularly until it hits up to 98% if physical memory and about 50% of swap; all up about 6GB. Is there a way of reduci

Re: [Pan-users] Re: Feature request: CLI operation

2011-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On 03/29/2011 03:57 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/29/2011 03:35 AM, Paul Crawford wrote: [snip] Do you have a 64-bit CPU machine (e.g. I do, but run 32-bit Linux for greater compatibility and due to only have 2GB RAM)? If so you could boot off a 64-bit live CD, set enough swap space and just

Re: [Pan-users] Re: Feature request: CLI operation

2011-03-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On 03/29/2011 04:23 AM, Duncan wrote: [snip] Whether it's worth the additional overhead I don't know... If you've>16G of physical memory, it likely is, and almost certainly is with>32G physical memory, due to the reduction in low-memory pressure, but under 16G... :) No... 8GB is enough for

Re: [Pan-users] Re: Feature request: CLI operation

2011-03-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On 03/29/2011 03:35 AM, Paul Crawford wrote: [snip] Do you have a 64-bit CPU machine (e.g. I do, but run 32-bit Linux for greater compatibility and due to only have 2GB RAM)? If so you could boot off a 64-bit live CD, set enough swap space and just let it crunch away. That just might work!

Re: [Pan-users] Re: Feature request: CLI operation

2011-03-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On 03/29/2011 02:12 AM, Paul Crawford wrote: On 29/03/11 07:33, Ron Johnson wrote: 5 hours... $ date && pan --no-gui headers:alt.binaries.dvd ; date Mon Mar 28 20:25:33 CDT 2011 terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' what(): std::bad_alloc Aborted T

Re: [Pan-users] Re: Feature request: CLI operation

2011-03-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 03/28/2011 08:15 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/28/2011 06:49 PM, Duncan wrote: Ron Johnson posted on Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:49:53 -0500 as excerpted: The GUI interface is great, but not so optimized for downloading the headers of big groups. So, I request a separate program pan-get-headers

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