Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-23 Thread David Kelly
On Mar 23, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 03/23/2012 04:47 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> I have written to companies many times, and not once have they >> photocopied my letter and stapled it to the back of their answer (the >> equivalent of top-posting). And I would certainly never expe

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/23/2012 04:47 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I have written to companies many times, and not once have they photocopied my letter and stapled it to the back of their answer (the equivalent of top-posting). And I would certainly never expect to receive a copy of the *entire* file attached to the

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/23/2012 04:47 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Speak for yourself. My business doesn't file in reverse chronological order, nor have any of the companies I have worked for. You mean that when you file something you always put it at the back of the folder? You don't put the newest things in

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/23/2012 04:42 AM, Rui Maciel wrote: I don't find it reasonable at all. Neither do I, but then, neither of us works in that type of environment. Like it or not, millions of people do and are accustomed to seeing things that way and for them, top posting is normal. No, I don't use it w

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-23 Thread David Kelly
On Mar 23, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Rui Maciel wrote: >> does not change the fact that the >> *vast* majority of people (especially in offices) use Outlook, and >> top-post and get by just fine. > > Outlook does not enforce top-posting. The cursor in the text edit box may be > placed by default at t

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-23 Thread Rui Maciel
On 03/23/2012 01:29 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: All this self-righteous moralizing This problem has absolutely nothing to do with self-righteousness or morals. It's simply and clearly an issue regarding effective and efficient ways to handle written communication, nothing more, nothing less. L

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On 03/23/2012 06:49 AM, Rui Maciel wrote: On 03/22/2012 09:00 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: So true. While Tbird puts my cursor at the bottom of the window, more and more I must manually move the cursor to the top because non-geeks have been trained by Outlook and webmail to type at the top. Do you

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-23 Thread David Kelly
On Mar 23, 2012, at 6:47 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > The fact is that most of the time people don't even notice that, after the > first paragraph or so of fresh text, is an ever-growing five or ten or twenty > pages of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of every damn email > in th

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-23 Thread Rui Maciel
On 03/22/2012 09:00 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: So true. While Tbird puts my cursor at the bottom of the window, more and more I must manually move the cursor to the top because non-geeks have been trained by Outlook and webmail to type at the top. Do you also believe you must intentionally write

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-23 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/22/2012 08:06 PM, thufir wrote: I'm sure it was just someone in a hurry, but it sure*seems* like a deliberate choice to re-define a standard. Actually, it's quite reasonable from the proper POV. In business, everything is filed in reverse chronological order Speak

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-23 Thread Rui Maciel
On 03/23/2012 06:24 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: Actually, it's quite reasonable from the proper POV. In business, everything is filed in reverse chronological order and people become accustomed to seeing things that way. Very large numbers of people use Outlook every day for business correspondence, a

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-23 Thread Rhialto
On Thu 22 Mar 2012 at 23:24:00 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > Actually, it's quite reasonable from the proper POV. In business, > everything is filed in reverse chronological order and people become > accustomed to seeing things that way. Very large numbers of people Except that top-posting isn't real