Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/04/2011 09:50 PM, Travis wrote: I'll look at the add on list but would appreciate you sending me the info when you have a chance. Take a look at ImportExport Tools; I think it's the right one. ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org htt

Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Travis
-Original Message- From: Joe Zeff Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 9:36 PM To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA On 07/04/2011 08:52 PM, Alan Meyer wrote: You may not find an email client that will import directly from WLM. However WLM can "export" data.

Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Travis
-Original Message- From: Alan Meyer Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 8:52 PM To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA Travis wrote: ... Windows Live Mail does not quote properly so I installed Thunderbird. Thunderbird will not import messages, account sett

Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/04/2011 08:52 PM, Alan Meyer wrote: You may not find an email client that will import directly from WLM. However WLM can "export" data. If you play with it you'll probably find that you can export most of your data into a standard format, like tab or comma separated values, that Thunderbi

Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Alan Meyer
Travis wrote: ... > Windows Live Mail does not quote properly so I installed > Thunderbird. Thunderbird will not import messages, account > settings or anything else. I uninstalled it. > > Suggestions for an email client that will import from WLM? You may not find an email client that will impo

Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Travis
-Original Message- From: Steven D'Aprano Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 3:33 AM To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA Travis, please fix your quoting. That is, use Reply, not Forward, when replying to posts. Windows Live Mail does not quote properly so

Re: [Pan-users] GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Duncan
Duncan posted on Tue, 05 Jul 2011 02:51:06 + as excerpted: > Lacrocivious Acrophosist posted on Tue, 05 Jul 2011 01:36:41 + as > excerpted: > >> That said, it makes sense to me to have the number of connections >> accessible to the gui client without resorting to manual edits. If any >> o

Re: [Pan-users] GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Duncan
Lacrocivious Acrophosist posted on Tue, 05 Jul 2011 01:36:41 + as excerpted: > That said, it makes sense to me to have the number of connections > accessible to the gui client without resorting to manual edits. If any > of us notice that 20 connections cause Pan to no long 'play nice' with > o

Re: [Pan-users] GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Lacrocivious Acrophosist
Joe Zeff writes: > > I've just received a response to my email about updating the GNKSA. In > part, it says: > > Actually, I consider the GNKSA a historic document, to be read in the > context of its own time, rather than a useful guideline for today's > practice. It played its part, but t

Re: [Pan-users] VDQ Re: Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/04/2011 05:43 PM, Duncan wrote: Probably not, but did you check the gnksa.org page's admin ref just in case, or is that the guy you contacted previously? I got the addresses for the two lists from gnksa.org. I'll probably ask my contact there later; don't want to be too much of a pest.

Re: [Pan-users] VDQ Re: Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Duncan
Duncan posted on Tue, 05 Jul 2011 00:43:18 + as excerpted: > the gnksa.org page's admin Argh, that was intended to be the /list/ admin (not the web-site's admin, as what I actually wrote implied). -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a mast

Re: [Pan-users] VDQ Re: Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Duncan
Joe Zeff posted on Mon, 04 Jul 2011 17:25:45 -0700 as excerpted: > On 07/04/2011 04:44 PM, Duncan wrote: >> Joe, as you've kindly volunteered to be a liaison, perhaps you could >> look into that and see if those lists are still active at al > > I doubt that either's still active; my subscribe mes

Re: [Pan-users] VDQ Re: Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/04/2011 04:44 PM, Duncan wrote: Joe, as you've kindly volunteered to be a liaison, perhaps you could look into that and see if those lists are still active at al I doubt that either's still active; my subscribe message bounced, with a message that the domain fu-berlin.de was not found.

Re: [Pan-users] VDQ Re: Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/04/2011 04:44 PM, Duncan wrote: Joe, as you've kindly volunteered to be a liaison, perhaps you could look into that and see if those lists are still active at all (it would have been nice if I could have simply checked gmane, but...), with the idea of posting a question to see if anyone sti

Re: [Pan-users] VDQ Re: Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Duncan
Joe Zeff posted on Mon, 04 Jul 2011 14:26:27 -0700 as excerpted: > On 07/04/2011 02:06 PM, Beartooth wrote: >> And how will the GNKSA, ossified or not, and New Pan's take on the >> GNKSA, affect things like the prestige of Gmane? > > I gather that the maintainer would be willing to update the GNK

Re: [Pan-users] GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread walt
On 07/04/2011 01:43 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > I've just received a response to my email about updating the GNKSA. Um, crap, I just sent an email to Jeroen at gnksa.org about exactly the same subject. I'll bet he's already cursing the pan email list for causing him headaches. ___

Re: [Pan-users] GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread David Kelly
On Jul 4, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Duncan wrote: > Joe Zeff posted on Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:43:13 -0700 as excerpted: > >> I've just received a response to my email about updating the GNKSA. In >> part, it says: > > I'll have to think about the response some and digest it, before updating > my opinion

Re: [Pan-users] VDQ Re: Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/04/2011 02:06 PM, Beartooth wrote: And how will the GNKSA, ossified or not, and New Pan's take on the GNKSA, affect things like the prestige of Gmane? I gather that the maintainer would be willing to update the GNKSA if we were to come up with reasonable and well-reasoned suggestions.

Re: [Pan-users] GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/04/2011 01:52 PM, Duncan wrote: Joe Zeff posted on Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:43:13 -0700 as excerpted: I've just received a response to my email about updating the GNKSA. In part, it says: I'll have to think about the response some and digest it, before updating my opinion accordingly, but I

[Pan-users] VDQ Re: Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Beartooth
On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 23:08:26 +, Duncan wrote: [] > I suspected that might be the preference as people who strongly > disagreed would have likely gone elsewhere already, the "asking the > choir effect", I suppose it could be called, but that doesn't mean the > debate doesn't need to

Re: [Pan-users] GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Duncan
Joe Zeff posted on Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:43:13 -0700 as excerpted: > I've just received a response to my email about updating the GNKSA. In > part, it says: I'll have to think about the response some and digest it, before updating my opinion accordingly, but I'm glad you made this a new thread. I

Re: [Pan-users] To explain why I'm unwilling to update my glib/gtk+/etc libs ATM…

2011-07-04 Thread Duncan
SciFi posted on Mon, 04 Jul 2011 20:16:07 + as excerpted: > (4) I have not seen any worthwhile updates to the Apple-provided GCC > family at all, during most of this year. Of course the *ix world has > moved on far-past gcc-4.2.1, yet that's the "newest" "official" gcc > we've got and will c

[Pan-users] GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Joe Zeff
I've just received a response to my email about updating the GNKSA. In part, it says: Actually, I consider the GNKSA a historic document, to be read in the context of its own time, rather than a useful guideline for today's practice. It played its part, but to me its relevance is over. Usen

Re: [Pan-users] In the new file-upload logic, we need to change how Pan apparently slices the binary data…

2011-07-04 Thread Duncan
SciFi posted on Mon, 04 Jul 2011 19:12:07 + as excerpted: > And I would like to not need to type so much to explain myself. ;D =:^) I can usually reduce mine by a decent amount by typing it, then going back and revising what I typed, but that's more work than just sending the first draft,

[Pan-users] To explain why I'm unwilling to update my glib/gtk+/etc libs ATM…

2011-07-04 Thread SciFi
Hi, I need to explain why I am unwilling to update my glib/gtk+ critters for a while yet anyway. Bear with me, please. In the past I've been a Mac-a-holic. But not anymore. I have been talking to a few people about the mess that Apple is causing everyone WRT the open-source projects. Apple

Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Duncan
Rob posted on Mon, 04 Jul 2011 14:36:23 -0400 as excerpted: > On Monday 04 July 2011 11:42, Alan Meyer wrote: >> Of course in theory, theory and practice are the same. But in practice >> ... maybe I'm totally screwed up here. > > Practically speaking, I hit binsearch.info and found an Ubuntu ISO

Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Alan Meyer
Rob wrote: > On Monday 04 July 2011 11:42, Alan Meyer wrote: > > Of course in theory, theory and practice are the same. But in > > practice ... maybe I'm totally screwed up here. > > Practically speaking, I hit binsearch.info and found an Ubuntu ISO to test > with, currently the first result her

Re: [Pan-users] In the new file-upload logic, we need to change how Pan apparently slices the binary data…

2011-07-04 Thread SciFi
Hi, On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 06:24:47 +0200, Heinrich Mueller wrote: > On 07/03/11 19:22, SciFi wrote: >> >> The actual binary data needs to be split _before_ it is encoded >> (before uuencoded, before yEncoded, before MIME'd, etc.) >> or in the view of the end-user/downloader, _after_ decoding. > We

Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Rob
On Monday 04 July 2011 11:42, Alan Meyer wrote: > Of course in theory, theory and practice are the same. But in > practice ... maybe I'm totally screwed up here. Practically speaking, I hit binsearch.info and found an Ubuntu ISO to test with, currently the first result here: http://binsearch.in

Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Duncan
Alan Meyer posted on Mon, 04 Jul 2011 08:42:41 -0700 as excerpted: > Of course in theory, theory and practice are the same. But in practice > ... maybe I'm totally screwed up here. That's the kicker. But your maths, in contrast to my vague words, are useful. -- Duncan - List replies preferre

Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Travis
-Original Message- From: Steven D'Aprano Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 3:33 AM To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA Travis, please fix your quoting. That is, use Reply, not Forward, when replying to posts. I do use "Reply". It is just the nature

Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Alan Meyer
Steven D'Aprano wrote: ... > More connections are only valuable when the provider applies a > per-connection throttle which is less than your total > bandwidth. If your total bandwidth is (say) 100Mbps, which will > be a hard limit applied by your ISP, or possibly a physical > limit imposed by the

Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Travis, please fix your quoting. That is, use Reply, not Forward, when replying to posts. More follows below: Travis wrote: -Original Message- From: Alan Meyer [...] Does someone have data to suggest that there is a real advantage to having more than four connections? From the Giga