[Pan-users] Questions about the next release

2010-08-05 Thread Charles Kerr
As has already been documented, I don't use Pan much anymore and don't feel like I'm the best person to "steer" the project. But, that said -- However, I've finally gotten write access again to rebelbase.com (to be specific, my account always had it, but I'd lost my account info) and now update pa

Re: [Pan-users] Re: updated info

2010-08-05 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:33:22 pm Alan Meyer wrote: > Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > ... > > > > http://img341.imageshack.us/i/qsoladvertisementps2.jpg/ > > > > > > OK, I can see both sides of that one. As a guy, it's amusing, > > > but offensive as well, because I can empathize with women. > > > > Why

[Pan-users] clarifications (Re: changing your underscores; some old problems coming back (Re: updated info))

2010-08-05 Thread SciFi
Hi again, Thanks for the discussion on these items I've raised. I feel I need to clarify some things, if I may. On the word-wrap: We need Pan to stop mucking with the way the original texts were posted, when quoting those texts. Unless "someone" actively decides to muck with it. Period. ;) The

Re: [Pan-users] Re: updated info - O.T.

2010-08-05 Thread Alan Meyer
Steven, Our postings have crossed in the ether. I didn't see this before posting a reply to your last one, and of course you hadn't seen my reply. Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > Perhaps if more of us would transpose remarks like Stallman's, > > substituting our own favorite gender, religion, race,

Re: [Pan-users] Re: updated info

2010-08-05 Thread Alan Meyer
Steven D'Aprano wrote: ... > > http://img341.imageshack.us/i/qsoladvertisementps2.jpg/ > > > > OK, I can see both sides of that one. As a guy, it's amusing, but > > offensive as well, because I can empathize with women. > > Why on earth would it be *offensive*? It's empowering. It's > about a wo

Re: [Pan-users] Re: updated info - O.T.

2010-08-05 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 04:37:33 am Alan Meyer wrote: > I didn't expect that so many programmers would agree with > Stallman. I hope it's just that they were the ones most > motivated to write, and not that they're really in the majority. > > Perhaps if more of us would transpose remarks like Stallman

Re: [Pan-users] Re: Pan and rsync

2010-08-05 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/05/2010 04:49 PM, Duncan wrote: That could be it. And then again... As I started to read each group, Pan marked all of the old posts read, leaving me with nothing but the newest ones. Interesting. Last time, when I didn't check the newsrc file, it didn't do that, just expected me to

Re: [Pan-users] Re: Pan and rsync

2010-08-05 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/05/2010 04:49 PM, Duncan wrote: That could be it. Either I didn't copy the right file, or something, because it didn't work. Pan just downloaded every header in every group I'm subscribed to that's been posted since I last used this machine. Weird! With one server, all I have is ~/.

Re: [Pan-users] Re: Pan and rsync

2010-08-05 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/05/2010 04:49 PM, Duncan wrote: As to why... quoting from the manpage, "Rsync finds files that need to be transferred using a "quick check" algorithm (by default) that looks for files that have changed in size or in last-modified time." Was the size the same? The mod-time shouldn't hav

Re: [Pan-users] Re: updated info

2010-08-05 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 04:06:59 pm Duncan wrote: > This one's a well known classic from 2000. It's an ad for QSOL (a > Linux server company now out of business, for the best, many would > agree, after this, after the reaction they apologized and pulled the > ad, but ran it again (!!) in 2007) that ap

Re: [Pan-users] Re: changing your underscores; some old problems coming back (Re: updated info)

2010-08-05 Thread K. Haley
On 8/5/2010 5:12 PM, K. Haley wrote: > The word wrap button just toggles the text widgets word wrapping. Since > it doesn't know how to handle wrapping quoted text that needs to be done > before the text is added to it. I could set it so that the pre-wrapping > will only happen when word wrap is

Re: [Pan-users] Re: changing your underscores; some old problems coming back (Re: updated info)

2010-08-05 Thread K. Haley
On 8/4/2010 8:42 PM, Duncan wrote: > SciFi posted on Wed, 04 Aug 2010 18:59:52 + as excerpted: > >> Hi, >> >> Having the underscores being placed into the generated folder-name(s) >> [based on the posted Subject line(s)] was driving me crazy. > I'd suggest that be an option, perhaps in prefe

[Pan-users] Re: updated info - O.T.

2010-08-05 Thread Duncan
Alan Meyer posted on Thu, 05 Aug 2010 15:28:11 -0700 as excerpted: > It seems common in the U.S. information processing world to find men > working on the technology and women working on the content. > > The open source world tends to be very technology intensive, often with > those other roles t

[Pan-users] Re: updated info

2010-08-05 Thread Duncan
Petr Kovar posted on Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:48:05 +0200 as excerpted: >> Their share of >> the FLOSS community is lower as well, tho that may have to do as much >> with opportunity in a formerly closed society as it does with >> recognition/ monetary compensation priorities. > > Well, I live in one

Re: [Pan-users] Re: updated info - O.T.

2010-08-05 Thread Alan Meyer
Petr Kovar wrote: > Duncan, Thu, 5 Aug 2010 06:06:59 + (UTC): > ... > > One of the topics of discussion (and alarm, in some quarters, > > from both sides) in the FLOSS community (various talks at > > conferences, articles on LWN and the like) has been the fact > > that while women /do/ seem t

[Pan-users] Re: changing your underscores; some old problems coming back (Re: updated info)

2010-08-05 Thread Petr Kovar
Duncan, Thu, 5 Aug 2010 02:42:44 + (UTC): > SciFi posted on Wed, 04 Aug 2010 18:59:52 + as excerpted: (...) > > I can file bugreports, still, at gnome.org, if we need to. > > Are we going to continue doing that > > whatever the outcome of the possible > > coming "maintainership change"?

[Pan-users] Re: Pan and rsync

2010-08-05 Thread Duncan
Joe Zeff posted on Thu, 05 Aug 2010 14:02:39 -0400 as excerpted: > Right now, I'm at NASFIC, in Raleigh, NC. Last night, I used rsync to > update the copy of Pan on my laptop. I used rsync -av, but didn't see > newsrc in the list of files updated. Checking, the two copies didn't > match, so I c

[Pan-users] Re: updated info

2010-08-05 Thread Petr Kovar
Duncan, Thu, 5 Aug 2010 06:06:59 + (UTC): > walt posted on Wed, 04 Aug 2010 16:12:20 -0700 as excerpted: > > >> to > >> prevent the otherwise female assumption. Could/will that some day > >> happen to computer coding? I don't know. > > > > It's already happening. I tune in occasionally to

[Pan-users] Re: updated info - O.T.

2010-08-05 Thread Duncan
Alan Meyer posted on Thu, 05 Aug 2010 11:37:33 -0700 as excerpted: [quote from Stallman from my post] >> " >> [W]e also have the cult of the virgin of emacs. The virgin of emacs is >> any female who has not yet learned how to use emacs. And in the church >> of emacs we believe that taking her

Re: [Pan-users] Re: updated info - O.T.

2010-08-05 Thread Alan Meyer
Alan Meyer wrote: > ... > I read the exchange between David "Lefty" Schlesinger and Richard > Stallman, and a fair number of the comments. > ... I should have quoted Duncan's citation to this exchange. Here it is: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/EMACS_virgins_joke -- Alan Meyer amey...@y

Re: [Pan-users] Re: updated info - O.T.

2010-08-05 Thread Alan Meyer
Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: <... Many interesting comments elided ...> > One of the most recent (July, 2009 Gran Canaria Desktop > Summit), and it's a shame it's only now being addressed as he's > been making the references in public presentations for years, > is the Richard M Stallman r

[Pan-users] Pan and rsync

2010-08-05 Thread Joe Zeff
Right now, I'm at NASFIC, in Raleigh, NC. Last night, I used rsync to update the copy of Pan on my laptop. I used rsync -av, but didn't see newsrc in the list of files updated. Checking, the two copies didn't match, so I corrected it by ftp. Maybe this is the reason it didn't work right bef