Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan on Windows?

2010-03-08 Thread Alan Meyer
Leslie Newell wrote: ... Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > The period of the 1980s through to the 2020s (at least!) will > > be a future dark age to historians. So many of our historical > > records are *already* unreadable, after a mere decade or so. > > Paper, vellum and papyrus lasts for centuries

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan on Windows?

2010-03-08 Thread walt
On 03/08/2010 06:14 AM, Leslie Newell wrote: Now take my home computer running Kubuntu 9.10. A lot of the applications that come with it have annoying bugs or in several cases complete show stoppers... Is it kde 4.x? The kde devs have been vilified by many users as guilty of releasing alpha qu

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan on Windows?

2010-03-08 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/08/2010 03:57 PM, Leslie Newell wrote: IMHO the greatest threat to long term storage of data is failure to back it up. There's also the issue of equipment to read the media. Much of the Apollo data was recorded on mag tapes. I gather that the tapes still exist, but that there are very

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan on Windows?

2010-03-08 Thread Leslie Newell
What? If you're talking about the period between *purchasing* Windows (usually as part of a bundle with the computer) and when it goes into lock-down mode because you haven't registered, I think you're missing the point of "try before you buy" is that you get to try *before* you buy. How

Re: [Pan-users] Re: Scoring question

2010-03-08 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/08/2010 02:28 PM, Duncan wrote: But blocking by from/author name isn't a problem, since that's in the overview headers. Score on author, set contains, starts with, or matches regex, as appropriate, and delete the email address portion (between the angle brackets<>), setup the rest of the s

[Pan-users] Re: Scoring question

2010-03-08 Thread Duncan
Joe Zeff posted on Mon, 08 Mar 2010 10:00:47 -0800 as excerpted: > One of the groups I follow is intermittently infested by an > exceptionally obnoxious troll. He clearly knows he's not welcome, > because every time he shows up, he's posting from a different email > address to get around killfile

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan on Windows?

2010-03-08 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 04:26:12 am Leslie Newell wrote: > > This actually raises a good point about closed/licensed software: > > can you try it first? > > I won't buy if I can't try it first. Even Windows offers a trial > period. What? If you're talking about the period between *purchasing* Windows

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan on Windows?

2010-03-08 Thread Paul Crawford
IMHO, documentation is more important than open source when it comes to file formats. It doesn't matter if it is open source if all you have to go by are a few cryptic comments and poorly documented source code. I was not saying that source code = documentation! That is just a dumb, though com

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan on Windows?

2010-03-08 Thread Leslie Newell
The only truly open formats are the ones with open source implementations, otherwise you can't be sure if the documentation matches the implementation. IMHO, documentation is more important than open source when it comes to file formats. It doesn't matter if it is open source if all you ha

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan on Windows?

2010-03-08 Thread Paul Crawford
Leslie Newell wrote: Actually, to be fair to Microsoft their stuff is fairly bug free considering it is so bloated. They also have to be very sure about any Not when considers the security holes! That, I suspect, is largely down the the horrible interdependencies in the structure and legacy o

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan on Windows?

2010-03-08 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/08/2010 09:26 AM, Leslie Newell wrote: That is a possibility. Actually I can put up with KDE bombing once or twice a week. It is all of the other issues that drive me nuts. I am afraid I don't get on with Gnome. Why? Nice OSs don't go down. I use Fedora 11, a geeky, "unstable" OS, with

[Pan-users] Scoring question

2010-03-08 Thread Joe Zeff
One of the groups I follow is intermittently infested by an exceptionally obnoxious troll. He clearly knows he's not welcome, because every time he shows up, he's posting from a different email address to get around killfiles. However, he always uses the same name. Is there any way to force

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan on Windows?

2010-03-08 Thread Leslie Newell
As a closed source software vendor it is in my interest to keep my customers as happy as possible. My sales rely on my good reputation. That means I have to fix bugs quickly and add new features as they are Oh, if only Microsoft & Adobe were like you! Actually, to be fair to Microsoft their

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan on Windows?

2010-03-08 Thread Alan Meyer
Leslie Newell wrote: > I'm jumping into this one a bit late and I am undoubtedly going to get > flamed for this but I think there is a place for closed source and > licensing. ... On the one hand, I agree with Duncan that copy protection is an anti-feature from the point of view of the individua

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan on Windows?

2010-03-08 Thread Paul Crawford (at UoD)
car or give it away you would be breaking the law. Copy protection, while it is almost universally disliked, is simply a means of enforcing the license agreement. My system does not lock the program to a specific computer and it is for life. I do not charge for updates. IMHO charging between 60% a

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan on Windows?

2010-03-08 Thread Leslie Newell
I'm jumping into this one a bit late and I am undoubtedly going to get flamed for this but I think there is a place for closed source and licensing. I am a programmer and I make a living from the programs I sell. Most of my programs sell to a niche market, probably 70% of whom are hobbyists. I do

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan on Windows?

2010-03-08 Thread Paul Crawford
Duncan wrote: So what kind of /possible/ insanity would prompt a developer to add "anti- features", that is, additional code, complexity and potential for bugs, that has benefit for *NO* user, when every bit of added complexity is at Its called 'marketing' and the goal, as far as I can see, i