Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan on Windows?

2010-03-06 Thread Alan Meyer
Steven D'Aprano wrote: > The great Ken Thompson (co-inventor of Unix and inventor of B, the > precursor to C) published a paper "Reflections on Trusting Trust" which > describes how he subverted the C compiler to insert a backdoor to the > login program: YIKES! -- Alan Meyer amey...@yahoo.com

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan onWindows?

2010-03-06 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 06:09:55 am Alan Meyer wrote: > However there was one program I particularly remember that was > indisputably spyware. I bought a Memorex branded scanner at > Staples at a big discount. After I installed the driver, > ZoneAlarm told me that a program called BM.EXE was attempti

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan onWindows?

2010-03-06 Thread Rob
On Saturday 06 March 2010 02:23 pm, Joe Zeff wrote: > I used ZA back before I switched to Linux only, and I have nothing but > praise for it. The interesting thing is, not one of those programs > failed to run properly without Internet access. I actually really wish there was a ZoneAlarm, meaning

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan on Windows?

2010-03-06 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 05:48:26 am Alan Meyer wrote: > I have to agree with some of your points. On the issue of trust, > for example, I trust that the open source software that I run is > safe. However I have found that a number of closed source > programs I have installed on my Windows machines in

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan onWindows?

2010-03-06 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/06/2010 11:09 AM, Alan Meyer wrote: It reveals that a great many programs attempt to silently send messages out on the Internet and, in a few cases, act as servers for incoming messages. I used ZA back before I switched to Linux only, and I have nothing but praise for it. The interestin

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan onWindows?

2010-03-06 Thread Alan Meyer
Travis wrote: > From: "Alan Meyer" > > ... I have found that a number of closed source > > programs I have installed on my Windows machines included > > spyware. ... > > Why don't you name names? I have run the ZoneAlarm free firewall program on my Windows machines. It blocks outgoing traffic

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan onWindows?

2010-03-06 Thread Travis
-- From: "Alan Meyer" Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 10:48 AM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan onWindows? Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: There's no problem buying a program. In fact ... I see

Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan on Windows?

2010-03-06 Thread Alan Meyer
Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > There's no problem buying a program. In fact ... I see that this is a subject on which you have thought long and deeply. I have to agree with some of your points. On the issue of trust, for example, I trust that the open source software that I run is safe

[Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan on Windows?

2010-03-06 Thread Duncan
Alan Meyer posted on Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:51:34 -0800 as excerpted: > But having said that I have to say I'm not really opposed to commercial > software, any more than I'm opposed to commercial hardware, commercial > cars, commercial food, or commercial television. Hundreds of thousands > of peopl