Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

Hi all, I would like to pitch in here, I am sorry that I didn't have the time before... First, I want to disclose that recently Continuum made a research gift to the Jupyter project; we were just now writing up a blog post to acknowledge this, but in light of this discussion, I feel that I should

[Numpy-discussion] Steering Committee Size

Hi, Trying to figure out at least a bit from the discussions. While I am happy with the draft, I wonder if someone has some insights about some questions: 1. How large crowds have examples of working well with apache style voting? 2. How large do we expect numpy steering council to be (I have a

[Numpy-discussion] Tentative numpy tutorial

Bryan is this the tutorial to which you refer? http://docs.scipy.org/doc/scipy/reference/tutorial/index.html ___ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org https://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

Hi Fernando, I am happy that you decided to chime in here. This thread derailed in a bad way and I hope that your wise words will help to redress the situation. In fact, I would like to propose you having part of a future steering committee of NumPy. I know that you may never have been implied

[Numpy-discussion] ANN: SfePy 2015.3

I am pleased to announce release 2015.3 of SfePy. Description --- SfePy (simple finite elements in Python) is a software for solving systems of coupled partial differential equations by the finite element method or by the isogeometric analysis (preliminary support). It is distributed und

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

On Wed Sep 23 12:39:59 2015 GMT+0200, Francesc Alted wrote: > Hi Fernando, > > I am happy that you decided to chime in here. This thread derailed in a > bad way and I hope that your wise words will help to redress the situation. > > In fact, I would like to propose you having part of a future st

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Sebastian Berg wrote: > Is it ok if I get a bit angry soon ;)? Don't worry, Sebastian :) I appreciate Francesc's kind words, but I have no intention of imposing my presence anywhere, it's not like I'm looking for extra work at this point. The process of establi

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

> But discussing who is great community leader, etc. is frankly not obvious to > me related to numpy governance. Thank you Sebastian. Could we please try to get back to the governance issues, without naming names? There are some specific questions on the table that need to get hashed out. Nump

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Tentative numpy tutorial

Hi, On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:25 AM, Dan Patterson wrote: > Bryan is this the tutorial to which you refer? > http://docs.scipy.org/doc/scipy/reference/tutorial/index.html > ___ I think it is the http://wiki.scipy.org/Tentative_NumPy_Tutorial Cheers,

[Numpy-discussion] ANN: numtraits v0.2

Hi everyone, We have released a small experimental package called numtraits that builds on top of the traitlets package and provides a NumericalTrait class that can be used to validate properties such as: * number of dimension (for arrays) * shape (for arrays) * domain (e.g. positive, negative, r

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chris Barker - NOAA Federal < chris.bar...@noaa.gov> wrote: > > But discussing who is great community leader, etc. is frankly not > obvious to me related to numpy governance. > > Thank you Sebastian. > > Could we please try to get back to the governance issues, wit

[Numpy-discussion] interpretation of the draft governance document (was Re: Governance model request)

Hi Travis, On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 3:08 AM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 4:33 AM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 1:24 AM, Travis Oliphant >> wrote: >>> >>> I actually do agree with your view of the steering council as being >>> usually not really be

Re: [Numpy-discussion] interpretation of the draft governance document (was Re: Governance model request)

Hi Nathaniel, Thanks for the clarifications. Is the governance document committed to the repository? I keep looking for it and have a hard time finding it --- I think I read it last in an email. In this way, I could make Pull Requests to the governance document if there are concrete suggestio

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Fernando Perez wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to pitch in here, I am sorry that I didn't have the time > before... > > First, I want to disclose that recently Continuum made a research gift to > the Jupyter project; we were just now writing up a blog post to ac

[Numpy-discussion] composition of the steering council (was Re: Governance model request)

[splitting this out from the thread-o-doom] On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Chris Barker - NOAA Federal wrote: [snip] > So here is what I think is on the table: > > We have the steering council. Which leaves two questions: > > -How big should it be? > -Who will be on the original, "seed" council

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

Hi, On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 1:02 AM, Fernando Perez wrote: [snip] > 1. I hope the discussion can move past the suspicion and innuendo about > Continuum and Travis I'm glad the discussion has become a little more calm now, but I find it difficult not to be annoyed by this statement above. I se

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Matthew Brett wrote: > I see a severe reaction to perceived 'suspicion and innuendo', but I > see no 'suspicion and innuendo'. Unless you mean that any suggestion > of potential conflict of interest is suspicion and innuendo. > No, as I said, COIs are absolutel

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > I accept that criticism and apologize for doing that. My *human* side > was coming out, and I was not being fair. In my head, though I was > also trying to illustrate how some seemed to be doing the same thing for > Continuum or ot

Re: [Numpy-discussion] composition of the steering council (was Re: Governance model request)

If I were to be included in the steering council I suspect my main contribution would be to occasionally remind everyone that we are all committed to the success of the open scientific stack. Tom On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:40 PM Nathaniel Smith wrote: > [splitting this out from the thread-o-doom

[Numpy-discussion] "Become an Open Source Contributor" workshop

Apologies for the cross-posting. The Data Science Student Society of the University of California San Diego, or DS3 @ UCSD as they like to call themselves, will be holding biweekly Python themed workshops starting this fall. On the week of October 19th, they will be having yours truly doing a "Be

Re: [Numpy-discussion] composition of the steering council (was Re: Governance model request)

> > Regarding the seed council, I just tried to pick an objective > criterion and an arbitrary date that seemed generally in keeping with > idea of "should be active in the last 1-to-2-years-ish". Fiddling with > the exact date in particular makes very little difference -- between > pushing it back

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

On 2015-09-23 13:36:35, Fernando Perez wrote: > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Matthew Brett > wrote: > >> I see a severe reaction to perceived 'suspicion and innuendo', but I >> see no 'suspicion and innuendo'. Unless you mean that any suggestion >> of potential conflict of interest is suspi

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

Hi, On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Matthew Brett > wrote: >> >> I see a severe reaction to perceived 'suspicion and innuendo', but I >> see no 'suspicion and innuendo'. Unless you mean that any suggestion >> of potential conflict of in

Re: [Numpy-discussion] composition of the steering council (was Re: Governance model request)

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > > However, that had been contentious enough that it would probably be a > > good idea to hash out some guidelines about the council membership. > > We actually do have some of those already -- dunno if they're perfect, > but they exist :-

Re: [Numpy-discussion] composition of the steering council (was Re: Governance model request)

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > As the original author of NumPy, I would like to be on the seed council as > long as it is larger than 7 people.That is my proposal. > Or the seed council could invite Travis to join as its first order of business :-) Actually, mayb

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Steering Committee Size

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:25 AM, Sebastian Berg wrote: > Hi, > > Trying to figure out at least a bit from the discussions. While I am > happy with the draft, I wonder if someone has some insights about some > questions: > > 1. How large crowds have examples of working well with apache style voti

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Stefan van der Walt wrote: > > b) a suggestion that we discuss it further personally, taking advantage > of > > the fact that we happen to be physically close. > > Sure, I'm happy to discuss the personal side of this offline. > Hey! I want to have a beer with you

Re: [Numpy-discussion] interpretation of the draft governance document (was Re: Governance model request)

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > Hi Nathaniel, > > Thanks for the clarifications. Is the governance document committed to > the repository? I keep looking for it and have a hard time finding it --- > I think I read it last in an email. > Indeed, sorry -- getting it

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Stefan van der Walt wrote: > Perhaps some kind of group bonding activity, such as working on a shared > project, would help? ;) > Indeed, there's a bunch of fresh 2x4s, screws and bolts with your name on them ;) Cheers, f -- Fernando Perez (@fperez_org; http:/

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Matthew Brett wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Fernando Perez > wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Matthew Brett > > > wrote: > >> > >> I see a severe reaction to perceived 'suspicion and innuendo', but I > >> see no 'suspicion and inn

Re: [Numpy-discussion] "Become an Open Source Contributor" workshop

If you are going to do work at a terminal, I'd suggest using a library like doitlive (http://doitlive.readthedocs.org/en/latest/) so you can't make mistakes while still making it look like you are actually typing everything at a terminal. You will also be able to share your exact terminal sessions

Re: [Numpy-discussion] "Become an Open Source Contributor" workshop

Hi Jaime On 2015-09-23 14:06:08, Jaime Fernández del Río wrote: >3. If you have organized anything similar in the past, and have material >that I could use to, ahem, draw inspiration from, or recommendations to >make, or whatever, I'd love to hear from you. Here's the new developer w

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Matthew Brett wrote: > Did you see any remark made by me or Stefan or anyone else that could > reasonably be described as bizarre, surprising or disheartening? > As I said already, I wasn't referring to you personally, but to the tone of the thread. It was the t

Re: [Numpy-discussion] interpretation of the draft governance document (was Re: Governance model request)

> > > Here is a list of the current Contributors to the main NumPy repository: > > [ > https://github.com/numpy/numpy/graphs/contributors](https://github.com/numpy/numpy/graphs/contributors) > > One of the problems with this list is that my contributions to the project are extremely under-represent

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

> > > One last time, it was *not* a personal reference to you: the only reason I > mentioned your names was because of the Berkeley clarification regarding > BIDS that I asked of Travis, that's all. If that comment hadn't been made, > I would not have made any mention whatsoever of anyone in part

Re: [Numpy-discussion] "Become an Open Source Contributor" workshop

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Nathan Goldbaum wrote: > If you are going to do work at a terminal, I'd suggest using a library > like doitlive (http://doitlive.readthedocs.org/en/latest/) so you can't > make mistakes while still making it look like you are actually typing > everything at a term

Re: [Numpy-discussion] interpretation of the draft governance document (was Re: Governance model request)

Travis -- have you included all your email addresses in your GitHub profile? When I type git shortlog -ne, I see 2063 commits from your Continuum address that seem to be missing from the contributors page on github. Generally speaking, the git logs tend to be more reliable for these counts. On

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Matthew Brett > wrote: >> >> Did you see any remark made by me or Stefan or anyone else that could >> reasonably be described as bizarre, surprising or disheartening? > > > As I said already, I wasn't refe

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > This was my fault for not being more careful in my words. I felt > multiple things when I wrote my emails that led to incorrectly chosen words > --- but mostly I was feeling unappreciated, attacked, and accused. I'm > sure now that was

Re: [Numpy-discussion] composition of the steering council (was Re: Governance model request)

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > > >> Regarding the seed council, I just tried to pick an objective >> criterion and an arbitrary date that seemed generally in keeping with >> idea of "should be active in the last 1-to-2-years-ish". Fiddling with >> the exact date in part

Re: [Numpy-discussion] composition of the steering council (was Re: Governance model request)

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Travis Oliphant > wrote: > > >> As the original author of NumPy, I would like to be on the seed council >> as long as it is larger than 7 people.That is my proposal. >> > > Or the seed council could invit

Re: [Numpy-discussion] "Become an Open Source Contributor" workshop

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Jaime Fernández del Río < jaime.f...@gmail.com> wrote: > Apologies for the cross-posting. > > The Data Science Student Society of the University of California San > Diego, or DS3 @ UCSD as they like to call themselves, will be holding > biweekly Python themed works

Re: [Numpy-discussion] composition of the steering council (was Re: Governance model request)

For what it is worth, I'm +1 on including any of the "founding fathers" (and uncles!) that wish to be included in the committee, or council, or however we ended up calling it. I'm also OK with singling out Travis as creator of NumPy in the wording of the document. Especially since the prerogative

Re: [Numpy-discussion] composition of the steering council (was Re: Governance model request)

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Jaime Fernández del Río < jaime.f...@gmail.com> wrote: > For what it is worth, I'm +1 on including any of the "founding fathers" > (and uncles!) that wish to be included in the committee, or council, or > however we ended up calling it. I'm also OK with singling o

Re: [Numpy-discussion] ANN: numtraits v0.2

Hi Thomas On 2015-09-23 09:39:00, Thomas Robitaille wrote: > We have released a small experimental package called numtraits that > builds on top of the traitlets package and provides a NumericalTrait > class that can be used to validate properties such as: This looks great! At the moment, a pip

Re: [Numpy-discussion] ANN: numtraits v0.2

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Stefan van der Walt wrote: > Hi Thomas > > On 2015-09-23 09:39:00, Thomas Robitaille wrote: >> We have released a small experimental package called numtraits that >> builds on top of the traitlets package and provides a NumericalTrait >> class that can be used to

[Numpy-discussion] Plan for 1.9.4 release

Hi, I'm afraid our very helpful testers have found a problem with f2py and Numpy 1.9.3 (and earlier): https://github.com/numpy/numpy/issues/6348 I think we need a numpy 1.9.4 soon therefore. I started a branch / PR here : https://github.com/numpy/numpy/pull/6350 Any other fixes? Carl - do yo

Re: [Numpy-discussion] ANN: numtraits v0.2

On 2015-09-23 17:16:14, Nathaniel Smith wrote: >> This looks great! At the moment, a pip install tries to install a >> different version of NumPy, even though I already have the development >> version on my tree. > > FYI the alternative solution is to fix your local numpy install to > give pip an

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Plan for 1.9.4 release

Chance this will be merged into 1.10? I know there's an rc floating out there for 1.10, and this sounds like an actual bug... Would be great to have a solid 1.10 for the 3.5 crowd :) On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Matthew Brett wrote: > Hi, > > I'm afraid our very helpful testers have found a

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Plan for 1.9.4 release

Hi, On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: > Chance this will be merged into 1.10? I know there's an rc floating out > there for 1.10, and this sounds like an actual bug... Would be great to > have a solid 1.10 for the 3.5 crowd :) 1.10 already contains the f2py fixes, luckily..

Re: [Numpy-discussion] composition of the steering council (was Re: Governance model request)

Thanks Chuck, I have been paying some attention, actually --- just not speaking up until there is a major difference of opinion (like the governance document...). I guess I don't feel like I've completely lost track of "how things work" --- while there are some new wonderful faces and contributo

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Plan for 1.9.4 release

Ah, great, glad to hear that. Thx! On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Matthew Brett wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Fernando Perez > wrote: > > Chance this will be merged into 1.10? I know there's an rc floating out > > there for 1.10, and this sounds like an actual bug... Woul

Re: [Numpy-discussion] composition of the steering council (was Re: Governance model request)

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Chris Barker > wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Travis Oliphant >> wrote: >> >> >>> As the original author of NumPy, I would like to be on the seed council >>> as long as it is larger tha

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Tentative NumPy Tutorial inaccessible

On 2015-09-22 23:53:19, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Andriy Yurchuk wrote: >> Hi! >> >> The Tentative NumPy Tutorial is no longer accessible by the URL >> http://wiki.scipy.org/Tentative_NumPy_Tutorial, it returns a 403. The link >> to this page is still on NumPy hom

Re: [Numpy-discussion] ANN: numtraits v0.2

Hi Thomas, This is great news! FYI, the traitlets module has been undergoing significant refactoring lately, improving the API to favor a broader usage in the community. One reason for this is that several projects outside of the Jupyter organization are considering adopting traitlets. You can f

[Numpy-discussion] Fwd: [Matplotlib-devel] Fwd: [NumFOCUS Projects] grant opportunity

-- Forwarded message -- From: Thomas Caswell Date: Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 8:51 PM Subject: [Matplotlib-devel] Fwd: [NumFOCUS Projects] grant opportunity To: matplotlib development list If anyone has some downtime and would like to be paid to hack on open source. Submissions are d

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Governance model request

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: > > Glad to see the other thread proceeding further, let's let this one die as > peacefully as it can... > > This Monty Python sketch seems relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs (hope everyone's in good health and regains be

[Numpy-discussion] Python needs goto

At last, goto for python ! Usage: from goto import with_goto @with_goto def range(start, stop): i = start result = [] label .begin if i == stop: goto .end result.append(i) i += 1 goto .begin label .end return r