Re: [Numpy-discussion] Addition of a dict object to all NumPy objects

2008-08-15 Thread Robert Kern
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 19:30, Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please also note that CPython uses a freelist of unused dict instances. > The default size of the dict free list is 80 elements. The allocation > and deallocation of dicts is cheap if you can stay below the threshold. Tha

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Addition of a dict object to all NumPy objects

2008-08-15 Thread Christian Heimes
Robert Kern wrote: > Yes, we know that. The concern I was addressing was the time overhead > for creating the new dict object every time an ndarray gets > instantiated. Most of these dict objects would be unused, so we would > be wasting a substantial amount of time. If you push off the creation >

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Addition of a dict object to all NumPy objects

2008-08-15 Thread Robert Kern
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 17:31, Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert Kern wrote: >> I think you could make the dictionary created lazily on the first getattr(). > > In order to make it work you have to reserve space for a PyObject* > pointer for the instance dict somewhere in your ty

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Addition of a dict object to all NumPy objects

2008-08-15 Thread Christian Heimes
Robert Kern wrote: > I think you could make the dictionary created lazily on the first getattr(). In order to make it work you have to reserve space for a PyObject* pointer for the instance dict somewhere in your type definition. It's going to increase the size of every object by 4 bytes on a 32

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Addition of a dict object to all NumPy objects

2008-08-15 Thread Charles R Harris
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Travis E. Oliphant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Robert Kern wrote: > > > 3) Are the additional 4-8 bytes too expensive > > >>> One of the problems with numarray was the time taken to allocate small > >>> arrays. Would adding a dictionary slow down the allo

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Addition of a dict object to all NumPy objects

2008-08-15 Thread Travis E. Oliphant
Robert Kern wrote: > 3) Are the additional 4-8 bytes too expensive >>> One of the problems with numarray was the time taken to allocate small >>> arrays. Would adding a dictionary slow down the allocation of numpy arrays? >>> No, I don't think so, not if we did nothing by

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Addition of a dict object to all NumPy objects

2008-08-15 Thread Robert Kern
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 15:15, Charles R Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Charles R Harris > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Travis E. Oliphant >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> While we are on the subjec

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Addition of a dict object to all NumPy objects

2008-08-15 Thread Charles R Harris
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Charles R Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Travis E. Oliphant < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> Hello all, >> >> While we are on the subject of C-API changes, I've noticed that quite a >> few of the sub-classes of ndarr

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Addition of a dict object to all NumPy objects

2008-08-15 Thread Charles R Harris
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Travis E. Oliphant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > Hello all, > > While we are on the subject of C-API changes, I've noticed that quite a > few of the sub-classes of ndarray are constructed to basically add > meta-information to the array. > > What if the base-class

[Numpy-discussion] Addition of a dict object to all NumPy objects

2008-08-15 Thread Travis E. Oliphant
Hello all, While we are on the subject of C-API changes, I've noticed that quite a few of the sub-classes of ndarray are constructed to basically add meta-information to the array. What if the base-class ndarray grew a dict object at it's end to hold meta information. Naturally, several