Re: [Numpy-discussion] SciPy 2014 BoF NumPy Participation

2014-06-05 Thread Chris Barker
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Kyle Mandli wrote: > In the past I know that we have simply gathered in a circle and discussed > which works as well. Whatever the case, if someone could volunteer to > "lead" the discussion > It's my experience that a really good facilitator could make all the

Re: [Numpy-discussion] big-bangs versus incremental improvements (was: Re: SciPy 2014 BoF NumPy Participation)

2014-06-05 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:24 PM, David Cournapeau wrote: > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Charles R Harris > wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 6:40 AM, David Cournapeau >> wrote: >>> IMO, what is needed the most is refactoring the internal to extract the >>> Python C API low level from the rest o

Re: [Numpy-discussion] big-bangs versus incremental improvements (was: Re: SciPy 2014 BoF NumPy Participation)

2014-06-05 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:36 AM, Charles R Harris wrote: > @nathaniel IIRC, one of the objections to the missing values work was that > it changed the underlying array object by adding a couple of variables to > the structure. I'm willing to do that sort of thing, but it would be good to > have gen

Re: [Numpy-discussion] fftw supported?

2014-06-05 Thread Alexander Eberspächer
On 05.06.2014 11:13, Daπid wrote: > pyFFTW provides a drop-in replacement for Numpy and Scipy's fftw: > > https://hgomersall.github.io/pyFFTW/pyfftw/interfaces/interfaces.html Sure. But if you want use multi-threading and the wisdom mechanisms, you have to take care of it yourself. You didn't ha

Re: [Numpy-discussion] SciPy 2014 BoF NumPy Participation

2014-06-05 Thread Stéfan van der Walt
Hi Kyle Kyle Mandli writes: > The BoF format would be up to those who would lead > the discussion, a couple of ideas used in the past include picking out a > few of the lead devs to be on a panel and have a Q&A type of session or an > open Q&A with perhaps audience guided list of topics. Unfortu

Re: [Numpy-discussion] SciPy 2014 BoF NumPy Participation

2014-06-05 Thread Kyle Mandli
It sounds like there is a lot to discuss come July and I am sure there will be others "willing" to voice their opinions as well. The primary goal in all of this would be to have a constructive discussion concerning the future of NumPy, do you guys have a feeling for what might be the most effectiv

Re: [Numpy-discussion] big-bangs versus incremental improvements (was: Re: SciPy 2014 BoF NumPy Participation)

2014-06-05 Thread David Cournapeau
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 6:40 AM, David Cournapeau > wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:36 AM, Charles R Harris < >> charlesr.har...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Travis Oliphant >>>

Re: [Numpy-discussion] big-bangs versus incremental improvements (was: Re: SciPy 2014 BoF NumPy Participation)

2014-06-05 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > At some point there *will* be a NumPy 2.0. What features go into NumPy > 2.0, how much backward compatibility is provided, and how much porting is > needed to move your code from NumPy 1.X to NumPy 2.X is the real user > question --- not w

Re: [Numpy-discussion] big-bangs versus incremental improvements (was: Re: SciPy 2014 BoF NumPy Participation)

2014-06-05 Thread Charles R Harris
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 6:40 AM, David Cournapeau wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:36 AM, Charles R Harris < > charlesr.har...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Travis Oliphant >> wrote: >> >>> Believe me, I'm all for incremental changes if it is actually poss

Re: [Numpy-discussion] big-bangs versus incremental improvements (was: Re: SciPy 2014 BoF NumPy Participation)

2014-06-05 Thread josef . pktd
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:40 AM, David Cournapeau wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:36 AM, Charles R Harris < > charlesr.har...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Travis Oliphant >> wrote: >> >>> Believe me, I'm all for incremental changes if it is actually poss

Re: [Numpy-discussion] big-bangs versus incremental improvements (was: Re: SciPy 2014 BoF NumPy Participation)

2014-06-05 Thread josef . pktd
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Todd wrote: > > On 5 Jun 2014 14:28, "David Cournapeau" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Todd wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 5 Jun 2014 02:57, "Nathaniel Smith" wrote: > >> > > >> > On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Travis Oliphant > wrote: >

Re: [Numpy-discussion] big-bangs versus incremental improvements (was: Re: SciPy 2014 BoF NumPy Participation)

2014-06-05 Thread Robert Kern
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Todd wrote: > > On 5 Jun 2014 14:28, "David Cournapeau" wrote: >> >> There has been discussions about integrating numpy a long time ago (can't >> find a reference right now), and the consensus was that this was possible in >> its current shape nor advisable. The si

Re: [Numpy-discussion] big-bangs versus incremental improvements (was: Re: SciPy 2014 BoF NumPy Participation)

2014-06-05 Thread Todd
On 5 Jun 2014 14:28, "David Cournapeau" wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Todd wrote: >> >> >> On 5 Jun 2014 02:57, "Nathaniel Smith" wrote: >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Travis Oliphant wrote: >> > And numpy will be much harder to replace than numeric -- >> > numeric

Re: [Numpy-discussion] big-bangs versus incremental improvements (was: Re: SciPy 2014 BoF NumPy Participation)

2014-06-05 Thread David Cournapeau
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:36 AM, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Travis Oliphant > wrote: > >> Believe me, I'm all for incremental changes if it is actually possible >> and doesn't actually cost more. It's also why I've been silent until now >> about anything we a

Re: [Numpy-discussion] big-bangs versus incremental improvements (was: Re: SciPy 2014 BoF NumPy Participation)

2014-06-05 Thread David Cournapeau
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Todd wrote: > > On 5 Jun 2014 02:57, "Nathaniel Smith" wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Travis Oliphant > wrote: > > And numpy will be much harder to replace than numeric -- > > numeric wasn't the most-imported package in the pythonverse ;-). > > If

Re: [Numpy-discussion] fftw supported?

2014-06-05 Thread Daπid
On 4 June 2014 23:34, Alexander Eberspächer wrote: > If you feel pyfftw bothers you with too many FFTW details, you may try > something like https://github.com/aeberspaecher/transparent_pyfftw > (be careful, it's a hack that has seen only little testing). > pyFFTW provides a drop-in replacement

Re: [Numpy-discussion] big-bangs versus incremental improvements (was: Re: SciPy 2014 BoF NumPy Participation)

2014-06-05 Thread Todd
On 5 Jun 2014 02:57, "Nathaniel Smith" wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > And numpy will be much harder to replace than numeric -- > numeric wasn't the most-imported package in the pythonverse ;-). If numpy is really such a core part of python ecosystem, does it