Re: [Numpy-discussion] Remove support for numeric and numarray in 1.8

I realize we may be a minority but it would be very nice if support for numeric could be kept for a few more versions. We don't have any particular needs for numarray. We just under went through an extremely long and painful process to upgrade our software

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Do we want scalar casting to behave as it does at the moment?

2013/1/6 Nathaniel Smith : > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:43 AM, Olivier Delalleau wrote: >> 2013/1/5 Nathaniel Smith : >>> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Andrew Collette >>> wrote: I agree the current behavior is confusing. Regardless of the details of what to do, I suppose my main objec

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Do we want scalar casting to behave as it does at the moment?

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:43 AM, Olivier Delalleau wrote: > 2013/1/5 Nathaniel Smith : >> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Andrew Collette >> wrote: >>> I agree the current behavior is confusing. Regardless of the details >>> of what to do, I suppose my main objection is that, to me, it's really >

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Do we want scalar casting to behave as it does at the moment?

2013/1/5 Nathaniel Smith : > On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Andrew Collette > wrote: >> I agree the current behavior is confusing. Regardless of the details >> of what to do, I suppose my main objection is that, to me, it's really >> unexpected that adding a number to an array could result in an

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Remove support for numeric and numarray in 1.8

On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Charles R Harris > wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Charles R Harris < > charlesr.har...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: >

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Remove support for numeric and numarray in 1.8

On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Charles R Harris > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Charles R Harris >>> wrote: >>> > Thoughts? >>> >>> To be clear, wh

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Which Python to use for Mac binaries

On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Ralf Gommers wrote: >> Which exact Python do we need to use on Mac? Do we need to use the >> binary installer from python.org? > > Yes, the one from python.org. > >> Or can I install it from source? you could install from source using the same method that the pytho

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Remove support for numeric and numarray in 1.8

On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > >> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Charles R Harris >> wrote: >> > Thoughts? >> >> To be clear, what you're talking about is basically deleting these two >> packages: >> numpy

Re: [Numpy-discussion] high dimensional array -> python scalar/index

On Sun, 2013-01-06 at 13:28 -0500, josef.p...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Sebastian Berg > wrote: > > Question for everyone, is this really reasonable: > > > import numpy as np > from operator import index > index(np.array([[5]])) > > 5 > int(np.array([[

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Rank-0 arrays - reprise

On 01/06/2013 05:52 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn > wrote: >> I should have been more precise: I like the proposal, but also believe >> the additional complexity introduced have significant costs that must be >> considered. >> >>a) Making +=

Re: [Numpy-discussion] high dimensional array -> python scalar/index

On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Sebastian Berg wrote: > Question for everyone, is this really reasonable: > import numpy as np from operator import index index(np.array([[5]])) > 5 int(np.array([[5]])) > 5 [0,1,2,3][np.array([[2]])] > 2 Not sure I understand the point l

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Rank-0 arrays - reprise

Hi, On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: >> >> On 5 Jan 2013 12:16, "Matthew Brett" wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > Following on from Nathaniel's explorations of the scalar - array >> > casting rules, some resources

[Numpy-discussion] high dimensional array -> python scalar/index

Question for everyone, is this really reasonable: >>> import numpy as np >>> from operator import index >>> index(np.array([[5]])) 5 >>> int(np.array([[5]])) 5 >>> [0,1,2,3][np.array([[2]])] 2 To me, this does not make sense, why should we allow to use a high dimensional object like a normal scal

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Rank-0 arrays - reprise

On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On 5 Jan 2013 12:16, "Matthew Brett" wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Following on from Nathaniel's explorations of the scalar - array > > casting rules, some resources on rank-0 arrays. > > > > The discussion that Nathaniel tracked down on "ran

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Rank-0 arrays - reprise

On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: > I should have been more precise: I like the proposal, but also believe > the additional complexity introduced have significant costs that must be > considered. > > a) Making += behave differently for readonly arrays should be > caref

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Remove support for numeric and numarray in 1.8

On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Charles R Harris > wrote: > > Thoughts? > > To be clear, what you're talking about is basically deleting these two > packages: > numpy.oldnumeric > numpy.numarray > plus the compatibility C API in > nu

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Remove support for numeric and numarray in 1.8

On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Charles R Harris wrote: > Thoughts? To be clear, what you're talking about is basically deleting these two packages: numpy.oldnumeric numpy.numarray plus the compatibility C API in numpy/numarray/include ? So this would only affect Python code which explicit

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Rank-0 arrays - reprise

On 01/06/2013 11:16 AM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On 6 Jan 2013 07:59, "Dag Sverre Seljebotn" > wrote: > > Try to enumerate all the fundamentally different things (if you count > > memory use/running time) that can happen for ndarrays a, b, and > > arbitrary x

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Rank-0 arrays - reprise

On 01/06/2013 10:41 AM, Sebastian Berg wrote: > On Sun, 2013-01-06 at 08:58 +0100, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: >> On 01/05/2013 10:31 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: >>> On 5 Jan 2013 12:16, "Matthew Brett" wrote: Hi, Following on from Nathaniel's explorations of the scalar - array

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Rank-0 arrays - reprise

On 6 Jan 2013 07:59, "Dag Sverre Seljebotn" wrote: > Try to enumerate all the fundamentally different things (if you count > memory use/running time) that can happen for ndarrays a, b, and > arbitrary x here: > > a += b[x] > > That's already quite a lot, your proposal adds even more options. It's

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Which Python to use for Mac binaries

On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Ondřej Čertík wrote: > Hi, > > Currently the NumPy binaries are built using the pavement.py script, > which uses the following Pythons: > > MPKG_PYTHON = { > "2.5": > ["/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/bin/python"], > "2.6": > ["/Lib

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Rank-0 arrays - reprise

On Sun, 2013-01-06 at 08:58 +0100, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: > On 01/05/2013 10:31 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > > On 5 Jan 2013 12:16, "Matthew Brett" wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Following on from Nathaniel's explorations of the scalar - array > >> casting rules, some resources on rank-0 arra