Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-11 Thread Steve Adeff
On Wednesday 11 January 2006 19:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 08:18:12AM +0900, David Bennett wrote: > > Here here! I second that.,.. can -F be added after an array is created? > > The -F option isn't "added" to the array. It's a mdadm run-time > argument that tells it to

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-11 Thread chris
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 08:18:12AM +0900, David Bennett wrote: > Here here! I second that.,.. can -F be added after an array is created? The -F option isn't "added" to the array. It's a mdadm run-time argument that tells it to check the array for errors. The -F option isn't useful (and may even

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-11 Thread David Bennett
Here here! I second that.,.. can -F be added after an array is created? On 1/12/06, Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you decide to go raid5 then you *must* use mdadm -F (otherwise you > > may well miss a disk failure - it's easy to do). Of course if you use > > raid0 this isn't impo

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-11 Thread Steve Adeff
On Tuesday 10 January 2006 04:11, David wrote: > James C. Dastrup wrote: > >>>mdadm RAID 0 with 3 drives, JFS (my favorite) or XFS file system. > >>> > >>>Some may disagree, but in such a simple setup, I don't see any reason to > >>>add lvm on top of this RAID array, but others may prefer it. > >>>

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-10 Thread James C. Dastrup
>> Don't do this. >> >> You shouldn't mix raidtab and mdadm >> raidtab is obsolete with newer md. Uninstall it. >> >> using mdadm the above would be: >> mdadm --create /dev/md0 --chunk=32 --level=raid0 --raid-devices=2 >> /dev/hda1 /dev/hdc1 >> >> I suggest reading man mdadm (and why are you settin

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-10 Thread Steve Adeff
On Tuesday 10 January 2006 04:11, David wrote: > James C. Dastrup wrote: > >>>mdadm RAID 0 with 3 drives, JFS (my favorite) or XFS file system. > >>> > >>>Some may disagree, but in such a simple setup, I don't see any reason to > >>>add lvm on top of this RAID array, but others may prefer it. > >>>

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-10 Thread Steve Adeff
On Tuesday 10 January 2006 02:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 08:53:31PM -0500, Steve Adeff wrote: > > If I can add drives in after initial creation, I could add in more of my > > 320gig drives I have with other media on them, increase write speed a bit > > and not worry abou

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-10 Thread Graham Mitchell
PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:33 AM To: Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 08:53:31PM -0500, Steve Adeff wrote: > If I can add drives in after initial creation, I could add in more of my > 320gig drives I have with oth

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-10 Thread David
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 08:53:31PM -0500, Steve Adeff wrote: > > >>If I can add drives in after initial creation, I could add in more of my >>320gig drives I have with other media on them, increase write speed a bit and >>not worry about losing the other data as well.

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-10 Thread David
James C. Dastrup wrote: >>>mdadm RAID 0 with 3 drives, JFS (my favorite) or XFS file system. >>> >>>Some may disagree, but in such a simple setup, I don't see any reason to >>>add lvm on top of this RAID array, but others may prefer it. >>> >>>Also note, I don't believe you can boot off of a md RA

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-09 Thread chris
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 08:53:31PM -0500, Steve Adeff wrote: > If I can add drives in after initial creation, I could add in more of my > 320gig drives I have with other media on them, increase write speed a bit and > not worry about losing the other data as well. You can't increase the number o

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-09 Thread chris
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 08:36:14PM -, Johnathon Meichtry wrote: > but between them you will probably have > three reads with two probably being on the same disk therefore RAID0 only > giving you a marginal performance improvement without even taking into > account disk 1 and disk 2 being on

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-09 Thread Steve Adeff
On Monday 09 January 2006 19:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 10:03:50AM -0500, Steve Adeff wrote: > > I was under the impression RAID 0 was the fastest RAID, but has no data > > protection? Is there no way to get RAID 0 to use more than one drive? > > A RAID-0 array with only

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-09 Thread chris
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 03:44:05PM -0700, James C. Dastrup wrote: > Also note, I don't believe you can boot off of a md RAID 0 drive, so you'll > need another driver (or network boot) for your boot partition. The mdadm tools will build arrays out of partitions, so you can divide up your disks to

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-09 Thread chris
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 10:03:50AM -0500, Steve Adeff wrote: > I was under the impression RAID 0 was the fastest RAID, but has no data > protection? Is there no way to get RAID 0 to use more than one drive? A RAID-0 array with only one drive in it would be pointless, but possible. The mdadm tool

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-09 Thread Steve Adeff
On Monday 09 January 2006 19:25, James C. Dastrup wrote: > >> mdadm RAID 0 with 3 drives, JFS (my favorite) or XFS file system. > >> > >> Some may disagree, but in such a simple setup, I don't see any reason to > >> add lvm on top of this RAID array, but others may prefer it. > >> > >> Also note, I

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-09 Thread James C. Dastrup
>> mdadm RAID 0 with 3 drives, JFS (my favorite) or XFS file system. >> >> Some may disagree, but in such a simple setup, I don't see any reason to >> add lvm on top of this RAID array, but others may prefer it. >> >> Also note, I don't believe you can boot off of a md RAID 0 drive, so you'll >> ne

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-09 Thread Steve Adeff
On Monday 09 January 2006 17:44, James C. Dastrup wrote: > >> >So what will mdadm do? What is my best option for using 2 drives to get > >> > the most speed out of them as a combined drive? > >> > >> mdadm does a true RAID 0 > > > >Ok, let me ask the question again... > > > >I have 2, possibly 3, 3

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-09 Thread James C. Dastrup
>> >So what will mdadm do? What is my best option for using 2 drives to get >> > the most speed out of them as a combined drive? >> >> mdadm does a true RAID 0 >> > >Ok, let me ask the question again... > >I have 2, possibly 3, 320gig SATA drives. I want to build a RAID array that >will maximize th

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-09 Thread Steve Adeff
On Monday 09 January 2006 15:59, James C. Dastrup wrote: > >?On Monday 09 January 2006 14:53, James C. Dastrup wrote: > >> >All RAID0 does is join (or grow) partitions together. It is very > >> > useful if you have, for example, three 100GB disks about like them > >> > joined into a 300GB partitio

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-09 Thread Brian Wood
Given that this must be taken with a bit of a grain of salt: hdparm -tT /dev/hda Timing cached reads: 2820 MB in 2.00 second = 1409.91 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 200 MB in 3.02 seconds = 66.31 MB/sec hdparm -tT /dev/MD0 Timing cached reads: 2804 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1401.91 MB/sec Timing

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-09 Thread James C. Dastrup
>?On Monday 09 January 2006 14:53, James C. Dastrup wrote: >> >All RAID0 does is join (or grow) partitions together. It is very useful >> > if you have, for example, three 100GB disks about like them joined into a >> > 300GB partition. >> >> Not exactly. A true RAID 0 (or a striped set) alternates

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-09 Thread Johnathon Meichtry
server). Johnathon - Original Message - From: "Steve Adeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID On Monday 09 January 2006 14:32, Johnathon Meichtry wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-09 Thread Johnathon Meichtry
hat if you lose one you don't lose the lot and you have a better chance of getting a performance improvement. Johnathon - Original Message - From: "James C. Dastrup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion about mythtv" Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:53 PM S

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-09 Thread Steve Adeff
On Monday 09 January 2006 14:32, Johnathon Meichtry wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Steve Adeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:03 PM > Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID > > > On Sunday 08

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-09 Thread Steve Adeff
On Monday 09 January 2006 14:53, James C. Dastrup wrote: > >All RAID0 does is join (or grow) partitions together. It is very useful > > if you have, for example, three 100GB disks about like them joined into a > > 300GB partition. > > Not exactly. A true RAID 0 (or a striped set) alternates writin

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-09 Thread James C. Dastrup
>All RAID0 does is join (or grow) partitions together. It is very useful if >you have, for example, three 100GB disks about like them joined into a 300GB >partition. > Not exactly. A true RAID 0 (or a striped set) alternates writing each block from one disk to the other. This increases performanc

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-09 Thread Johnathon Meichtry
D]> To: Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID > On Sunday 08 January 2006 19:50, Gavin Haslett wrote: >> RAID 0 would be a straight stripe with no data protection. You were >> talking about three drives, so in order to use all three y

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-09 Thread Steve Adeff
On Sunday 08 January 2006 19:50, Gavin Haslett wrote: > RAID 0 would be a straight stripe with no data protection. You were > talking about three drives, so in order to use all three you'd be > talking this or a RAID 5 in order to get some modicum of protection. I was under the impression RAID 0 w

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-08 Thread Michael Haan
On 1/8/06, Kevin Kuphal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gavin Haslett wrote:>I know you said data protection is not an issue... but believe me when I>tell you that it can become an issue rapidly. You can build a>significant collection of recordings on any reasonable size media (I >have mirrored 160Gb dr

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-08 Thread Kevin Kuphal
Gavin Haslett wrote: I know you said data protection is not an issue... but believe me when I tell you that it can become an issue rapidly. You can build a significant collection of recordings on any reasonable size media (I have mirrored 160Gb drives myself), and there's no recovery if you lose

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-08 Thread Gavin Haslett
RAID 0 would be a straight stripe with no data protection. You were talking about three drives, so in order to use all three you'd be talking this or a RAID 5 in order to get some modicum of protection. If you wanted to go RAID 1 or RAID 0+1 then you'd need an even number of drives, and total capa

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-08 Thread Brian Wood
If your goal is performance, and you are running a typical PC with only 1 32-bit PCI bus, then watch out for saturating that bus. You can get no more performance than the single PCI bus can deliver, after that more drives give you more space at the cost of performance. You would have to g

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-08 Thread Michael Haan
On 1/8/06, Joe Votour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> On Sunday 08 January 2006 15:14, Joe Votour wrote:> > --- Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:> > > So you use the raid controller but use mdadm to> > > handle the RAID array?> >> > What you do is use th

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-08 Thread Joe Votour
--- Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 08 January 2006 15:14, Joe Votour wrote: > > --- Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So you use the raid controller but use mdadm to > > > handle the RAID array? > > > > What you do is use the ports in non-RAID mode > (i.e. > > make

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-08 Thread Steve Adeff
On Sunday 08 January 2006 15:14, Joe Votour wrote: > --- Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So you use the raid controller but use mdadm to > > handle the RAID array? > > What you do is use the ports in non-RAID mode (i.e. > make them all regular SATA ports) and use mdadm to > create and ma

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-08 Thread Michael Haan
On 1/8/06, Joe Votour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> On Sunday 08 January 2006 14:30, Michael Haan wrote: > > On 1/8/06, Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > On Sunday 08 January 2006 13:20, Joe Votour> wrote:> > > > --- Steve Adeff < [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-08 Thread Joe Votour
--- Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 08 January 2006 14:30, Michael Haan wrote: > > On 1/8/06, Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sunday 08 January 2006 13:20, Joe Votour > wrote: > > > > --- Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the help!

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-08 Thread Steve Adeff
On Sunday 08 January 2006 14:30, Michael Haan wrote: > On 1/8/06, Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sunday 08 January 2006 13:20, Joe Votour wrote: > > > --- Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm in need of setting up RAID for my recordings > > > > drive since now I'm able

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-08 Thread Michael Haan
On 1/8/06, Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sunday 08 January 2006 13:20, Joe Votour wrote:> --- Steve Adeff < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > I'm in need of setting up RAID for my recordings> > drive since now I'm able to> > capture 2 HD + 1SD at a time, plus want to be able> > to do commerc

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-08 Thread Steve Adeff
On Sunday 08 January 2006 13:20, Joe Votour wrote: > --- Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm in need of setting up RAID for my recordings > > drive since now I'm able to > > capture 2 HD + 1SD at a time, plus want to be able > > to do commercial flagging, > > and for the time being, play

Re: [mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-08 Thread Joe Votour
--- Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm in need of setting up RAID for my recordings > drive since now I'm able to > capture 2 HD + 1SD at a time, plus want to be able > to do commercial flagging, > and for the time being, playback at least 1 HD > stream. > > I ordered 2 new harddrive

[mythtv-users] question about RAID

2006-01-08 Thread Steve Adeff
I'm in need of setting up RAID for my recordings drive since now I'm able to capture 2 HD + 1SD at a time, plus want to be able to do commercial flagging, and for the time being, playback at least 1 HD stream. I ordered 2 new harddrives which, while different than my current recordings drive ar