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> Sorry for the simple question, but how do I get the number of list
> members from a particular list using "withlist"?
>
> I'm trying to find lists with generic_nonmember_action set to 0 AND
> the number of list members
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It appears to me that the author of this message just wants to deposit
his spam. The website referenced in the message has nothing at all to do
with Mail / Mailman / Computing.
Please don’t feed the trolls...
Christian
Sron Dev schrieb am 28.01.24 um 15:43:
> Please let me know which platf
Hi, I administer and moderate a library and information science professional
list. The list is running on Mailman 2.1.26. There are nearly 5k list
subscribers, of which almost 4k are 'digest' registrants. The majority of the
registrations are with personal email IDs.
During the last
can I change this behavior? I would like all mails to be sent
immediately.
Greetings,
Andreas
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Hello Andreas Grupp via Mailman-Users. On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 12:34:35 +0100, you
wrote:
An > e-mail to a list of 600+ members is sent in tranches of 100
e-mails per sending process.
Possible that your SMTP server has a sending li
Hi all
I have a list with Mailman 2.1.39 running on cPanel (so, no direct
access to the server settings).
When the daily digest is sent, it comes with these headers:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
even if messages are sent with charactest "ou
to a hosted service to manage the list.
Transforming to a hosted service would alleviate the technical burden and
ensure the smooth operation of the list. If anyone has recommendations or
experiences with reliable and affordable hosted services for Mailman list
management, I would greatly appre
Thank you, Stephen, for your valuable suggestions regarding Mailman hosting
services. We greatly appreciate your input and will carefully consider them as
we take it forward.
With regards, Francis
From: Stephen J. Turnbull
Sent: 26 February 2024 15:29
To
Using mailman-2.6.x:
Is it possible to create a list (via CLI or the WUI) which has
multiple owner addresses?
Why?
Often my users want lists with multiple owners, and so I need a way of
EITHER:
* creating the list with multiple owners, all of which are getting the "Your
list has
> > Using mailman-2.6.x:
> >
>
> I never saw that version. Right now you'd be advised to run 2.1.39 if you
> must stick with 2.x
Did too much openvpn stuff recently, so I mistook openvpn-2.6.x with
Mailman 2.1.39 (which I'm actually using).
> Option 1 - mak
my
> archives. I no longer have access to that Mailman system.
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Hi,
I'd like some help diagnosing an intermittent DMARC mung failure on
Mailman 2.1.29.
Some of the time DMARC munging works perfectly fine, and then seemingly
with no configuration changes, DMARC munging stops working. Then after
restarting Mailman it may start working again. -
On Fri, 2024-04-19 at 22:55 -0500, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'd like some help diagnosing an intermittent DMARC mung failure on
> Mailman 2.1.29.
>
> Some of the time DMARC munging works perfectly fine, and then seemingly
> with no configurat
On 4/20/24 08:21, Jim P. via Mailman-Users wrote:
Does the sender have an internationalized domain name (IDN)?
Nope. My domain is one of them. Yahoo is another. The 3rd, which I
don't remember at the moment, is a .net or .com.
Are you able to reliably dig the sender's DMARC r
On Sat, 2024-04-20 at 20:08 -0500, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote:
>
> Are there any log entries, or debugging, that could be enabled /
> turned up to help diagnose this?
The vette log should have info about the dmarc lookups or lack of dmarc
for a domain
Hi, Please let me know how to implement the following requirement.
I'm using Mailman 2.1.26 with Postfix MTA and smtp.office365.com for email
relay. The issue is that the sender's email ID is rewritten with an email ID
used for office365 authentication in the approved messages. My q
* Dennis Putnam :
> I am developing a script that gets a list of members from a mailing list
> (mailman 2.1.15). I'm using popen (in python 2.7.5) to issue the command.
> However, even though I am running it as admin for that list, I'm getting a
> permissions error. How/wh
ay, 2 July 2024 8:21 am
To: Mark Sapiro
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Read-only file system
At Mon, 1 Jul 2024 12:45:11 -0700 Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> On 6/30/24 17:27, John wrote:
>
> > line 136, in enqueue fp =en(tmpfile, 'w') IOError: [
Hi all
We are running some lists using Mailman (obviously version 2.1.39) on cPanel
(110.0.36).
For some days now, I have received 2 or 3 error messages which are not telling
me anything, see the "Errormessage.jpg" attached. Sorry, my error message is in
German, but I’ll quic
le
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> Am 14.07.2024 um 14:49 schrieb Christian Buser via Mailman-Users
> :
>
> Hi all
>
> We are running some lists using Mai
he text from those pages rather than screen shots.
>
> Further, if HitaBug.jpg is just a page that says
>
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>
> Please inform the webmaster for this site of this
> problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been
> explicit
= German
„available_languages“ is set to German, English and French
Thank you
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non-professional, think so).
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Hi Christian,
Is this a new installation of Mailman 2.x?
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Hi all
Mailing list running in Mailman 2.1.39 / cPanel.
The digest option seems not to work. Users are complaining that they
don’t receive the daily digests, and trying to send a digest manually
with "send_digest_now" results in the following error message:
Bug in Mailman vers
` log. See
>> https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20and%20CPanel for more information.
>
>
> The log I received contains tracebacks like
> ```
> admin(24054): Traceback (most recent call last):
> admin(24054): File
> "/usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/driver
I run a Mailman installation, 2.1.39 through cPanel. I am having
trouble delivering to addresses that are a part of Google
Workspace! My mail reports show the mail is accepted, but the users
do not get it, and they, or I are seeing no errors.
Does Google have mail requirements I am not aware
ostfix.org
Message-ID:
In-Reply-To:
X-MailFrom: ge...@hendrickx.be
X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency;
loop; banned-address; member-moderation;
header-match-postfix-users.postfix.org-0; nonmember-moderation;
administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-
I'm looking for current best practices for configuring Mailman servers
so that they can deliver mail to subscribers, especially those with
gmail addresses and other e-mail service providers who use similar
anti-spam strategies.
Is it simply some combination of SPF, DMARC and DKIM? Ma
To Whom It May Concern,
The organization I work for is looking for a consultant who can assist in
the migration of a mailman v2 environment to mailman v3. Any information
would be appreciated. Thank you.
Jim Schaum
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ently started enforcing the DKIM standard and what makes it worse is that
they all seem to be taking different approaches to that enforcement. Could also
be that most of the mailman users are using mailman 3.xx - but unfortunately
CPANEL does not support that version - they recently let me know
This is shared hosting, right? I'm using Mailman (different host, though)
on a VPS and the list emails use the IP address of my VPS.
On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 12:05 PM ski--- via Mailman-Users <
mailman-users@python.org> wrote:
> This was the response I had received fr
Just FYI, since I haven't seen this mentioned here. Current roadmap is for
a release this quarter:
https://features.cpanel.net/tabs/11-planned-roadmap
It also looks as if they've decided not to move forward with Mailman 3 for
now (it's listed under "unplanned"):
https:/
In my Sent folder, it looks
like plain text. '=0D=0A' looks like ASCII codes for Windows CR/LF.
Is there a setting in Mailman that can prevent this from happening?
Thanks for any insights into this problem, and any suggestions or
advice you have for me.
-Kevin
My setup: Linux Ubuntu 24.
Hi all
Mailman 2.2.0 on cPanel
In the last few days, several messages (not all!) showed problems with
their text encodings.
This means, messages containing non-standard characters, like ä, ö, ü,
etc. do not arrive properly at the subscriber’s side. Instead of "ä",
they show &qu
You can see the latest CPANEL updates here:
https://docs.cpanel.net/changelogs/126-change-log/
> On Mar 27, 2025, at 3:46 PM, Christian Buser via Mailman-Users
> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Mailman 2.2.0 on cPanel
>
> In the last few days, several messages (not all!) sh
Thanks. I was not aware, and apologize for the bother. I'll take this
matter up with cPanel.
Jim
On Sat, Mar 29, 2025 at 7:41 PM Bill Cole <
mailmanu-20190...@billmail.scconsult.com> wrote:
> This list is for support of GNU Mailman, a legacy tool whose latest
> version i
Again, apologies to all for the disruption. Thanks for your patience.
Jim
On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 4:26 AM Stephen J. Turnbull <
turnb...@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:
> Bill Cole writes:
>
> > Mailman v2.2.0 is an apparently proprietary product from
> > cPanel.
>
> M
TypeError: 'int' object is not subscriptable.
do let me know if someone can help me out on this: https://getaichatbots.com/
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orted by:*[ subject ]
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when accessing held messages.
instead of
https://lists.ourdomain.net/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/listname?msgid=1
the mailman interface gives
https://ourdomain.net/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/listname?msgid=1
Also the list archive seems to have lost the "lists" part of the URL.
After trying to refresh
th no difficulties.
I've poked around the archives and can find nothing relevant, but perhaps
I'm not looking in the right way/place.
I've also updated mailman, but this seems like something our Linux/cPanel
system is interfering with.
I welcome and appreciate any thoughts or sugge
At 12:38 PM 6/28/2025, Mark Sapiro wrote:
On 6/28/25 09:46, David Andrews via Mailman-Users wrote:
There is stuff about the "secret form?" would
this work? If I understand it, the IP must
match. Then there is stuff about the life of
the form? Do both conditions have to be
true
I've recently upgraded an ancient 2.1.12 mailman installation to 2.1.39 and
noticed an encoding issue, when adding users via add_members.
Steps to reproduce and fix the issue:
1. Put these accented user names in an utf-8 file (users-utf-8.txt):
Těst Accénti
Mariò Rosśi
2. Set un a dummy
The writing suggests five seconds, that would
never work for us.
Are there other things we can do to get us out of this mess?
Thanks in advance!
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[Running Mailman 2.1.39 on Dreamhost]
I am attempting to create a 2-tiered list of subscribers to a Mailman list,
where everyone would receive all posts (modulo those whose subscription is
paused, etc.), and a 2nd tier (subset of everyone) who would be allowed to
post. This would be different
ople will stop using / supporting them.
Do what you think you need to do. But please think about it at least
one more time before you stop supporting these addresses.
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can't find anything in UI.
Is there a sub-directory I can empty?
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site) webmaster@ and (if used in DNS SOA
records) hostmaster@. All competent, responsible, professionals (and even
competent, responsible amateurs) support these: it's systems admin 101.
LOL. Have you seen sExchange'365?
Dima
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> I have a couple lists that are under some kind of subscription
> attack. There are thousands of subscription requests being held. I
> have things set to delete held messages after
tely.
What's a good value? 5?
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From: Stephen J. Turnbull
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2025 3:25 AM
To: David Andrews
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Unbouncing People
David Andrews via Mailman-Users writes:
> I know exactly why people are being bounced! It is beca
At 07:30 AM 7/20/2025, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
David Andrews via Mailman-Users writes:
> We are currently being blocked by Microsoft -- working to reverse.
[...]
> People are put on hold after there is non-delivery for a period of
> time. I go in to lists and take off the B
Hi all
We have moved 3 mailing lists from another system to a Mailman installation
(Mailman version 2.1.20). All user addresses have been imported from the old
installation, so a user should not notice the new software - unless he wants to
change something in his subscription.
Therefore it
you,
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Hi all
I have no idea where this question belongs to... but there might be some
knowing person out here, I hope!
We switched our lists to a new provider and now are using Mailman 2.1.20 from
Cpanel.
A user complained that his Thunderbird mail application (on MacOS X, if this
matters) does
because they weren't properly
authenticated. By default, all outgoing messages from .ch are DKIM
and SPF authenticated. Not sure about the mailing list messages,
though. Perhaps the Mailman needs authentication on its own.
This is a cPanel (56.0.21) installation of Mailman 2.1.20.
I
ng lists I know usually have the original sender's name
in the From-field...
So what am I doing wrong here?
My list runs on the cPanel 56.0.28 version of Mailman 2.1.20
Thank you, Christian
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Hi all
A list (Mailman 2.1.21 on cPanel installation) is behaving strangely. In the
header of a list message, there appears an "Envelope-To:" header line, which
contains 200 (of the approximately 1000) subscribers.
I did not find any setting which could be wront, and I think this
Good morning
I just gor a message from Mailman that a list subscription has been disabled
because of too many bounces. This is quite okay, I think - but when I look at
the Mailman management page, the user is still there as a subscribe. The only
difference is the check mark and a "B&qu
Hi all
We have Mailman 2.1.21 running on a cPanel (58.0.34) installation. Our biggest
"regular" list has something over 200 subscribers.
On September 2, I asked here about a problem that subsciber's email addresses
were displayed in the message headers, and you advised m
Hi all
Our lists run on a cPanel installation of Mailman (cPanel version 60.0.25,
Mailman version 2.1.23). Messages sent to the list take some long time to be
delivered to the subscribers - in the best case it is about 10 minutes, but it
can take up to over 40 minutes.
We asked our provider
ent addresses for Mailman, but may be the very same mailbox. Or
n...@domain1.com and n...@domain2.com might also end up in the same mailbox
Chrisitan
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> Odhiambo Washington <mailto:odhia...@gmail.com>
> 21. Dezember 2016 um 16:46
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know
erator's approval or discaring decision
(from the list software).
What is the standard procedure? I did not find a setting for this.
Using Mailman 2.1.23 on cPanel 60.0.28
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g list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Amit Bhatt
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his? We have to ensure that people
> reliably get the messages.
If he was taken off the list due to bounces - why should Mailman send a message
to an address which does not accept mails?
Christian
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Hi all
I have a new problem with our mailing list (Mailman 2.1.23 on cPanel 62.0.17
where a subscriber's provider rejects messages from the list. Not the usual
way, where the message simply bounces; here the original sender of the list
message receives a notification as shown i
Hi all
Every now and then, "Mailman 3" is mentioned on this list. As I
understand it, MM 3 is completely different from the current MM 2 we all
are using, and as Mark Sapiro wrote earlier today, questions regarding
MM3 belong somewhere else. And I think I'll be using MM 2 as
Hi all
I have started to install Mailman on a Mac OS X Sierra (10.12.4) machine, using
Macports. I installed the necessary python27 component and mailman itself so
far. But then, I am stuck...
At the end of the mailman install process, I receive the message
"Be sure to verify the emai
other setting which would require me to approve new members.
But maybe there is one I missed?
Mailman 2.1.23 on cPanel installation.
Tahnk you for advice, Christian
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Hello Richard Damon. On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 14:58:08 -0400, you wrote:
> On 6/4/17 1:16 PM, Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> For one of my (5) lists, I received today a request to approve a new
>> subscriber.
>>
>> No problem, I thought
Hi Kevin
GMAIL is a problem itself. On another mailing list (which is not a
Mailman list and I am not a moderator or something like that), messages
seem even to be held back by GMAIL and not delivered at all to the
subscribers.
I am not sure whether a GMAIL user can "educate" the mail
Hello Dlugasny via Mailman-Users. On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 15:43:43 -0400, you wrote:
> we are using Mailman to send out our company newsletters.
> Is it possible to get some how any statistics about Mailman E-mails
> opened by the users ? I simply would like to be informed if user
>
Hi
On a list using Mailman 2.1.23 (on cpanel 66.0.23) I have noticed the
following effects:
Most messages appear with the author's name and in the "From:"-field in
the same form as the author has set up in his mail application. However,
some show additional information lik
'ed
> themselves - but a test message where I put my own address in cc did
> not "munge" the sender's address...
And, additionally: why does my original question have "via Mailman-Users"
appended, while my reply (using the same mail app and the same settings) doe
original message be stripped?
If so, this will be done regardless of whether an explict Reply-To: header is
added by Mailman or not.
YES
Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly recommended for
most mailing lists.
THIS LIST
Explicit Reply-To: header.
(FIELD IS EMPTY)
To my u
Hello Dimitri Maziuk. On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 16:31:23 -0500, you wrote:
> But the welcome messages have been sent so interrupting it and
> re-running with smaller address chunks will have some people receive
> the welcome message twice. I'd like to avoid that.
I don't think
uations ASAP so that I can prod the provider into fixing the problem
> and requesting delisting, but Mailman doesn't seem to have a way to tell
> me when it gets a bounce... only when it's gotten several bounces and
> disabled a membership. Since I don't want to wait for s
Hello Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users. On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 10:10:56 -0600, you
wrote:
> Some drive by comments:
> ...
I can perfectly follow your thoughts and arguments, they appear to be justified
and reasonable.
However, could you please elaborate whether Mailman (version 2.x or 3.x)
l message’s HTML
text and not real attachments. And when the HTML is deleted by Mailman, the
images are of course also no longer showing.
> We’re also finding that if ipad/iphone users send emails with photos,
> the list lets the photos through, but iPad/iphone users can’t see
> them,
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a certain period without delivery problems? Or can I reset it manually (I did
not see this possibility, but it still might exist)?
Mailman 2.1.23 on cPanel 68.0.33
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Hello Mark Sapiro. On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:18:06 -0700, you wrote:
>> How is the bounce counter handled by mailman? Is it "reset"
>> automatically after a certain period without delivery problems? Or
>> can I reset it manually (I did not see this possibility,
g domain *does* exist, so I assume it's their
> problem. Is there anything at all I can do about this? Not all mail to
> these users bounces.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Jayson
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Hello David Elliott. On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 10:51:40 +0200, you wrote:
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> have set up a mailing list for my tennis club (about 300 on list) and
> it seems to work ok BUT each recipient only sees the mailing list
>
Hello Carl Zwanzig. On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 14:45:13 -0700, you wrote:
> On 3/27/2018 9:52 AM, Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users wrote:
>> Hello David Elliott. On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 10:51:40 +0200, you wrote:
>>
>>> One of the recipients recently did a 'reply to all&#
rs are "mail address aliases", which you can set up (or delete) in
the second icon of cPanel's "Email" section.
Christian
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Thanks for the responses, I have it doing what I want it to do now.
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Hi all
I have a Mailman 2.1.27 installation on cPanel 76.0.7.
Today a subscriber of a list sent an empty email trying to unsubscribe. He
addressed the message to the list address , with the
subject "unsubscribe", and else nothing. But instead of his unsubsciption being
processe
Hello Dimitri Maziuk via Mailman-Users. On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 15:45:31 -0600, you
wrote:
> So this was a user problem, mailman works exactly as advertised:
> - user has his e-mail forwarded to gmail,
> - gmail put it in "all mail",
> - not seeing it in "inbox"
ges held
for moderation.
Christian
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