Re: [Mailman-Users] feature request

2015-12-09 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Keith Bierman writes: > Probably betrays my ignorance of the OP's needs, but I'd have thought: > > 1) tracking who joins is more interesting than those leaving That depends. In many organizational settings monitoring certain channels is part of the job of certain people. And of course there'

Re: [Mailman-Users] feature request

2015-12-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 12/07/2015 01:54 PM, Steven Jones wrote: > > It is an emergency mailing list that only gets used in a major emergency, > 19000 subscribers. We dont really care who subscribes but we dont want > "important" ppl un-subscribing and then complaining they didnt get teh > emergency email down th

Re: [Mailman-Users] feature request

2015-12-07 Thread Steven Jones
ds Steven From: Mailman-Users on behalf of Keith Bierman Sent: Tuesday, 8 December 2015 10:47 a.m. To: Mark Sapiro Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] feature request Probably betrays my ignorance of the OP's needs, but I'd have thought: 1) t

Re: [Mailman-Users] feature request

2015-12-07 Thread Keith Bierman
Probably betrays my ignorance of the OP's needs, but I'd have thought: 1) tracking who joins is more interesting than those leaving 2) client side filtering (including automated discarding) allows the administrators to save their sanity ... So I find the described request slightly surprising. Kud

Re: [Mailman-Users] feature request

2015-12-07 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 12/06/2015 06:06 PM, Steven Jones wrote: > "Should administrator get notices of subscribes and unsubscribes? " > > > Would it be possible to split these as our list admins would like to see > unsubscribes but not subscribes. There are no plans to implement such a split in official MM 2.1 re

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 23, 2009, at 11:15 AM, Bill Catambay wrote: If by "send a message", you mean email a message to the normal foo- list email address, then I'm back to square one (i.e., it will never reach anyone on the list because of the aliases being whacked). Honestly, I don't see Mailman doing anyt

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 23, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: An ever-increasing number of software packages support the installation of 3rd party extensions, said extensions supporting the activities of installation, deactivation and removal, leaving the core system unaltered. This provides end users

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Terri Oda wrote: > >Maybe a nice in-between solution would be making sure the >FAQ/Documentation had an entry saying "if you need to get an emergency >message out and Mailman is not working, here's how to get the whole >subscriber list and send a Bcc'ed mail" Anyone want to volunteer to >stick

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
At 8:52 AM -0800 on 11/23/09, Mark Sapiro wrote: Bill Catambay wrote: If by "send a message", you mean email a message to the normal foo-list email address, then I'm back to square one (i.e., it will never reach anyone on the list because of the aliases being whacked). But, I hope you unde

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Bill Catambay wrote: > >If by "send a message", you mean email a message to the normal >foo-list email address, then I'm back to square one (i.e., it will >never reach anyone on the list because of the aliases being whacked). But, I hope you understand that your specific need/situation - email

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
At 1:32 PM +0200 on 11/23/09, Gadi Evron wrote: Actually, I spoke of a possible _announcement_ feature, not an emergency feature. "Announcement" feature would be better, since it's not always going to be an "emergency" (and would still work in my situation). -- ,,,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 09:42 -0600, Brad Knowles wrote: > However, the laundry list of "useful features" that could be added to > Mailman is several miles long and almost as wide, and I'm not > qualified to judge where on that laundry list this particular feature > would/should fall -- I'll leave th

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 23, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: I knew I'd seen that somewhere. Problem was I looked for it as an RFE and not as an existing feature :) :) -Barry PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Mailman-User

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Barry Warsaw wrote: > >On Nov 23, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> The second request, which might also satisfy the first if it were >> implemented as a web service, seems to be for a way to send a message >> right now to all members of a list (or all lists?) regardless of >> digest and n

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
At 11:05 AM -0500 on 11/23/09, Barry Warsaw wrote: The second request, which might also satisfy the first if it were implemented as a web service, seems to be for a way to send a message right now to all members of a list (or all lists?) regardless of digest and nomail settings. Actually, MM2

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
At 7:56 AM -0800 on 11/23/09, Mark Sapiro wrote: I see two requests in this thread. The original appeared to be a request for a way to send a regular post to a list via the admin web interface, which would be useful in cases where for whatever reason, the list was working but email delivery to

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 23, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: The second request, which might also satisfy the first if it were implemented as a web service, seems to be for a way to send a message right now to all members of a list (or all lists?) regardless of digest and nomail settings. Actually, MM2 al

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
At 7:32 PM +0900 on 11/23/09, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Bill Catambay writes: > 1. Mailman aliases not working (like in my case) > 2. Unable to access my email, but have access to web (which is common > for those of us behind corporate firewalls) > 3. My email is broken, but my internet i

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Gadi Evron wrote: > >Actually, I spoke of a possible _announcement_ feature, not an emergency >feature. I see two requests in this thread. The original appeared to be a request for a way to send a regular post to a list via the admin web interface, which would be useful in cases where for whatev

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Brad Knowles
On Nov 22, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Gadi Evron wrote: > Brad Knowles wrote: >> At the very least, you should find a different provider where they actually >> give you the support you require. > > Brad, crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature? I can see that it might be a us

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Gadi Evron
Bill Catambay wrote: 1. Mailman aliases not working (like in my case) 2. Unable to access my email, but have access to web (which is common for those of us behind corporate firewalls) 3. My email is broken, but my internet it still working However, even with these reasons, I wouldn't consider

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Gadi Evron
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Gadi Evron writes: > crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful > feature? I think that, as Mark alludes to, this feature would be harder to implement usefully than you'd think. It sounds easy, but remember, in a very large share cases where it wou

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Bill Catambay writes: > 1. Mailman aliases not working (like in my case) > 2. Unable to access my email, but have access to web (which is common > for those of us behind corporate firewalls) > 3. My email is broken, but my internet it still working > > However, even with these reasons, I w

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Catambay
1. Mailman aliases not working (like in my case) 2. Unable to access my email, but have access to web (which is common for those of us behind corporate firewalls) 3. My email is broken, but my internet it still working However, even with these reasons, I wouldn't consider it a big deal, especi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-23 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Gadi Evron writes: > crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful > feature? I think that, as Mark alludes to, this feature would be harder to implement usefully than you'd think. It sounds easy, but remember, in a very large share cases where it would be useful *your mail syste

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread Terri Oda
LuKreme wrote: On 22-Nov-2009, at 17:14, Gadi Evron wrote: Brad, crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature? It could be useful in a very narrow set of circumstances. the question is, is it worth putting resources into such a feature for those very few times this wou

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread LuKreme
On 22-Nov-2009, at 17:14, Gadi Evron wrote: > Brad, crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature? It could be useful in a very narrow set of circumstances. the question is, is it worth putting resources into such a feature for those very few times this would be useful? My

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread Gadi Evron
Brad Knowles wrote: At the very least, you should find a different provider where they actually give you the support you require. Brad, crappy providers aside, do you think this might be a useful feature? I remember a few occasion when I needed to grab the subscribers list and email everyone

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread Sales at " Just Brits "
<< On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > This could be done with bin/inject on the Mailman server to inject a > message directly into Mailman's in/ queue bypassing the MTA, but you > don't have the required access. Since you don't have the required > access, I do see the need in you

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread LuKreme
On 22-Nov-2009, at 13:53, Bill Catambay wrote: > When I used Autoshare listserver software, it ran on my home server (a Mac), > and I never had to rely on anyone for support (handled everything myself). > Unfortunately, that software has not been updated in over 10 years and is no > longer supp

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread Larry Stone
On 11/22/09 2:53 PM, Bill Catambay at and...@excaliburworld.com wrote: > When I used Autoshare listserver software, it ran on my home server > (a Mac), and I never had to rely on anyone for support (handled > everything myself). Unfortunately, that software has not been > updated in over 10 years

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread Bill Catambay
The weekend crew at my ISP are general tech support (i.e., they really only handle internet connection issues). My ISP does have an Operations group which usually are pretty knowledgeable, but I they simply aren't working on the weekend. For what it's worth, they are the best ISP I have had i

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread Brad Knowles
On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > This could be done with bin/inject on the Mailman server to inject a > message directly into Mailman's in/ queue bypassing the MTA, but you > don't have the required access. Since you don't have the required > access, I do see the need in your case,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
Bill Catambay wrote: >Given my current situation (as rare as this situation may be), I have >come to realize that an emergency broadcast feature would be an >indispensable tool to have right now. Since my host made the alias >change on my mailing list, but did not create the MX record for the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: Emergency Broadcast

2009-11-22 Thread Adam McGreggor
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 12:55:31AM -0800, Bill Catambay wrote: > Given my current situation (as rare as this situation may be), I have > come to realize that an emergency broadcast feature would be an > indispensable tool to have right now. Since my host made the alias > change on my mailing li

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request

2009-03-17 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Michael Welch writes: > Mark Sapiro wrote at 05:57 PM 3/16/2009: > > >I don't know if adding a 'moderate' flag to invitations is really > >of general interest. > > Hi Mark. I am not sure either, but I know that I have wished for it > more than once. I know that Mailman cannot be everythi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request

2009-03-16 Thread Michael Welch
Mark Sapiro wrote at 05:57 PM 3/16/2009: >I don't know if adding a 'moderate' flag to invitations is really of general >interest. Hi Mark. I am not sure either, but I know that I have wished for it more than once. I know that Mailman cannot be everything to everyone. I think that more unive

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request

2009-03-16 Thread James Reid
Hi Everyone, For what it is worth... I'd like to be able to have all the options that are available in the user management screen available in the bulk subscription screen. I operate a list which is closed to anyone except by personal invite, so pretty much use the bulk subscribe option for all o

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request

2009-03-16 Thread Mark Sapiro
Michael Welch wrote: > >Mark Sapiro wrote at 05:27 PM 3/16/2009: > >>Michael Welch wrote: >>> >>>Ahh, a workaround. Change the default setting, add the member, then change >>>it back. >>> >>>Unfortunately, one has to wait until after the new member has confirmed >>>before changing the default m

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request

2009-03-16 Thread Michael Welch
Mark Sapiro wrote at 05:27 PM 3/16/2009: >Michael Welch wrote: >> >>Ahh, a workaround. Change the default setting, add the member, then change it >>back. >> >>Unfortunately, one has to wait until after the new member has confirmed >>before changing the default moderation settng back. > >I do

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request

2009-03-16 Thread Mark Sapiro
Michael Welch wrote: > >Ahh, a workaround. Change the default setting, add the member, then change it >back. > >Unfortunately, one has to wait until after the new member has confirmed before >changing the default moderation settng back. I don't get it. Why would you want to moderate new member

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request

2009-03-16 Thread Michael Welch
Hi Adam. Ahh, a workaround. Change the default setting, add the member, then change it back. Unfortunately, one has to wait until after the new member has confirmed before changing the default moderation settng back. Need to tie a string around my finger. Adam McGreggor wrote at 04:33 PM 3/1

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request

2009-03-16 Thread Adam McGreggor
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 04:20:39PM -0700, Michael Welch wrote: > I would love to see some way of putting someone on moderation when I > add or invite them via Mass Subscriptions (which for me is normally > one at a time anyway). have you used the default_member_moderation (privacy/sender) setting?

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-16 Thread Savoy, Jim
Brad Knowles wrote: > Mailing lists are useful for a wide variety of things, but > VT-type emergencies are not among them. Well we definitely know that it isn't the *only* solution (there are speakers and alarms and sirens and lights and cameras everywhere on campus). But it is just one more t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-15 Thread Brad Knowles
On 7/15/08, Savoy, Jim wrote: We have class lists, lab lists, club lists, team lists, student lists, employee lists, security lists (some of which contain every soul on our campus - rarely ever used (never used yet, in fact, knock wood) for Vi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-15 Thread Don Forbes
> Cyndi Norwitz wrote: > P.S. I still don't understand why they insist on an invite model. > Because all it takes is one listowner that doesn't understand and does a > mass subscribe of a number of people, some of those people complain and then > the entire ISP gets blacklisted. And some blackli

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-15 Thread Krystal Zipfel
Hello Jim, "I think that by running the server ourselves (and using only addresses from our domains) warrants this admittedly fascist attitude. Perhaps the safest way to handle this (in future releases) is to make mass-subscribe=NO the default setting for new installs, but not removing the opti

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-15 Thread Savoy, Jim
I guess we might be considered a fascist regime, but mass-subscribe is an invauable tool here at our university. Hardly any of our lists are opt-in (what a nightmare that would be for us - we need our lists up and populated on exact dates and ready to roll). We have class lists, lab lists, clu

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-14 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
Hi there, Stephen J. Turnbull: > This is a market to gain for Mailman but it currently lacks a few > features to do that. Well, my post is slowly getting off topic But IMO it would be quite on-topic for mailman-developers. This kind of post would be more effective in inciting dev activity i

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-14 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Zbigniew Szalbot writes: > 1/ Mailman as a discussion list - like the one we're having here. I > don't imagine spammers would be setting up their lists as discussion > list, would they? I don't actually imagine big time spammers using > mailman. They're all about botnets. Big time spammers

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-11 Thread Jason Pruim
On Jul 10, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Cyndi Norwitz wrote: It's a bit more work to get rid of junk mail but, again, the law says you have to be removed from their list if you ask. And there are some places to sign up to opt out of receiving mass mailings. The problem with this, is the fact tha

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 11, 2008, at 4:18 AM, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: 2/ Mailman as a newsletter/announcement list. I can't sponsor the developers (sad but true) but I'd love to see Mailman giving me an option to create either discussion or announcement list wit

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-11 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
Hi all, I have to disagree. Anything that can be done with the Mailman "mass subscribe" feature can be done just as effectively with a contact list on Gmail, in theory.[1] It's other aspects of Gmail policy that (so far at least) make that a small enough problem that I've never considered fi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-11 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: > I know there are people who use it responsibly, which is why I > don't advocate too strongly for its removal. But that doesn't mean > that it doesn't get abused, or that we shouldn't do things to try > to curb that abuse. I have to disagree. Anything that can be done

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-11 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Michael Welch writes: > I think that bulk adding is a dangerous thing to allow, from the > host's viewpoint at a minimum. Who's to say what unscrupulous > a-holes are ready to take advantage of that ability. Very dumb ones. I really don't see a major social problem here; as a host, make your

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-11 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Larry Stone writes: > Brad, I'm glad you added that. But it raises an interesting topic of > discussion which is why is e-mail held to a different standard than > other means of communication. Because it's different. First, the costs are several orders of magnitude cheaper. Second, identifyi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-10 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Cyndi Norwitz writes: > There are two differences with email: 1) there are only spotty and poorly > enforced laws against junk email (in part because a lot of it is > international and/or hidden) and 2) sending snail mail, faxes, or phoning > all cost money--sending emails costs little to noth

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-10 Thread Mark Sapiro
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >How can the Mass Subscriptions options for all new lists be changed to only >Invite? I'd like to eliminate the Subscribe option. I looked in the >Defaults.py file but did not find this. There are no settings for it nor for defaulting subscribe/invite to invite (altho

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-10 Thread Cyndi Norwitz
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:12:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When someone applies for games, I use mass subscribe to add them. I think it's reasonable to conclude that by applying, they have an expectation that I'll use the address they've provided to send them

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-10 Thread Brad Knowles
Hank van Cleef wrote: I am going to go on record as very strongly OPPOSED to removal of the "mass subscribe" feature. We used it as the only method a new user can subscribe to the list. I know there are people who use it responsibly, which is why I don't advocate too strongly for its remov

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-10 Thread hone+mailman
--On Thursday, July 10, 2008 2:42 PM -0600 Hank van Cleef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The two mail subscription ports (-join, -subscribe) are disabled. How can the Mass Subscriptions options for all new lists be changed to only Invite? I'd like to eliminate the Subscribe option. I looked in t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-10 Thread Hank van Cleef
The esteemed Brad Knowles has said: > > Personally, I would be happy to see the "mass subscribe" feature go away > completely from the web interface of Mailman, or at least disabled by > default. But then I've been fighting spam since the time I was the Sr. > Internet Mail Administrator at AOL

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-10 Thread Brad Knowles
Larry Stone wrote: Brad, I'm glad you added that. But it raises an interesting topic of discussion which is why is e-mail held to a different standard than other means of communication. This is a lot like another case where there is only harm perceived when someone claims that they've been ha

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-10 Thread Larry Stone
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Brad Knowles wrote: > Michael Welch wrote: > > > That said, my own need calls for the ability to do just that. > > And I've used it myself on numerous occasions. This is why I haven't made > too much noise about stripping this function, or even turning it off by > default. I

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-10 Thread Dragon
Cyndi Norwitz wrote: I really really hate having my ability to effectively run lists (or websites or chats) curtailed because of the huge numbers of greedy jerks out there. I realize it can't be ignored but I am hoping there could be some middle ground. End original message. -

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-10 Thread Michael Welch
Right, Brad. Did you note that on our subscribe page, the default radio box is "subscribe" and not "invite?" I do not know if that is a site admin setting, but it seems to me it should be the opposite. Brad Knowles wrote at 11:58 AM 7/10/2008: >Michael Welch wrote: > >>That said, my own nee

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-10 Thread Brad Knowles
Cyndi Norwitz wrote: I thought Mark's suggestion of limiting direct adds to a small number per time unit, or my ISP's suggestion of being able to give particular lists or listowners the ability to do direct adds (overruled by his superviser it seems), to be quite reasonable. Agreed. Of course

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-10 Thread Brad Knowles
Michael Welch wrote: That said, my own need calls for the ability to do just that. And I've used it myself on numerous occasions. This is why I haven't made too much noise about stripping this function, or even turning it off by default. I trust myself to use it, and I'm willing to trust m

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-10 Thread Cyndi Norwitz
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:20:01 -0500 From: Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cyndi Norwitz wrote: > P.S. I still don't understand why they insist on an invite model. Because all it takes is one listowner that doesn't understand and does a mass subscribe of a number of people,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-10 Thread Michael Welch
Hi friends. I think that bulk adding is a dangerous thing to allow, from the host's viewpoint at a minimum. Who's to say what unscrupulous a-holes are ready to take advantage of that ability. That said, my own need calls for the ability to do just that. We are qualifying individual supporters

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-10 Thread Brad Knowles
Cyndi Norwitz wrote: P.S. I still don't understand why they insist on an invite model. Because all it takes is one listowner that doesn't understand and does a mass subscribe of a number of people, some of those people complain and then the entire ISP gets blacklisted. And some blacklists y

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-09 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Cyndi Norwitz writes: > I appreciate your input. I am curious what other server owners/ > ISP's do. From the talk on this list, it would seem that any > restriction on what listowners can do is considered a violation. Well, I wouldn't go so far as to call it a violation, but I would not want

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-09 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Cyndi Norwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Assuming you ran a system with users you didn't know well enough to judge, > what sorts of options would you consider implementing? If any... Excellent question. I would have to think, given the prevalence and persistenc

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-09 Thread Cyndi Norwitz
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:54:59 -0400 From: "Jim Popovitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Cyndi Norwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Obviously, I disagree. As do all the other mailing list providers that I'm > aware of. Not me. If I were setting up a Mail

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-09 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Cyndi Norwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Obviously, I disagree. As do all the other mailing list providers that I'm > aware of. Not me. If I were setting up a Mailman system that allowed un-trusted users to admin lists, then I would remove the bulk-subscription

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-09 Thread Cyndi Norwitz
Sigh...this is my ISP's response to my request. At least they did take it seriously and consider it (the option is Mark's suggestion of a severe limit on numbers of subscribers listowners could add per day/week/whatever). "We have decided that we are not going to implement this option on our curr

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-07-01 Thread Cyndi Norwitz
Hi all, I am finally doing a followup on this. Mark asked me to vet his proposed solution to my ISP and see what they said. They actually took it quite seriously and discussed it. I just got a phone call from the head guy in that department who wanted to speak to me directly about it. (Mark, I'

Re: [Mailman-Users] feature request

2008-06-26 Thread Mark Sapiro
Karen R McArthur wrote: >Is there a way to add the web membership management module to the >moderator without giving the moderator admin web access? No. To persue this as a feature request, see (you could add to the "other notes" section). -- Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-06-24 Thread Krystal Zipfel
That is EXACTLY right. Mark Sapiro wrote: My understanding of this is that "double opt-in" and what I call "confirmed opt-in" are the same thing and that they mean 1. User requests to be on the list via a web form, email, etc. This is the first opt-in. Note that strictly speaking, this probably

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-06-24 Thread Krystal Zipfel
Hello, Let me first say I was in no way competing with Cyndi's suggestion, I should probably have prefaced by saying I think the option provided is a good one. And again, we have no modifications to Mailman that is not built in to modify (we have turned off personalization for example, but no

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-06-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
Fil wrote: > >I'd be interested to know what you call "double opt-in". Is it a web >subscription + email reply with the cookie, or double-that (and in >that case, what is the scenario). My understanding of this is that "double opt-in" and what I call "confirmed opt-in" are the same thing and that

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-06-24 Thread Fil
Hi Krystal, I'd be interested to know what you call "double opt-in". Is it a web subscription + email reply with the cookie, or double-that (and in that case, what is the scenario). FWIW I don't think the option Cindy proposes passes Occam's razor. For the moment it looks like lots of complexity

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-06-24 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: > I don't see a problem with having this discussion continue on the > mailman-users list for now (at least you'll get the opportunity for some > feedback from other mailman list/site admins who are not on the > mailman-developers list), I think the very "political" nat

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-06-24 Thread Krystal Zipfel
(figures, apparently my mail program is one of those *broken* ones so apologies, this originally sent off list) Hello Cyndi, I do see where you are coming from, but abuse issues can go the opposite direction from your description, and usually does. The host I work for does NOT turn off mass

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-06-24 Thread Brad Knowles
Cyndi Norwitz wrote: Please let me know if I should post this elsewhere too. This is kind of an edge case. You're getting close to territory that would probably be better handled over on the mailman-developers list, although you're not really discussing any particular specific code changes

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-06-24 Thread Cyndi Norwitz
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:51:02 -0700 From: Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I can see that actual site settings something like MAXIMUM_LIST_OWNER_SUBSCRIBES = 10 LIST_OWNER_SUBSCRIBE_WINDOW = days(7) to allow at most 10 subscribes in any 7 day period, might be an alternative

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription

2008-06-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
Cyndi Norwitz wrote: >Please let me know if I should post this elsewhere too. > >The Mass Subscribe feature has two settings: on and off. No it doesn't. >My >ISP has chosen to turn off Mass Subscribe. Only the invite feature is >left. This is not a setting. It is a code modification done so

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request

2006-09-01 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On 9/1/06, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > >It'd sure be nice if there were a CSS file associated with the web > >archives that mailman generates. > > See . That's interesting. Although if I understand correctl

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request

2006-09-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >It'd sure be nice if there were a CSS file associated with the web >archives that mailman generates. See . -- Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabette

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request

2006-09-01 Thread Patrick Bogen
On 9/1/06, David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It'd sure be nice if there were a CSS file associated with the web > archives that mailman generates. Perhaps, ideally, a different one > for the individual message files and for the various index files. > Perhaps there could be a default o

Re: [Mailman-Users] feature request: archives in YYYY-MM format

2005-03-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > >thanks for hints Brad already gave a detailed reply regarding posting of patches to sourceforge.net. I have a couple of remarks about the patch itself. First, the diff is backwards. It shows deletions from the new version to make the original instead of additions to

Re: [Mailman-Users] feature request: archives in YYYY-MM format

2005-03-15 Thread Brad Knowles
At 5:45 PM +0100 2005-03-15, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: is this the correct place to ask "feature requests" (i didn't dare to go directly to mailman-dev) If you have a feature request, that should be filed on the Mailman RFE page at .

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request

2004-12-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
Allon Stern wrote: >I have a feature request. I have multiple email addresses, and >sometimes manage to send email to a list from the wrong account. In >that event, the message is held for review by a moderator. A message is >mailed back explaining this, with a link that I can follow to a webpa

Re: [Mailman-Users] feature request: rules on new mailing list names?

2003-12-08 Thread James Ralston
On 2003-12-08 at 22:14:26-0500 Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Modify the file ~mailman/Mailman/Utils.py > def list_exists(listname) Thanks for the tip. Making list_exists() lie in order to prevent the creation of undesirable lists seems like a kluge, though. Wouldn't it be better to ha

Re: [Mailman-Users] feature request: rules on new mailing list names?

2003-12-08 Thread Jon Carnes
On Mon, 2003-12-08 at 20:43, James Ralston wrote: > I've skimmed the FAQ and the mailing list archives, but I didn't see > this subject come up... > > I'm using Mailman 2.1.1. I really need to be able to prevent people > who are using the "list creator" role from being able to create > mailing li

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request..

2003-09-30 Thread Richard Barrett
On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 02:25 pm, Anders Norrbring wrote: Hiya! Would it be to much to ask for a language specific request? Both I and my users think a function to post different messages to different users depending of their language choice would be great! F.x. I run a news/info l

RE: [Mailman-Users] Feature request..

2003-09-30 Thread Anders Norrbring
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 03:25:13PM +0200, Anders Norrbring wrote: > > Would it be to much to ask for a language specific request? > > > > Both I and my users think a function to post different messages to > different > > users depending of their language choice would be great! > > > > F.x. I run

Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request..

2003-09-30 Thread Ed Wilts
On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 03:25:13PM +0200, Anders Norrbring wrote: > Would it be to much to ask for a language specific request? > > Both I and my users think a function to post different messages to different > users depending of their language choice would be great! > > F.x. I run a news/info li

RE: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request - Was RE: Subscriber List?

2003-05-30 Thread Jon Carnes
gt; -Original Message- > > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:24 PM > > To: Phil Iovino > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request - Was RE: > > Subscriber List? > > > >

RE: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request - Was RE: Subscriber List?

2003-05-30 Thread Phil Iovino
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request - Was RE: > Subscriber List? > > > Check out the list-member dump that is a part of the list's "listinfo" > page. This is available if turned on by the list admin. > > On Thu, 2003-0

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