Re: [Mailman-Users] list messages lost to Hotmail subscribers lost

2008-06-19 Thread Jeff Donsbach
I don't know what happened, but earlier this morning, my subscribers started getting list messages delivered on Hotmail again. We didn't do anything, other than to ask a few of our subscribers to add our domain to their "Safe List". At least for now, our issue seems to have solved itself .. unt

Re: [Mailman-Users] list messages lost to Hotmail subscribers lost

2008-06-18 Thread Brad Knowles
On 6/18/08, Mark Sapiro wrote: Welcome to the world of pain and frustration that is dealing with Microsoft and Windows live mail spam filtering - yes, they do accept your mail and then silently discard it. For small non-profit organizations, you can pay a one-time fee to Habeas and/or Retu

Re: [Mailman-Users] list messages lost to Hotmail subscribers lost

2008-06-18 Thread Allan Odgaard
On 19 Jun 2008, at 01:33, Mark Sapiro wrote: [...] The problem that I had initially and that you are apparently having now is that at some point, they accept your mail and then silently discard it. That hasn't happened to me again since the mitigation period, but I'm never relaxed about it

Re: [Mailman-Users] list messages lost to Hotmail subscribers lost

2008-06-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Jeff Donsbach wrote: >On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Welcome to the world of pain and frustration that is dealing with >> Microsoft and Windows live mail spam filtering - yes, they do accept >> your mail and then silently discard it. >> >> I had the s

Re: [Mailman-Users] list messages lost to Hotmail subscribers lost

2008-06-18 Thread Jeff Donsbach
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Welcome to the world of pain and frustration that is dealing with > Microsoft and Windows live mail spam filtering - yes, they do accept > your mail and then silently discard it. > > I had the same problem. I hammered and h

Re: [Mailman-Users] list messages lost to Hotmail subscribers lost

2008-06-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Jeff Donsbach wrote: > > I recently started having delivery problems with list messages to >Hotmail subscribers. The problem seems to have started on or around >June 10. I checked the syslog file and was seeing occasional (452 too >many recipients for delivery) errors. I changed SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to

[Mailman-Users] list messages lost to Hotmail subscribers lost

2008-06-18 Thread Jeff Donsbach
Hi, I recently started having delivery problems with list messages to Hotmail subscribers. The problem seems to have started on or around June 10. I checked the syslog file and was seeing occasional (452 too many recipients for delivery) errors. I changed SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 5 and SMTP_MAX_SESSION