Re: [Mailman-Users] diacritics in from header with from_is_list set to munge

2016-01-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mark Sapiro wrote: > Actually, further testing of this scenario shows that Mailman is likely > responsible for the mis-encoding as well. To summarize and wrap up. It was possible for mailman to create a From: User_name via list_name header with non-ascii in the User_name when creating the new

Re: [Mailman-Users] diacritics in from header with from_is_list set to munge

2016-01-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/21/2016 10:15 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Here's what I think is happening. > > Mailman is munging the From: header from > > From: vale...@mydomain.org > > to > > From: valérie via List > > where valérie comes from the member's name field in the list membership. > This is done to try to

Re: [Mailman-Users] diacritics in from header with from_is_list set to munge

2016-01-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/21/2016 11:08 AM, gabriel wrote: > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:50:55AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> I said "I'm still interested in seeing the unmunged, raw headers from >> the message delivered by Mailman" I.e., the message FROM Mailman, not >> the message TO Mailman. > > I don't quite un

Re: [Mailman-Users] diacritics in from header with from_is_list set to munge

2016-01-21 Thread gabriel
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:50:55AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 01/21/2016 10:40 AM, gabriel wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:15:33AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> > >> So there are no archives from which to retrieve what I asked for. I'm > >> still interested in seeing the unmunged, raw he

Re: [Mailman-Users] diacritics in from header with from_is_list set to munge

2016-01-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/21/2016 10:40 AM, gabriel wrote: > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:15:33AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> So there are no archives from which to retrieve what I asked for. I'm >> still interested in seeing the unmunged, raw headers from the message >> delivered by Mailman, but I'm sure I know wha

Re: [Mailman-Users] diacritics in from header with from_is_list set to munge

2016-01-21 Thread gabriel
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:15:33AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > So there are no archives from which to retrieve what I asked for. I'm > still interested in seeing the unmunged, raw headers from the message > delivered by Mailman, but I'm sure I know what's happening. i'm sorry there's really no

Re: [Mailman-Users] diacritics in from header with from_is_list set to munge

2016-01-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/21/2016 09:27 AM, gabriel wrote: > > That may not be so easy. in fact there is no archive of that list, but haven't > archived messages not been processed by mailman? OK. I sent my last reply before I saw this. So there are no archives from which to retrieve what I asked for. I'm still in

Re: [Mailman-Users] diacritics in from header with from_is_list set to munge

2016-01-21 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/21/2016 08:06 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > gabriel writes: > > > so the message of users getting bounced look like (abbreviated): > > > This is a delivery status notification from some.server.org, > > running the Courier mail server, version 0.75.0. > > FYI, bounce messages may or m

Re: [Mailman-Users] diacritics in from header with from_is_list set to munge

2016-01-21 Thread gabriel
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 01:06:29AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > From: =?utf-8?q?Val=C3=A9rie/Something_via_mylist_=3Cmyli?=, > > =?utf-8?b?ZW5AbGlzdHMubXRtZWRpYS5vcmc+?= > > > Sender: "mylist" > > So this has already been through Mailman. We really really need to > see the

Re: [Mailman-Users] diacritics in from header with from_is_list set to munge

2016-01-21 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
gabriel writes: > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:44:26AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > > Absent a bug in the email package. But yes, I'm suggesting exactly > > that there's a broken MUA out there sending something that doesn't > > parse correctly, and the email package is failing to re

Re: [Mailman-Users] diacritics in from header with from_is_list set to munge

2016-01-21 Thread gabriel
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:44:26AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Absent a bug in the email package. But yes, I'm suggesting exactly > that there's a broken MUA out there sending something that doesn't > parse correctly, and the email package is failing to respect the "In > the face of amb

Re: [Mailman-Users] diacritics in from header with from_is_list set to munge

2016-01-20 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
[Aside: I sent my previous message from the wrong address, and it was rejected. I am *not* resending it, since Mark quoted everything at some point. Nobody except me lost mail, and I deserved to! :-] Mark Sapiro writes: > On 01/20/2016 04:23 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Really? It's no

Re: [Mailman-Users] diacritics in from header with from_is_list set to munge

2016-01-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/20/2016 04:23 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes: > > > In any case, the From: I see is > > > > From: valérie via List1 > > > > which is technically not valid because it contains a non-ascii > > character, but even so, the message with that exact From: header is >

Re: [Mailman-Users] diacritics in from header with from_is_list set to munge

2016-01-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/20/2016 11:38 AM, gabriel wrote: > > i just noticed several times now that a bunch of users (most of them > subscribed with their yahoo email address) get bounced off my list > when the senders address contains diacritical marks in their > additional text field describing the name e.g >

[Mailman-Users] diacritics in from header with from_is_list set to munge

2016-01-20 Thread gabriel
hello, i just noticed several times now that a bunch of users (most of them subscribed with their yahoo email address) get bounced off my list when the senders address contains diacritical marks in their additional text field describing the name e.g From: "valérie" the problem here occ