[Mailman-Users] Reply-to addresses

2022-03-27 Thread Michael Welch
Hello friends. We are using Mailman through Dreamhost, which doesn't allow us to change server-based list configurations, we only have access to the Admin's normal Options pages. After years of working fine, we'd recently been having bouncing problems specifically with gmail addresses. Thinkin

[Mailman-Users] Reply To

2022-02-03 Thread John McDonald via Mailman-Users
Is there any way to remove "Reply" and "Reply To" from an email sent to a mailing list. -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/list

[Mailman-Users] Reply-To: Poster via archive?

2020-09-23 Thread Thomas Gramstad
A subscriber to a list I have with a public archive, has NOMAIL set and only reads and responds via the archive. But even though the list is set up with Reply-To: Sender as default, this subscriber, even when he is logged in, gets Reply-To list instead of Reply-To to poster when he replies via

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to header not set in mime encoded digest's

2018-10-30 Thread David Gibbs
On 10/29/18 4:51 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: A simple, but possibly unsatisfactory solution is to put the following two lines in mm_cfg.py GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('ToDigest') GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('ToOutgoing'), 'ToDigest') This will cause the message to not be added to the dig

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to header not set in mime encoded digest's

2018-10-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 10/29/18 12:42 PM, David Gibbs wrote: > > When MM 2.1.29 sends out a mime encoded digest, the individual messages > in the digest don't have the reply-to header set so replies go back to > the list (as with non-digest messages). > > Is there any way to have the reply-to header set correctly on

[Mailman-Users] Reply-to header not set in mime encoded digest's

2018-10-29 Thread David Gibbs
Folks: On my lists, I have reply_goes_to_list set so users reply's default to the list address. When MM 2.1.29 sends out a mime encoded digest, the individual messages in the digest don't have the reply-to header set so replies go back to the list (as with non-digest messages). Is there an

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-02-06 Thread Jordan Brown
[ This was getting pretty long and a bit repetitive, so I trimmed it brutally.  It's still pretty long, sigh. ] On 2/6/2018 2:09 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > But:  in my work contexts, it is quite common for a discussion to span > > two teams.  Again, a "reply" that goes to the List-Post a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-02-06 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jordan Brown writes: > On 2/5/2018 12:29 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > [various stuff, citation line preserved to make a point below] > You don't mention what your "smart reply" does with To and CC > addresses.  Discards them, I assume? Yes. It's intended to do what a certain large group

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-02-05 Thread Jordan Brown
On 2/5/2018 12:29 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > The question I asked, which you misinterpreted completely IMO, and > Grant partially agreed with is "Does an algorithm which 1. gives > overriding precedence to Reply-To, 2. otherwise if List-Post is > present directs it there, and 3. finally falls

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-02-05 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users writes: > Just because an MUA isn't on the Internet, does not mean that it > shouldn't play by the same or very similar rules. If it doesn't DWIM, I don't use it. But that's not the same as talking about conformance of clients. The question is whether the MUA *

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-02-05 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jordan Brown writes: > If you have "smart reply" as a separate function, yes.  If you have > the typical "Reply" and "Reply All", and the mailing list software > sets "Reply-To: ", then replying to the author is awkward and > error-prone. Sure, but in this thread we all agree that Reply-To mu

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-02-05 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Dimitri Maziuk writes: > Does it ave the same Message-ID though? According to RFC, Message-ID is an originator field, and MUST be present and MUST be unique. The MUA or submission agent should add it before handing off to the MTA. As a last resort the MTA may add it. If it gets past the MTA wi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-02-05 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Dimitri Maziuk writes: > On 2018-01-29 23:51, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > ... [ Reply-To ] should have a checkbox "same as my > > From address." > > Oh, great, now I'll rreecceeiivvee eevveerryytthhiinngg > ttwwiiccee.. No, that's not the way Reply-To works. Anyway, the point is that

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-31 Thread Sebastian Hagedorn
--On 30. Januar 2018 um 13:33:35 -0700 Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: On 01/26/2018 09:41 PM, Jordan Brown wrote: I was suggesting that one way to address that complaint would be for your mail client to detect the duplication and hide the duplicate copies. That sounds good in theor

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-31 Thread Sebastian Hagedorn
--On 30. Januar 2018 um 12:46:20 -0700 Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: Mutt and Gnus have had that for as long as I can remember. But there's always a huge constituency for a one-button do-what-I-mean function. "It's obvious what I want, why doesn't this stupid software get it?" I thi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Jordan Brown
On 1/30/2018 6:22 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 01/30/2018 04:53 PM, Jordan Brown wrote: >> (that is, first_strip_reply_to=No, reply_goes_to_list=This List) >> >> Then if user A sends a message to the list without a Reply-To, replies >> will go to the list, but if user B sends a message to the list w

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/30/2018 06:46 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > > I wonder if that hints at another option when munging the From: (i.e. > for DMARC reason).  Add the author (read: the original From:) as a > Reply-To and set the mailing list as From:.  That would provide the > original author infor

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/30/2018 07:22 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: No. In the User A case messages from the list will have a Reply-To with the list address and replies (ignoring the pathological recent Thunderbird) will go to the list as you say, but in the User B case, messages from the list will have a Reply-To wit

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/30/2018 05:53 PM, Jordan Brown wrote: [ Feh. My biggest MUA<->ML nuisance is that I don't have a way to force replies to use the custom From address that I use for that mailing list. I'm assuming that you're talking about the address that address that direct replies go to. My solution

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/30/2018 04:53 PM, Jordan Brown wrote: > > (that is, first_strip_reply_to=No, reply_goes_to_list=This List) > > Then if user A sends a message to the list without a Reply-To, replies > will go to the list, but if user B sends a message to the list with > "Reply-To: " replies will go to user

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Jordan Brown
[ Feh.  My biggest MUA<->ML nuisance is that I don't have a way to force replies to use the custom From address that I use for that mailing list.  Grant, sorry for the dup. ] On 1/30/2018 3:42 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > On 01/30/2018 03:11 PM, Jordan Brown wrote: >> There are thos

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/30/2018 03:11 PM, Jordan Brown wrote: There are those who would consider it a problem if your mailing list is (mis:-)configured to add "Reply-To: " if there is no existing "Reply-To". I don't see how the MLM's behavior (good / bad / indifferent) has anything to do with this being a prob

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/30/2018 02:43 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > On 01/30/2018 03:02 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: >> Does it ave the same Message-ID though? I suppose if I reply-both on >> this one, you'll have an easy way to check. > > Yes, they frequently do have the same Message-ID.  About the only

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/30/2018 03:09 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: To answer my own question, the one I got back from the list has the same message id that was sent out so a t least in this particular delivery chain nothing mangled it. ;-) In that case keeping a list of the N last delivered message ids and disca

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/30/2018 03:02 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: Does it ave the same Message-ID though? I suppose if I reply-both on this one, you'll have an easy way to check. Yes, they frequently do have the same Message-ID. About the only time they don't is if the MLM changes the Message-ID. (sending to

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/30/2018 03:04 PM, Jordan Brown wrote: Even getting agreement on what constitutes an ambiguous case might be tough. Agreement between people may be problematic. I think it will be quite simple to get people to define what they like and dislike. Which will likely differ from what other p

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Jordan Brown
On 1/30/2018 2:09 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > The only problem then is list mail will seldom land in the list > sub-folders as the direct replies should almost always come first and > land in inbox. That depends entirely on how you design your filters.  My Mailman filter looks for From, To, CC, or

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
And PPS my maildropex(7) has ''' Check if the Message-ID: header in the message is identical to the same header that was recently seen. Discard the message if it is, otherwise continue to filter the message: ‘reformail -D 8000 duplicate.cache‘ if ( $RETURNCODE == 0 )

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Jordan Brown
On 1/30/2018 1:33 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > So I'm curious how the Reply-To: being set to the same thing as the > From: causes any problems here. There are those who would consider it a problem if your mailing list is (mis:-)configured to add "Reply-To: " if there is no existing

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
To answer my own question, the one I got back from the list has the same message id that was sent out so a t least in this particular delivery chain nothing mangled it. In that case keeping a list of the N last delivered message ids and discarding ones already on the list shouldn't be too difficul

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Jordan Brown
On 1/30/2018 11:46 AM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > The more we discuss this and the longer that this thread goes on, > makes me think that this should be a user configurable action that the > MUA prompts the user for what they want to reply to in the ambiguous case. Even getting agreem

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
On 01/30/2018 03:27 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > About the only thing that I can think to do would be to have my LDA > deliver a copy of the post from the mailing list to a script that would > search the Inbox for messages with the same Message-ID and then > retroactively remove the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/29/2018 10:14 AM, Chip Davis wrote: I have a constant problem with well-meaning, but essentially ignorant, email users who, upon seeing a "Reply To:" field in their MUA's setup screen, dutifully fill it in with their email address. I too have seen people fill in the Reply-To in the MUA s

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/30/2018 01:43 PM, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: Dep. on your MDA setup, list replies could go to list folder and off-list copies: to main inbox. In which case I think that thunderbird plug-in would not work either, even if you still have both on disk. That's the exact scenario (save for the pred

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
On 01/30/2018 02:33 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > ...  I'm also > not aware of much that Thunderbird can do. There is/was a plug-in for finding duplicates. It only works if you have both, if you already deleted the off-list copy that's no different from what you get with procmail.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/26/2018 09:41 PM, Jordan Brown wrote: I was suggesting that one way to address that complaint would be for your mail client to detect the duplication and hide the duplicate copies. That sounds good in theory. But the practice that I'm exposed to doesn't work out well. I usually receiv

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/28/2018 09:40 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: OK. But I'm not saying "always." I'm saying that this would DTRT for me a very large proportion of the time, and for AOLers, about 100% of the time to 6 sigmas. I think that's a question of corpus. DTRT for you is different from DTRT for m

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
On 2018-01-29 23:51, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: ... [ Reply-To ] should have a checkbox "same as my From address." Oh, great, now I'll rreecceeiivvee eevveerryytthhiinngg ttwwiiccee.. Dima -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-30 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/29/2018 11:01 PM, Jordan Brown wrote: > > So for the general case where you might have gotten a message directly, > and through list A, and through list B, the result is random unless you > pay careful attention to how you got this particular copy of the message. If you received the messag

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-29 Thread Jordan Brown
On 1/29/2018 9:56 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > (And that's another of the key items:  the "Reply-To: " > > configuration makes it *difficult* to reply to the author, and that > > seems just plain rude.) > > Why? Nobody is talking about taking away anybody's Reply-To-Author > function, and

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jordan Brown writes: > make everybody happy That's a longer way of expressing "right." I'm *still* not interested in that. > I can only hope that whatever standards develop make both "reply to > author" and "reply to all" convenient. No MUA is going to remove either of those functions. >

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jordan Brown writes: > You were complaining that in some list configurations you will tend to > get multiple copies of a message - one directly to you, and one via the > list. > > I was suggesting that one way to address that complaint would be for > your mail client to detect the duplicati

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Chip Davis writes: > I have a constant problem with well-meaning, but essentially > ignorant, email users who, upon seeing a "Reply To:" field in their > MUA's setup screen, dutifully fill it in with their email address. > Then they complain that even though they "replied to the list", > thei

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-29 Thread Jordan Brown
On 1/28/2018 8:40 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > I believe that many users think > of mailing lists as fundamentally different from personal email, and > they would like their MUAs to distinguish automatically. This > algorithm, I believe, would do a pretty good job of that. This particular us

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-29 Thread Chip Davis
Apologies for mangling my description of the problem. The senders with the hard-coded "Reply-To:" are not the ones complaining that their emails aren't going to the list, it's those who thought they replied to the list who complain that it went as a private message back to the OP. IMHO, all

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-29 Thread Chip Davis
I am loathe to weigh in on this architectural design discussion, but it seems to ignore the PEBCAK effect. I admin about a dozen _discussion_ Mailman lists as a mitzvah for various organizations I'm fond of, none of which are well-populated with computer scientists. Exhibit A is the number of

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jordan Brown writes: > I want "Reply" to go to the author, and "Reply All" to go to the author, > the list, and any other To or CC destinations.  I simply can't > understand any other answer.  I don't understand why anybody feels a > need for "Reply List". Your preference is noted, but you ar

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users writes: > On 01/24/2018 01:50 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > 2. Else if there is a List-Post, address the message to List-Post. > > I don't think that it's appropriate to always prefer the List-Post over > the From ~> Reply-To. OK. But I'm not saying "a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-26 Thread Jordan Brown
On 1/24/2018 9:19 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > I understand your logic.  It seems reasonable enough.  I still > disagree with it.  -  By the way the sun is purple.  ;-)  We can agree > to disagree. I think that's probably the end result :-) >> And yes, those are all very real cases

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-25 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
On 2018-01-24 02:50, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I'd appreciate if those who have strong opinions on this would take a look at the analysis below and tell me if I'm missing something. While I don't have a strong opinion, getting two copes of the same message (usual "reply all") behaviour is sub

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-24 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/24/2018 09:16 PM, Jordan Brown wrote: I don't understand this statement. Or, I don't understand how it disagrees with what I said. I don't really care whether the MUA has a "Reply List" button that does something list-specific. "Reply" should go to the author; "Reply All" should go to

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-24 Thread Jordan Brown
On 1/24/2018 4:48 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > On 01/24/2018 10:40 AM, Jordan Brown wrote: >> If a message had only List-Post and From, that wouldn't get the >> result that I would want.  I would want Reply to go to the author. As >> a list member, I consider it an absolute requireme

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-24 Thread Jordan Brown
On 1/24/2018 12:50 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > I think there's an obvious algorithm for "smart single reply": > > 1. If there is a Reply-To, address the message to Reply-To. > 2. Else if there is a List-Post, address the message to List-Post. > 3. Else address the message to From. (If ther

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-24 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/24/2018 10:40 AM, Jordan Brown wrote: On 1/24/2018 12:50 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I think there's an obvious algorithm for "smart single reply": 1. If there is a Reply-To, address the message to Reply-To. 2. Else if there is a List-Post, address the message to List-Post. 3. Else

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-24 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/24/2018 01:50 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I'd appreciate if those who have strong opinions on this would take a look at the analysis below and tell me if I'm missing something. If not, maybe I'll write up a BCP (non-standards-track RFC[1]) so it's on record. See my comments inline be

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-24 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
I'd appreciate if those who have strong opinions on this would take a look at the analysis below and tell me if I'm missing something. If not, maybe I'll write up a BCP (non-standards-track RFC[1]) so it's on record. This proposal actually has a history going back to about 2005. I didn't do anyt

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
On 01/22/2018 04:55 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Its worse than that: what about people who intentionally set the Reply > To header on *non-mailing list* emails? Then you won't get the "reply list" option in the first place. In the basic reply-to case, the mailer *should* -- as defined by moder

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/22/2018 03:55 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Its worse than that: what about people who intentionally set the Reply To header on non-mailing list emails? I believe the new behavior is only triggered when the Reply-To: and List-Post: headers match. I guess that might be a problem if the mai

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 11:41:28AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 01/22/2018 11:20 AM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > > > > So, I think Thunderbird's new default is going to cause messages to go > > back to the author, ignoring the Reply-To. > > That's correct. > > > I can see how this

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/22/2018 12:10 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > > Wow.  How could the Thunderbird developers even fathom to introduce an > RFC compliant dictated behavior /without/ giving an option to revert. There is a long history behind this and I agree that T'bird has not always made good de

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/22/2018 12:41 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: That's correct. *chuckle* I guess this is one time when munging the From for DMARC reasons may help ensure that messages do go back to the list. The T'bird developers view is that in these cases, you are offered a "Reply List" button and therefore

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/22/2018 11:20 AM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > > So, I think Thunderbird's new default is going to cause messages to go > back to the author, ignoring the Reply-To. That's correct. > I can see how this could be annoying as a message author who wants > messages to be directed t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/22/2018 12:17 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: My bad. I was confused. In my answer above, "False" should be "True" and vice versa. ;-) -- Grant. . . . unix || die -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/22/2018 10:37 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: With the default mail.override_list_reply_to = False, for a message with a List-Post: header and with the list posting address also in a Reply-To: header, T'bird will ignore the Reply-To: header and address a "Reply" to the From: address. Setting mai

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/22/2018 10:58 AM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > On 01/22/2018 10:37 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> With the default mail.override_list_reply_to = False, for a message >> with a List-Post: header and with the list posting address also in a >> Reply-To: header, T'bird will ignore the Reply

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Hal via Mailman-Users
On 22/01/18 18:24, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: Will someone please enlighten me on how mail.override_list_reply_to behaves when set to true (the default) vs false? If set to TRUE (the default value) replies will go directly to the sender of the message. If set to FALSE, replies wi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/22/2018 10:37 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: With the default mail.override_list_reply_to = False, for a message with a List-Post: header and with the list posting address also in a Reply-To: header, T'bird will ignore the Reply-To: header and address a "Reply" to the From: address. Setting mai

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/22/2018 09:24 AM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > > Will someone please enlighten me on how mail.override_list_reply_to > behaves when set to true (the default) vs false? With the default mail.override_list_reply_to = False, for a message with a List-Post: header and with the list

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users
On 01/20/2018 12:05 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: What actually happens with "reply" depends on a few things. If the mail client involved is Thunderbird, it doesn't behave as expected. See . In short, in recent T'bird if the message has a List-Post

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/22/2018 04:01 AM, Hal via Mailman-Users wrote: > > Apart from Thunderbird, are there other email apps which cause this issue? Thunderbird is the only MUA I'm aware of that does this. Their theory is since they offer a "Reply List" button, if you "Reply" you must want to reply to the sender

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-22 Thread Hal via Mailman-Users
On 20/01/18 20:05, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 01/20/2018 10:18 AM, Hal via Mailman-Users wrote: I'm a little confused about the "reply-to" setting as I was pretty sure I had set my list up so that all replies by default go back to the list, but for some reason a reply goes directly to the sender.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/20/2018 10:18 AM, Hal via Mailman-Users wrote: > I'm a little confused about the "reply-to" setting as I was pretty sure > I had set my list up so that all replies by default go back to the list, > but for some reason a reply goes directly to the sender. If you set "reply_goes_to_list" to "

[Mailman-Users] Reply-to options not working

2018-01-20 Thread Hal via Mailman-Users
I'm a little confused about the "reply-to" setting as I was pretty sure I had set my list up so that all replies by default go back to the list, but for some reason a reply goes directly to the sender. I had "reply_goes_to_list" set to "this list" along with the list's posting address set for

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header

2016-01-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/14/2016 11:58 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: > > Sorry, I guess I should not have put it in quotes. That title is not at > all clear to me that it means the domain name (not host name) for > replying email. I had that set to my email domain (bellsouth.net). > Changing it to the reply email domain (

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header

2016-01-14 Thread Dennis Putnam
On 1/14/2016 1:38 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 01/14/2016 04:02 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: >> Got it. I guess the "Preferred Hostname" in the settings is somewhat of >> a misnomer. It is really the preferred email hostname. > > Where are you seeing "Preferred Hostname"? > > Mailman's General Options p

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header

2016-01-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/14/2016 04:02 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: > > Got it. I guess the "Preferred Hostname" in the settings is somewhat of > a misnomer. It is really the preferred email hostname. Where are you seeing "Preferred Hostname"? Mailman's General Options page says Host name this list prefers for email.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header

2016-01-14 Thread Dennis Putnam
On 1/10/2016 6:34 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 01/10/2016 03:07 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote: >> Google is back up. I guess I was wrong in my original assessment. The >> headers are indeed there including List-Post. The reply to list button >> is displayed (I don't know why I sometimes don't get that but

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header

2016-01-10 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/10/2016 03:07 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote: >> > Google is back up. I guess I was wrong in my original assessment. The > headers are indeed there including List-Post. The reply to list button > is displayed (I don't know why I sometimes don't get that but I will > have to look closer next time it

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header

2016-01-10 Thread Dennis Putnam
On 1/10/2016 1:57 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 01/10/2016 06:29 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: >> On 1/9/2016 4:43 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> Are there other Mailman headers such as X-BeenThere: and >>> X-Mailman-Version: in the messages? >>> >>> Do you have any local modifications to Mailman/Handlers/Coo

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header

2016-01-10 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/10/2016 06:29 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: > On 1/9/2016 4:43 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> Are there other Mailman headers such as X-BeenThere: and >> X-Mailman-Version: in the messages? >> >> Do you have any local modifications to Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py? >> >> How do messages get from M

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header

2016-01-10 Thread Dennis Putnam
On 1/9/2016 4:43 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 01/09/2016 01:10 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote: >> Thanks for the reply. Those options are and apparently always have been >> on. But none of those headers show up. I wonder if an SMTP server >> somewhere along the way is stripping them out for some reason. >

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header

2016-01-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/09/2016 01:10 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote: >> > Thanks for the reply. Those options are and apparently always have been > on. But none of those headers show up. I wonder if an SMTP server > somewhere along the way is stripping them out for some reason. Are there other Mailman headers such as X-

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header

2016-01-09 Thread Dennis Putnam
On 1/9/2016 1:36 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 01/09/2016 06:14 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: >> On some mailman lists I receive messages in which Thunderbird displays a >> "Reply to List" button. However, on my own lists that does not happen. >> What header is TB relying on to get that and what setting d

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header

2016-01-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 01/09/2016 06:14 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: > On some mailman lists I receive messages in which Thunderbird displays a > "Reply to List" button. However, on my own lists that does not happen. > What header is TB relying on to get that and what setting do I need to > change my mailman for that to h

[Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header

2016-01-09 Thread Dennis Putnam
On some mailman lists I receive messages in which Thunderbird displays a "Reply to List" button. However, on my own lists that does not happen. What header is TB relying on to get that and what setting do I need to change my mailman for that to happen? TIA. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP dig

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list out of control...

2014-11-11 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes: > Look at the messages received from the list. If this is Mailman 2.1.18-1 > and dmarc_moderation_action and/or from_is_list is Munge From and > reply_goes_to_list is Poster, there should be a Reply-To: header with > the original poster's address. I suspect the OP's list h

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply to list out of control...

2014-11-11 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 11/10/2014 07:15 AM, Dentar99 wrote: > So, I had lots of problems with Yahoo users on my lists. I did the research > and > the upgrade, and it fixed the hell outta that... Did you upgrade to Mailman 2.1.18-1? > BUT... Now my users (as well as myself) are getting an issue where hitting > R

[Mailman-Users] Reply to list out of control...

2014-11-11 Thread Dentar99
So, I had lots of problems with Yahoo users on my lists. I did the research and the upgrade, and it fixed the hell outta that... BUT... Now my users (as well as myself) are getting an issue where hitting Reply (regular reply, not reply all) are getting the list AND the original sender. I've trie

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To Munging - Feature Request

2014-05-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/08/2014 02:34 PM, Dave Nathanson wrote: > > AFTER DEMARC, using the best settings for us that we can: > > FROM: Author_Name via ListName > TO: ListName > REPLY-TO: ListName > > This is *pretty good* except that > * I don't like the "via list name" in the from header, even though I > u

[Mailman-Users] Reply-To Munging - Feature Request

2014-05-09 Thread Dave Nathanson
I appreciate that the MailMan team is awesome & doing the best that can be expected given the new DMARC restrictions being forced on us all. Thanks guys! FEATURE REQUEST: A setting to configure the new "From" line. Instead of FROM: Author_Name via ListName I want to request that MailMan let

[Mailman-Users] Reply-to and subscribing

2012-11-28 Thread dries annaert
I've setup the dreamhost implementation of mailman succesfully but I'm facing a problem with the subscriptions. What I want to try is to manage (un-)subscriptions through a drupal website where (if the name of the list is checked) a mail is being sent to the list-join address of the list. However,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to and subscribing

2012-11-28 Thread dries annaert
Nevermind, I think I can get out of this problem with the list-request and sending the address as a command :) Sorry for the inconvenience. Best regards, Dries 2012/11/28 dries annaert > I've setup the dreamhost implementation of mailman succesfully but I'm > facing a problem with the subscr

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply to sender and list

2010-09-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
>The last chance is to patch the sources, modifying the Header Cooker, I >already tried, but is unclear how it works and I just obtained a mess ;) The attached patch to CookHeaders.py will do what you want. With the patch, if the list's first_strip_reply_to is No and the original post does not co

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply to sender and list

2010-09-16 Thread Mark Sapiro
Michele Bonera wrote: > >What happens is that there is often someone that forget to use the >reply-to-all and reply just to the sender. > >Is there a way to configure mailman to set the reply to the sender and >to the mailinglist together? No. What you apparently want is for Mailman to insert a R

[Mailman-Users] Reply to sender and list

2010-09-16 Thread Michele Bonera
Hi. I have a particular ml, used by our team to manage the info requests that arrive to i...@ourdomain.tld Actually the ml is configured to set the reply-to to the sender, so you have to reply using reply-to-all button in the mua to forward the reply to the list too, informing the others that you

Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply to problem

2010-06-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
Gerard Mensoif wrote: > >I'm running mailman 2.1.11 (debian Stable), and even if I set >"reply_goes_to_list" to the value "poster" when I reply the mail gets to the >list. This might be because I have l...@mydomain.com redirected to >list.mydomain@lists.provider.com, but If I post directly t

[Mailman-Users] Reply to problem

2010-06-14 Thread Gerard Mensoif
Hi, I'm running mailman 2.1.11 (debian Stable), and even if I set "reply_goes_to_list" to the value "poster" when I reply the mail gets to the list. This might be because I have l...@mydomain.com redirected to list.mydomain@lists.provider.com, but If I post directly to list.mydomain@l

Re: [Mailman-Users] reply-to thread

2010-04-03 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 4/3/2010 6:48 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 4/3/2010 6:12 PM, John wrote: >> With this setting both the >> non-digest and digest show "from" as the list not the original sender >> (in Outlook or MS mail, don't know about others). Sorry. I totally missed the "non-digest" above. The non-digest mai

Re: [Mailman-Users] reply-to thread

2010-04-03 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 4/3/2010 6:12 PM, John wrote: > I want to thank Mark and Steven for their reply's. Steven I do > believe this may be an Outlook issue, but to clear up my post for > Mark here's further explanation. I currently have reply_goes_to "the > list" and strip_reply_to set to "no". With this setting b

[Mailman-Users] reply-to thread

2010-04-03 Thread John
I want to thank Mark and Steven for their reply's. Steven I do believe this may be an Outlook issue, but to clear up my post for Mark here's further explanation. I currently have reply_goes_to "the list" and strip_reply_to set to "no". With this setting both the non-digest and digest show "fr

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