Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners

2007-10-03 Thread Gary Spivey
an-Users] Preventing spam to list owners On Sunday, September 30, 2007, 12:30:44 AM, Gary Spivey wrote: GS> My lists are locked down to only allow posts from members, so my GS> members are not getting any [spam]. However, as list owner, every GS> one of my lists is getting a large amount o

Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners

2007-10-01 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: > If I had mentioned a book that I wrote or co-authored, or a book that > I had been technical reviewer of (e.g., 2nd editions of the O'Reilly > books _DNS & BIND_ and _sendmail_) and I provided a link to the > publishers web page for the book, would you have done anyth

Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners

2007-10-01 Thread Brad Knowles
On 10/1/07, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > You may not call that proprietary, but that's precisely the definition > of "proprietary" that one arrives at when observing the behavior of > non-profit organizations like the IEEE and the ISO. They are a publisher. They publish a series of booklets,

Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners

2007-10-01 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: > giving them some reasonable protection against loss of revenue due > to the material being freely available in an electronic form. You may not call that proprietary, but that's precisely the definition of "proprietary" that one arrives at when observing the behavior of no

Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners

2007-10-01 Thread Brad Knowles
On 10/1/07, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Well, since it's proprietary material, I'm unlikely to be in a > position to evaluate biases soon. I guess I'll just have to take your > word for it! ;-) It's not what I would call proprietary. USENIX and SAGE are charging money for the booklet, in

Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners

2007-09-30 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: > On 10/1/07, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > If (3) interests you, I can go into more detail about my solution, but > > I gotta run right now. > > BTW, #1 and #2 are also issues for e-mail to Postmaster, which is > covered in the SAGE Booklet "Internet Postmaster

Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners

2007-09-30 Thread Brad Knowles
On 9/30/07, Robert Braver wrote: > Wholesale bouncing of list mail to non-subscribers is totally > unacceptable due to the amount of outscatter this will cause. (see > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backscatter#Backscatter_of_email_spam ) Mailman is pretty resistant to generating backscatter. Y

Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners

2007-09-30 Thread Brad Knowles
On 10/1/07, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > If (3) interests you, I can go into more detail about my solution, but > I gotta run right now. BTW, #1 and #2 are also issues for e-mail to Postmaster, which is covered in the SAGE Booklet "Internet Postmaster: Duties and Responsibilities" (see

Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners

2007-09-30 Thread Brad Knowles
On 9/30/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I use spamassassin with a pretty low threshold, but there is so much > volume that the 5% that gets through is a bunch. I wish I had a better > solution. There are an infinite variety of "solutions" to the "spam problem", and the problem is that what solves th

Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners

2007-09-30 Thread Robert Braver
On Sunday, September 30, 2007, 12:30:44 AM, Gary Spivey wrote: GS> My lists are locked down to only allow posts from members, so my GS> members are not getting any [spam]. However, as list owner, every GS> one of my lists is getting a large amount of [spam] - generally GS> sent to the listname-own

[Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners

2007-09-30 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Gary Spivey writes: > former, does somebody have a recommended way to stop them? I have a SPAM > filter running on my end system, but I am just tired of the constant > flow of SPAM. There's no recommended way. As Mark says, only a choice of evils. The basic problem that we face is that email

Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners

2007-09-30 Thread Mark Sapiro
Gary Spivey wrote: >My lists are locked down to only allow posts from members, so my members >are not getting any SPAM. However, as list owner, every one of my lists >is getting a large amount of SPAM - generally sent to the listname-owner >or to mailman-owner. My maillog entry looks like this: >

Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners

2007-09-30 Thread Dennis Morgan
The way I approached this was I sort of built a new front end. (Thank you Mark for your help!) Instead of people starting at the default Mailman 'advertised lists" page I sent everyone here: http://e-aa.org/maillist.html I created new lists and moved all the subscribers. I edited the HTML in t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners

2007-09-30 Thread Brad Knowles
On 9/29/07, Gary Spivey wrote: > Does anyone know how to best stop these? Are these SPAM's coming from > the outside direct to the e-mail address, or are they somehow going > through mailman? If the latter, can I stop it in mailman somehow? If the > former, does somebody have a recommended way

[Mailman-Users] Preventing spam to list owners

2007-09-29 Thread Gary Spivey
My lists are locked down to only allow posts from members, so my members are not getting any SPAM. However, as list owner, every one of my lists is getting a large amount of SPAM - generally sent to the listname-owner or to mailman-owner. My maillog entry looks like this: Sep 23 10:39:34 hostna