[Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-16 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jim Ziobro writes: > Indeed email is not a synchronous messaging channel.  But most > email clients will sort incoming messages by header Date thus undo > the effects of out-of-order delivery. That's mostly true. However, traditionally the first retry was set for 4 hours after the initial sen

Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 9/14/19 7:23 PM, Veronica Morris wrote: > Here is what it says: ...> If you are a current customer of DreamHost, please contact our > technical support team here > > https://panel.dreamhost.com/support You could try this contact with this specific issue. > mailaddressredac...@hotmail.com>:

Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-14 Thread Veronica Morris
Here is what it says: Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender This is the mail system at host pdx1-mailman02.dreamhost.com. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. If you are a current customer of DreamHost, pl

Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 9/14/19 6:33 PM, Veronica Morris wrote: > Ugh, now all hotmail users are being unsubbed because of bounce action. If you have Bounce processing -> bounce_notify_owner_on_disable set to Yes, the disabled notice will contain a copy of the bounce notification from Hotmail. What does it say? --

Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-14 Thread Veronica Morris
Ugh, now all hotmail users are being unsubbed because of bounce action. I'm guessing this may be related to the problem of delayed messages for gmail users? I contacted hotmail as suggested in the help for mailman. Didn't know dreamhost could be doing more! If what they did doesn't fix the probl

[Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-13 Thread Jim Ziobro
Indeed email is not a synchronous messaging channel.  But most email clients will sort incoming messages by header Date thus undo the effects of out-of-order delivery.  Even if you send out two messages in a row to j...@gmail.com there is no guarantee that both messages go to the same machine.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 9/13/19 5:32 PM, Veronica Morris wrote: > Thanks all for the help! I submitted a ticket with DreamHost, and below is > their reply. I am hoping it makes a difference! It's typical of Nightmare er.. Dream Host. > Hello Veronica, > > Thanks for contacting DreamHost! > > Looking into this f

Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-13 Thread Veronica Morris
Thanks all for the help! I submitted a ticket with DreamHost, and below is their reply. I am hoping it makes a difference! Hello Veronica, Thanks for contacting DreamHost! Looking into this for you, it looks like Google is rate-limiting the emails, due to the emails not being authenticated (du

Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-13 Thread Russell Clemings
yed (Carl Zwanzig) >4. Re: Messages delivered out of order and delayed (Mark Sapiro) >5. Re: Messages delivered out of order and delayed (Brian Carpenter) > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Veronica Morris > To: mailman-users@python.org > Cc:

Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-13 Thread Veronica Morris
Thanks! I have not called them yet. We are a small nonprofit, and my husband handles all the contacts with dreamhost. I have asked him to contact them. Neither of us has much computer experience as you can probably tell :) Veronica Morris PhD and Hestia SD (Japanese Chin) Partnered wit

Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-13 Thread Brian Carpenter
Veronica Morris Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 10:00 AM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed I run an active discussion group. Messages come and go from people all hours of the day. For the past few months, we've noticed that mes

Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-13 Thread Carl Zwanzig
On 9/13/2019 9:50 AM, Veronica Morris wrote: How do I see mail logs? You need to talk with Dreamhost to get them, but they should be able to assist with the problem. Have you called them? Later, z! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Us

Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-13 Thread Brian Carpenter
.com> From: Veronica Morris mailto:veronica.m.p...@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 12:35 PM To: Brian Carpenter mailto:br...@emwd.com> > Cc: mailman-users@python.org <mailto:mailman-users@python.org> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order

Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-13 Thread Veronica Morris
day, September 13, 2019 12:35 PM > *To:* Brian Carpenter > *Cc:* mailman-users@python.org > *Subject:* Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed > > > > I am using dreamhost. > > > > Almost all of the people on the listserv use gmail. I have as

Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-13 Thread Brian Carpenter
! Brian Carpenter EMWD.com br...@emwd.com From: Veronica Morris Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 12:35 PM To: Brian Carpenter Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed I am using dreamhost. Almost all of the people on the

Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 9/13/19 6:59 AM, Veronica Morris wrote: > I run an active discussion group. Messages come and go from people all > hours of the day. > > For the past few months, we've noticed that messages are arriving out of > order, and sometimes are delayed by hours or even a day! > > The kicker is that t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-13 Thread Carl Zwanzig
On 9/13/2019 6:59 AM, Veronica Morris wrote: For the past few months, we've noticed that messages are arriving out of order, and sometimes are delayed by hours or even a day! Please remember that email is not a "real time" communication system; might look like it sometimes, but it's always "st

Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-13 Thread Veronica Morris
s that are experiencing the longest > delays. > > Have a great day! > > Brian Carpenter > EMWD.com > br...@emwd.com > > -Original Message- > From: Mailman-Users On > Behalf Of Veronica Morris > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 10:00 AM > To: mailman-use

[Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed

2019-09-13 Thread Veronica Morris
I run an active discussion group. Messages come and go from people all hours of the day. For the past few months, we've noticed that messages are arriving out of order, and sometimes are delayed by hours or even a day! The kicker is that the delivery issues are not the same for everyone. Some p