Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

Brad Knowles writes: > However, I am starting to wonder if this kind of stuff going away > is not part of an overall effort to dumb-down OS X so that it can > be unified with iOS. Could be, but in that case I would expect that their strategy is to completely eliminate server support, and try t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

On Aug 20, 2012, at 10:56 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> More importantly, it would be much less difficult for us to support >> that part of the community, which would help reduce the support >> burden that Apple has to maintain. > > C'mon, Brad, it's *annoying* to have to support that part o

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

Brad Knowles writes: > On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:03 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > >> Which is probably why they are so very violently opposed to having > >> any GPL-encumbered code anywhere in the company. > > > > GCC? gdb? binutils? Make? CUPS? Mailman? > > Gcc & gdb are gone --

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

Brad Knowles writes: > More importantly, it would be much less difficult for us to support > that part of the community, which would help reduce the support > burden that Apple has to maintain. C'mon, Brad, it's *annoying* to have to support that part of the community, but it's never been diff

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:03 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> Which is probably why they are so very violently opposed to having >> any GPL-encumbered code anywhere in the company. > > GCC? gdb? binutils? Make? CUPS? Mailman? And that's just the > applications I know of in the Mac OS X distri

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

David Dodell wrote: > >(1) First issue is cosmetic.At the bottom of each administrative page, >mailman does not display the icons which I see on ever other mailman website >... basically the mailman / python logos. Not a real big deal, besides the >cosmetic irk. I've checked the docs, fo

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

Brad Knowles writes: > > Doesn't their failure to do so violate the GPL? > > In this respect, I believe that they are probably in violation of > the spirit of the GPL, but perhaps not in the letter of the law. RMS is adamantly opposed to that interpretation of the "spirit of the GPL," and ha

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 21:39 +0300, Geoff Shang wrote: > On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, Brad Knowles wrote: > > > I've got a copy of Mountain Lion server (it's only $20), and the code in > > question is Python, so it has to be shipped as source. So, if we want > > their changes, it's easy enough to get th

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, Brad Knowles wrote: I've got a copy of Mountain Lion server (it's only $20), and the code in question is Python, so it has to be shipped as source. So, if we want their changes, it's easy enough to get them. Actually, it doesn't have to be shipped as source. They could

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > It's failure to provide source code to paying customers (even if the > price was zero) that violates the GPL. If one of us is willing to buy > a server system and demand source code, they either cough up or they > suffer a rerun of the O

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > My guess is that they don't put their top-flight people on either server > development or server support. I believe that they do have high quality people working on the development side, I think the issue is more on the support side. And th

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

Lindsay Haisley writes: > > but if they're going to make modifications to it, they need to share > > those modifications back with us > > Doesn't their failure to do so violate the GPL? No. The GPL requires that you grant certain rights to use of your code to downstream recipients, not that

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

On Sun, 2012-08-19 at 22:33 -0500, Brad Knowles wrote: > Regretfully, the Server team at Apple is well known for ignoring > feedback and input from anyone else, especially anyone else in the > company. My guess is that they don't put their top-flight people on either server development or server s

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

Am 20.08.2012 um 12:33 schrieb Brad Knowles: > On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > >> There are lots of mailing lists available. Mailman is only one of them. >> Apple no doubt supports _a_ mailing list, but as Apple Enterprise >> Support says, one can seldom expect support fr

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: > There are lots of mailing lists available. Mailman is only one of them. > Apple no doubt supports _a_ mailing list, but as Apple Enterprise > Support says, one can seldom expect support from a proprietary software > vendor for software which

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

On Sun, 2012-08-19 at 12:22 +0900, Matthias Schmidt wrote: > Am 13.08.2012 um 00:25 schrieb David Dodell: > > > This list is my last hope on getting my problems fixed. > > > > I am running OSX Lion (not Mountain Lion). Mailman was part of > > the default installation. > > > > I have two iss

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

Am 13.08.2012 um 00:25 schrieb David Dodell: > This list is my last hope on getting my problems fixed. > > I am running OSX Lion (not Mountain Lion). Mailman was part of the > default installation. > > I have two issues which I have gotten absolutely no help from Apple > Enterprise Suppo

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

Am 20.08.2012 um 01:00 schrieb David Dodell: >> where is apache looking for the icons. >> I think I read on the OS X Server List that the icons are on a different >> place than they should be. > > > This problem has been fixed. Strangely enough, found where apache was > looking for the icon

[Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems under OSX Lion

This list is my last hope on getting my problems fixed. I am running OSX Lion (not Mountain Lion). Mailman was part of the default installation. I have two issues which I have gotten absolutely no help from Apple Enterprise Support ... basic answer, we don't support open source software an

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems - Serious

Ahh, this is very useful. I will try this setting and see how it works. Thanks. From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 10/10/2006 11:31 PM To: Joyce, Wesley K.; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems - Serious

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems - Serious

Joyce, Wesley K. wrote: > >Yes I do, but am I correct in thinking the bounce processing isn't going to >happen because postfix is killing the session from mailman before it completes? I suspect you are correct in this. It depends on what SMTPDirect sees in the return from the SMTP transaction, b

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems - Serious

PM To: Joyce, Wesley K.; mailman-users@python.org Subject: RE: [SPAM] - Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems - Serious - Found word(s) list error in the Text body Joyce, Wesley K. wrote: > >Adding this debuglevel immediatly revealed some useful information. > >Postfix is returning '4

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems - Serious

: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems - Serious Joyce, Wesley K. wrote: >I am getting concerned about the stability of mailman. About 3 weeks ago I >encountered the bug that required I change Bouncer.py line. >time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', day + (0,)*6)) to time.strftime('%d-%b-%

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems - Serious

Joyce, Wesley K. wrote: >I am getting concerned about the stability of mailman. About 3 weeks ago I >encountered the bug that required I change Bouncer.py line. >time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', day + (0,)*6)) to time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', day + >(0,0,0,0,1,0))). > >Since then, I have started encounte

[Mailman-Users] Mailman Problems - Serious

I am getting concerned about the stability of mailman. About 3 weeks ago I encountered the bug that required I change Bouncer.py line. time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', day + (0,)*6)) to time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', day + (0,0,0,0,1,0))). Since then, I have started encountering errors like this Oct 10 2

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman problems

Jeffrey D. Means wrote: >I am having problems getting mailman to run with qmail. I have at this >point proven to myself so that I believe it is a problem either in the >mailman config or who mailman is running as (permissions problem). > >When I post to a list I created I get a message back sayin

[Mailman-Users] mailman problems

I am having problems getting mailman to run with qmail. I have at this point proven to myself so that I believe it is a problem either in the mailman config or who mailman is running as (permissions problem). When I post to a list I created I get a message back saying I need to visit the web site

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problems

VerenigdeStaten.Info wrote: > >We are running for several years a mailing list on www.verenigdestaten.info, >Since november 7 mailman is recieving bounces from many email adresses. At >this time 80% of our subscribers are bounced and disabled from the list. The >bounced adresses are from several

[Mailman-Users] Mailman problems

Hi all, We are running for several years a mailing list on www.verenigdestaten.info, Since november 7 mailman is recieving bounces from many email adresses. At this time 80% of our subscribers are bounced and disabled from the list. The bounced adresses are from several providers and the are, i

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman problems (Mac OSX Server 10.4.1)

At 12:32 AM +0100 2005-07-08, Morgan R. Tamplin wrote: > I'm having an odd problem with trying to set up mailman in 10.4.1 > Server. It won't. Please see . > All entries in the Server Admin Mailing lists window di

[Mailman-Users] mailman problems (Mac OSX Server 10.4.1)

Hello, I'm having an odd problem with trying to set up mailman in 10.4.1 Server. It won't. All entries in the Server Admin Mailing lists window disappear when I press save. This happens whether or not Mail service is running. This happens for the initial Mailman list and all others I try

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problems

D Umesh wrote: > >Mailman is running on SLES 8 (Kernel - 2.4.21-231-smp #1), >Sendmail-8.12.6-159, mailman-2.0.14-18, python-2.2.1-68 >Regards >Umesh > Sythos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/05/05 11:43 am >>> >On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 05:39:57AM -0600, D Umesh wrote: >>We are using mailman, but when

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problems

Hi Mailman is running on SLES 8 (Kernel - 2.4.21-231-smp #1), Sendmail-8.12.6-159, mailman-2.0.14-18, python-2.2.1-68 Regards Umesh >>>Sythos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/05/05 11:43 am >>> On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 05:39:57AM -0600, D Umesh wrote: >We are using mailman, but whenever a user sends a

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problems

On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 05:39:57AM -0600, D Umesh wrote: > We are using mailman, but whenever a user sends a mail the mailing > lists, the mails are not getting delivered immediately, sometime it > takes 5min, a week. Can any one please let me know the configuration > changes to be done so that ma

[Mailman-Users] Mailman problems

Hi All We are using mailman, but whenever a user sends a mail the mailing lists, the mails are not getting delivered immediately, sometime it takes 5min, a week. Can any one please let me know the configuration changes to be done so that mails get delivered fast. Thanks and Regards Umesh

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman problems

Hala Al haddad wrote: >I am using mailman software which is available in my web server (livehost.net) and am >facing some problems in the mailing lists I wonder if you can solve it for me : >first can I remove the from line from the msg which is sending to the list members >because its coming no

[Mailman-Users] mailman problems

Hi, I am using mailman software which is available in my web server (livehost.net) and am facing some problems in the mailing lists I wonder if you can solve it for me : first can I remove the from line from the msg which is sending to the list members because its coming now with full details (i.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problems with Python?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Parker, David K wrote: > I'm getting errors running all Mailman commands after upgrading to 2.1-1. > I'm beginning to think its related to my Python install. I was checking the > program requirementsand was told to run "python -V" to check the version.

[Mailman-Users] Mailman problems with Python?

I'm getting errors running all Mailman commands after upgrading to 2.1-1. I'm beginning to think its related to my Python install. I was checking the program requirementsand was told to run "python -V" to check the version. I get an "unkown option" response. Rpm tells me that I have versions 1.5x a