Greg Lindahl wrote:
> Since these issues are common to different mailing list managers, is
> there a website that contains this kind of info? If not, should we
> make one and advertise it to other mailing list communities?
I don't know about a website, but there is a mailing list (with
archive
FYI, it turns out that the biggest reason Yahoo was hoding up my
emails was that my reverse DNS and the name of my mail server didn't
look enough alike. When I changed them to be the same, my backlog
quickly cleared.
I also have a backlog with verizon.net, see
http://blog.kloppmagic.ca/archives/2
At 11:59 AM -0300 2006-03-04, Oliver Schulze L. wrote:
> BTW, there are many RFE that are not asigned, is that normal?
That may just mean that no one has gone in recently and assigned
them. There are a limited number of people who are involved in this
process, and they may just not ha
Done:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1443069&group_id=103&atid=350103
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1219887&group_id=103&atid=350103
BTW, there are many RFE that are not asigned, is that normal?
Thanks
Oliver
Brad Knowles wrote:
> You coul
Good idea, will do ;)
Brad Knowles wrote:
> You could certainly go to the appropriate SourceForge page and
> check to see if this RFE is already on the system, and if not then you
> could file it yourself. But if the RFE isn't filed on SourceForge,
> then we really don't have a way to trac
At 11:08 AM -0800 2006-03-03, Harold Paulson wrote:
> ...for your resume first, and was suggesting a solution I thought was
> both useful, and more...correct.
You were saying that a non-existant magic mechanism should be
used for the MTA to know exactly how the MLM would react to a giv
On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 06:46:28AM -0500, Jonathan Dill wrote:
> For the sender, there is a very simple solution to "whitelist" his or
> her own e-mail addresses which I have used myself: subscribe the other
> e-mail address then set "Mail delivery" to "Disabled."
Or the admin can add these ad
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Brad,
> I've been specializing in Internet e-mail for over a decade, I was
> the comp.mail.sendmail FAQ maintainer for years, I was heavily
> involved in the postfix community from back when it was still being
> called VMailer, and I have
At 9:47 AM -0300 2006-03-03, Oliver Schulze L. wrote:
> It would be nice to have this feature:
> - if an email is marked as spam using "Spam Filter" in mailman,
> differ the email and: 1) do not sent the body of the email to
> the list owner, 2) do not reply to the sender
>
> Meaby this is a
It would be nice to have this feature:
- if an email is marked as spam using "Spam Filter" in mailman,
differ the email and: 1) do not sent the body of the email to
the list owner, 2) do not reply to the sender
Meaby this is a big feature request, but mailman does not play
very well with spam/viru
At 12:26 PM +0100 2006-03-03, Brad Knowles wrote:
>> I think the right solution is to reject junk, instead of accept-and-bounce.
>> I think accept-and-bounce is a blight on the internet, that lowers the
>> quality and reputation of email. I think it is a waste of resources.
>
> Fine.
Harold Paulson wrote:
> away. All of the normal posts would go right through. Members who
> send from the wrong account would get the usual Mailman notice.
> Occasionally wrong-account-posters would have to wait a long time on
> their notice.
>
For the sender, there is a very simple sol
At 2:55 PM -0800 2006-03-02, Harold Paulson wrote:
>> How could the MTA possibly know that the MLM would choose to reject
>> those messages because the sender is not a subscriber? Or that the
>> MLM might choose to hold those messages for moderation, because the
>> sender is not a subscri
> "Harold" == Harold Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Harold> The problem is that we are making net.messes by
Harold> automatically replying to junk. It would be nice to see a
Harold> general fix.
Well, there isn't one.[1] Take the case in point. Your solution is also
a hack
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Stephen,
On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:48 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>> "Harold" == Harold Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Harold> Do you really have a *policy* to accept messages that you
> Harold> will never deliver, save them to dis
> "Harold" == Harold Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Harold> Do you really have a *policy* to accept messages that you
Harold> will never deliver, save them to disk, and then generate
Harold> reject messages for them?
As I read his post, indeed he does. He wants legitimate po
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Brad,
>> Do you really have a *policy* to accept messages that you will never
>> deliver, save them to disk, and then generate reject messages for
>> them?
>
> How could the MTA possibly know that the MLM would choose to reject
> those messa
At 12:16 PM -0800 2006-03-02, Harold Paulson wrote:
> Do you really have a *policy* to accept messages that you will never
> deliver, save them to disk, and then generate reject messages for them?
How could the MTA possibly know that the MLM would choose to
reject those messages becaus
At 9:55 AM -0800 2006-03-02, Harold Paulson wrote:
>> Like most people who've been running mailing lists for 20+ years, I
>> have strong opinions about list policy. Please address the mechanism
>> I asked for instead of seeking to discuss the policy issues.
>
> You have a policy problem with y
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Greg,
>>> Like most people who've been running mailing lists for 20+ years, I
>>> have strong opinions about list policy. Please address the mechanism
>>> I asked for instead of seeking to discuss the policy issues.
>>
>> You have a policy problem wit
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Greg,
> Like most people who've been running mailing lists for 20+ years, I
> have strong opinions about list policy. Please address the mechanism
> I asked for instead of seeking to discuss the policy issues.
You have a policy problem with your MTA,
On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 08:39:55PM -0500, Jonathan Dill wrote:
> I find a lot of stuff by Googling "VS5-MF Excessive unknown recipients",
> apparently Yahoo may be doing something that is not RFC-compliant, so
> your MTA doesn't know that it should stop trying to resend the message:
Interesting
Greg Lindahl wrote:
> 7E7E824F81 634 Wed Mar 1 09:03:21 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (host mx3.mail.yahoo.com[67.28.113.10] said: 451 VS5-MF Excessive unknown
> recipients - possible Open Relay
> http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/spam/spam-18.html (#4.4.5) 205.217.153.43
> (in reply to MAIL FROM
On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 05:43:07PM -0500, Jonathan Dill wrote:
> Are you getting explicit REJECT messages from Yahoo! or some other error?
I'm getting 4XX frequently, and occasionally:
7E7E824F81 634 Wed Mar 1 09:03:21 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(host mx3.mail.yahoo.com[67.28.113.10] said: 451 VS5
On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 12:44:36AM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote:
> I think there may have been better ways to try to get people to
> focus on answering the technical question and get away from the
> policy issues, but it would also have helped if you had consulted the
> FAQ Wizard and the li
At 3:03 PM -0800 2006-03-01, Greg Lindahl wrote:
>> In all fairness, your comment about your years of
>> experience was the first rude thing.
>
> Ah, I see. So unsolicited and unwanted advice is OK, but explaining
> why my policy opinions are strongly held is rude? All I was aiming at
> was a
On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 04:04:07PM -0600, Patrick Bogen wrote:
> In all fairness, your comment about your years of
> experience was the first rude thing.
Ah, I see. So unsolicited and unwanted advice is OK, but explaining
why my policy opinions are strongly held is rude? All I was aiming at
was a
At 4:04 PM -0600 2006-03-01, Patrick Bogen wrote:
> Integrating spam detection into mailman is actually quite easy- once
> your MTA is configured for it.
That's one way to do it, yes. However, the FAQ does detail other
methods that can also be used, as well as MTA integration.
>
Are you getting explicit REJECT messages from Yahoo! or some other error?
For what it's worth, I think Yahoo may have changed something internally
lately, like their DNS MX records, you may want to check out what
address your MTA is trying to send the messages to and compare to dig or
nslookup
Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:57 PM - Greg wrote:
> > Why not disable those notification messages completely and discard the
> > incoming messages from nonmembers?
>
> Because I have a lot of users with several email addresses who forget
> which one they're subscribed as. I care about every posting.
At 4:34 PM -0500 2006-03-01, Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
>> Like most people who've been running mailing lists for 20+ years, I
>
> Funny, I would have guessed this was your first, comming from a marketing
> background with the selfishness you are showing.
Selfishness? I think you
At 12:52 PM -0800 2006-03-01, Dragon wrote:
> Why not disable those notification messages completely and discard the
> incoming messages from nonmembers?
>
> That is what I do on my lists.
>
> My reasoning behind this is that if there is any mail from a nonmember,
> 99.99% of the time it's a
At 12:57 PM -0800 3/1/06, Greg Lindahl wrote:
>On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 12:52:39PM -0800, Dragon wrote:
>
>> Why not disable those notification messages completely and discard the
>> incoming messages from nonmembers?
>
>Because I have a lot of users with several email addresses who forget
>which on
On 3/1/06, Greg Lindahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It doesn't seem that integrating spam detection is very easy,
> perhaps it should be made easier?
Integrating spam detection into mailman is actually quite easy- once
your MTA is configured for it. That is an MTA issue, not a mailman
issue. (If y
On 3/1/06, Greg Lindahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am new to this list, I didn't realize personal insults were so popular.
List policy seems to be a pretty touch subject around here, especially
when it comes to lists being configured to act as good citizens, as it
were.
Personally, I'm also o
On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 04:34:18PM -0500, Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Greg Lindahl wrote:
>
> > Like most people who've been running mailing lists for 20+ years, I
>
> Funny, I would have guessed this was your first, comming from a marketing
> background with the selfish
On 3/1/06, Patrick Bogen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/1/06, Christopher X. Candreva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Is there any way to suppress "you aren't a member" only for Yahoo
> > > senders?
Sorry, this should read 'Greg Lindhal <...> wrote:'
- Patrick Bogen
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On 3/1/06, Christopher X. Candreva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Is there any way to suppress "you aren't a member" only for Yahoo
> > senders?
Not that I know of- probably not without hacking the module that sends
them. However, Since SpamDetect is the first thing in the pipeline,
if you can con
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Greg Lindahl wrote:
> Like most people who've been running mailing lists for 20+ years, I
Funny, I would have guessed this was your first, comming from a marketing
background with the selfishness you are showing.
> have strong opinions about list policy. Please address the m
Like most people who've been running mailing lists for 20+ years, I
have strong opinions about list policy. Please address the mechanism
I asked for instead of seeking to discuss the policy issues.
-- greg
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On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Greg Lindahl wrote:
> Yahoo users. Well, that's because I get a lot of incoming spam from
> fake Yahoo accounts to my Mailman, and I have it configured to send
> back a "you aren't a member" message.
>
> Is there any way to suppress "you aren't a member" only for Yahoo
> sende
Greg Lindahl wrote:
>On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 12:52:39PM -0800, Dragon wrote:
>
> > Why not disable those notification messages completely and discard the
> > incoming messages from nonmembers?
>
>Because I have a lot of users with several email addresses who forget
>which one they're subscribed as.
On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 12:52:39PM -0800, Dragon wrote:
> Why not disable those notification messages completely and discard the
> incoming messages from nonmembers?
Because I have a lot of users with several email addresses who forget
which one they're subscribed as. I care about every posting.
Greg Lindahl wrote:
>Yahoo is delaying delivery of mail from my domain because I look like
>I'm spamming them -- my machine sends a lot of email to non-existent
>Yahoo users. Well, that's because I get a lot of incoming spam from
>fake Yahoo accounts to my Mailman, and I have it configured to send
Yahoo is delaying delivery of mail from my domain because I look like
I'm spamming them -- my machine sends a lot of email to non-existent
Yahoo users. Well, that's because I get a lot of incoming spam from
fake Yahoo accounts to my Mailman, and I have it configured to send
back a "you aren't a mem
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