Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-16 Thread Matthew Needham
Around a year ago we started using Exchange Online. In my experience, the undesired responses are correct. On May 16, 2014, at 09:13 AM, mail.ulticom.com wrote: > My management wants to replace our in-house email with an Exchange Online > (aka MS365) solution. Several high priced consultants

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-16 Thread mail.ulticom.com
> On May 16, 2014, at 5:49, "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > > Gary Algier writes: > >> I ran some tests this morning. I created an Exchange distribution list here >> and added myself five ways on the list: >> 1. On our Exchange server (how I receive internal emails) >> 2. On a local Linux serv

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-16 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Gary Algier writes: > I ran some tests this morning. I created an Exchange distribution list here > and added myself five ways on the list: > 1. On our Exchange server (how I receive internal emails) > 2. On a local Linux server running sendmail and dovecot (how I receive "real > mail") >

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/15/2014 08:35 AM, Gary Algier wrote: > > However, the > mailing list software will use an envelope address from the list so SPF > should not fail. SPF won't fail, but for DMARC purposes, the domain of the Envelope sender that passes SPF will not "align" with the From: domain, so the fact t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-15 Thread Matthew Needham
On May 14, 2014, at 22:47 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull mailto:step...@xemacs.org>> wrote: If distribution lists are pure forwards, MS365 will be OK. But I find it hard to believe that that level of functionality is popular with users -- there's a reason why all popular MLMs implement subject prefixe

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-15 Thread Gary Algier
On 05/15/14 11:15, Larry Finch wrote: On May 15, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Gary Algier wrote: On 05/14/14 23:47, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I then sent an email to the list and to my work sendmail address. It was delivered to both work addresses and the iCloud address. Gmail put it in my Spam fo

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-15 Thread Larry Finch
On May 15, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Gary Algier wrote: > On 05/14/14 23:47, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > I then sent an email to the list and to my work sendmail address. It was > delivered to both work addresses and the iCloud address. > > Gmail put it in my Spam folder with the warning: >

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-15 Thread Gary Algier
On 05/14/14 23:47, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Peter Shute writes: > When MS365 forwards the mails sent to the distribution list, should > that make the DMARC authentication fail? I thought that only > happened if you made changes like adding a prefix to the subject > line like Mailman do

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-15 Thread Larry Finch
On May 14, 2014, at 11:47 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Peter Shute writes: > >> When MS365 forwards the mails sent to the distribution list, should >> that make the DMARC authentication fail? I thought that only >> happened if you made changes like adding a prefix to the subject >> line lik

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-14 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Peter Shute writes: > When MS365 forwards the mails sent to the distribution list, should > that make the DMARC authentication fail? I thought that only > happened if you made changes like adding a prefix to the subject > line like Mailman does. If it forwards verbatim *and* the sending domai

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-14 Thread John Levine
>Actually, From: domains can request reports even if DMARC p=none. It is >unclear what might be done with these reports, but given what some >domains have done with DMARC already, I for one would not be surprised >if this information was used to color the reputation of the sending server. > >Note t

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-14 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry S. Finkel writes: > Is this also true? > > Users from DMARC-reject domains send mail to mailing lists, and the > resulting mail from the mailing list is rejected. Enough > rejections can cause the mailing list possibly to be blacklisted > for sending lots of "spam" mail. The rejecti

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 05/14/2014 01:24 PM, Barry S. Finkel wrote: > > Is this also true? > > Users from DMARC-reject domains send mail to mailing lists, and the > resulting mail from the mailing list is rejected. Enough rejections > can cause the mailing list possibly to be blacklisted for sending lots > of "spam"

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-14 Thread Peter Shute
Gary Algier wrote: > I created a test distribution list here. I created local > contacts that forward to my personal gmail.com and icloud.com > addresses. I added these and my work address to the list. > Email from gmail and icloud works fine, however the author > address ("From:") carries

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-14 Thread Robert Heller
At Wed, 14 May 2014 15:24:32 -0500 "Barry S. Finkel" wrote: > > On 5/14/2014 2:49 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Gary Algier writes: > > > > > I have been following the discussion of the DMARC issues and Mailman's > > > attempts to live with it. I was wondering if anyone has an "Executi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-14 Thread Larry Finch
On May 14, 2014, at 4:24 PM, Barry S. Finkel wrote: > > Is this also true? > > Users from DMARC-reject domains send mail to mailing lists, and the > resulting mail from the mailing list is rejected. Enough rejections > can cause the mailing list possibly to be blacklisted for sending lots > o

Re: [Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-14 Thread Barry S. Finkel
On 5/14/2014 2:49 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Gary Algier writes: > I have been following the discussion of the DMARC issues and Mailman's > attempts to live with it. I was wondering if anyone has an "Executive > Summary" of the DMARC issue in a general sense. How about the following:

[Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-14 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Gary Algier writes: > I have been following the discussion of the DMARC issues and Mailman's > attempts to live with it. I was wondering if anyone has an "Executive > Summary" of the DMARC issue in a general sense. How about the following: DMARC is a set of protocols for Internet mail that

[Mailman-Users] Executive summary of DMARC issues

2014-05-14 Thread Gary Algier
Hello, I have been following the discussion of the DMARC issues and Mailman's attempts to live with it. I was wondering if anyone has an "Executive Summary" of the DMARC issue in a general sense. The information on the wiki talks about the impact on Mailman, but I need a generic explanation